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The bar is getting lowerOff the top of my head
Spezza
Kesler
Gagne
Mike Richards
Brad Richards
Lecavalier
Subban
Parise
The bar is getting lowerOff the top of my head
Spezza
Kesler
Gagne
Mike Richards
Brad Richards
Lecavalier
Subban
Parise
Mummery, Harry 1923 - 17
Prodger, Goldie 1925 - 19
Shields, Al 1938 - 27
Mantha, Georges 1941 - 28
Stanowski, Wally 1951 - 39
Barilko, Bill 1951 - 46
Goldham, Bob 1956 - 41
Thomson, Jimmy/James 1958 - 45
Peirson, Johnny 1958 - 46
Sullivan, Red 1961 - 49
Evans, Jack 1963 - 48
Fontinato, Lou 1963 - 54
Litzenberger, Ed 1964 - 52
Toppazzini, Jerry 1964 - 52
Wharram, Kenny 1969 - 51
Stewart, Ron 1973 - 52
Prentice, Dean 1974 - 52
Bergman, Gary 1976 - 64
Nevin, Bob 1976 - 57
Roberts, Jimmy 1978 - 63
Hull, Dennis 1978 - 64
Neilson, Jim 1979 - 62
McKenny, Jim 1979 - 65
Walton, Mike 1979 - 65
Tallon, Dale 1980 - 70
Harper, Terry 1981 - 62
Burrows, Dave 1981 - 71
Kearns, Dennis 1981 - 71
Murdoch, Bob 1982 - 70
Rautakallio, Pekka 1982 - 79
Turnbull, Ian 1983 - 73
Sargent, Gary 1983 - 75
Korab, Jerry 1985 - 70
Persson, Stefan 1986 - 77
Rogers, Mike 1986 - 79
Russell, Phil 1987 - 72
Gradin, Thomas 1987 - 78
Siltanen, Risto 1987 - 79
Lewis, Dave 1988 - 73
Larouche, Pierre 1988 - 74
McEwen, Mike 1988 - 76
Gustafsson, Bengt-Ake 1989 - 79
Hartsburg, Craig 1989 - 79
Jonsson, Tomas 1989 - 81
Murray, Bob 1990 - 75
O'Connell, Mike 1990 - 77
Picard, Robert 1990 - 77
Reinhart, Paul 1990 - 79
Ruotsalainen, Reijo 1990 - 81
Green, Rick 1991 - 76
MacLean, Paul 1991 - 80
Marois, Mario 1992 - 77
Bullard, Mike 1992 - 80
Sinisalo, Ilkka 1992 - 81
Sundstrom, Patrik 1992 - 82
Erixon, Jan 1993 - 83
Christian, Dave 1994 - 79
Ramage Rob 1994 - 79
Crossman Doug 1994 - 80
Brown, Keith 1995 - 79
Kisio, Kelly 1995 - 82
Beaupre, Don 1997 - 80
Flatley, Patrick 1997 - 83
Leeman, Gary 1997 - 83
Quinn, Dan 1997 - 83
Ridley, Mike 1997 - 85
Driver, Bruce 1998 - 83
Bradley, Brian 1998 - 85
Brown, Jeff 1998 - 85
Samuelsson, Kjell 1998 - 85
Carpenter, Bob 1999 - 71
Babych, Dave 1999 - 80
Lidster, Doug 1999 - 83
Gagner, Dave 1999 - 84
Beukeboom, Jeff 1999 - 86
Carkner, Terry 1999 - 86
Tinordi, Mark 1999 - 87
Rouse, Bob 2000 - 83
Ellett, Dave 2000 - 84
Bodger, Doug 2000 - 84
Galley, Garry 2001 - 84
Gusarov, Alexei 2001 - 90
Mironov, Dmitri 2001 - 91
Patrick, James 2002 - 83
Manson, Dave 2002 - 86
Cote, Sylvain 2003 - 84
Gill, Todd 2003 - 84
Olausson, Fredrik 2003 - 86
Krupp, Uwe 2003 - 86
Lumme, Jyrki 2003 - 88
Johansson, Calle 2004 - 87
Audette, Donald 2004 - 90
Mironov, Boris 2004 - 93
Bure, Valeri 2004 - 94
Jonsson, Kenny 2004 - 94
Ragnarsson, Marcus 2004 - 95
Weinrich, Eric 2006 - 88
Cassels, Andrew 2006 - 89
Odelein, Lyle 2006 - 89
Malakhov Vladimir 2006 - 92
Friesen, Jeff 2007 - 94
Gelinas, Martin 2008 - 88
Rucinsky, Martin 2008 - 91
Stumpel, Jozef 2008 - 91
Klemm, Jon 2008 - 91
Modry, Jaroslav 2008 - 93
Norstrom, Mattias 2008 - 93
Thibault, Jocelyn 2008 - 93
Miller, Aaron 2008 - 93
Nagy, Ladislav 2008 - 99
Hedican, Brett 2009 - 91
Nylander, Michael 2009 - 92
Kozlov, Viktor 2009 - 94
Zednik, Richard 2009 - 95
Axelsson, PJ 2009 - 97
Johnsson, Kim 2010 - 99
Modin, Fredrik 2011 - 96
Samsonov, Sergei 2011 - 97
Sykora, Petr 2012 - 95
Roloson, Dwayne 2012 - 96
Kubina, Pavel 2012 - 97
Morrison, Brendan 2012 - 97
McDonald, Andy 2013 - 00
Aucoin, Adrian 2013 - 94
Langenbrunner, Jamie 2013 - 94
Sullivan, Steve 2013 - 95
Redden, Wade 2013 - 96
Kuba, Filip 2013 - 98
Morris, Derek 2014 - 97
Salo, Sami 2014 - 98
Visnovsky, Lubomir 2015 - 00
Cole, Erik 2015 - 01
Heatley, Dany 2015 - 01
Hiller, Jonas 2015 - 07
Timonen, Kimmo 2015 - 98
Brewer, Eric 2015 - 98
Regehr, Robyn 2015 - 99
Morrow, Brenden 2015 - 99
Robidas, Stephane 2015 - 99
Jackman, Barret 2016 - 01
Ehrhoff, Christian 2016 - 03
Michalek, Milan 2016 - 03
Boyes, Brad 2016 - 05
Mitchell, Willie 2016 - 99
You don't believe Chara is a HHOF?Vincent Lecavalier
Chara
Patrick Sharp
Mark Giordano
Phill Kessel
Patrick Elias
Jagr (will be HOF though)
Kesler
Krejci
Vincent Lecavalier
Chara
Patrick Sharp
Mark Giordano
Phill Kessel
Patrick Elias
Jagr (will be HOF though)
Kesler
Krejci
You don't believe Chara is a HHOF?
...You think Chara is the most egregious name on that list?!?!?
I'm assuming Jagr was put on there in error. Obviously he's several tiers above Hall of Very Good. Maybe another name was supposed to be there....You think Chara is the most egregious name on that list?!?!?
Well I hope that’s not the case. Cuz he needs to be inducted he was the first Russian to come when the iron curtain started to fall he was the first player to play in the NHL born & trained in Russia, their were 4 in the 89/90 season mogilny, makarov, Krutov & larionov. The year after 90/91 was when fedorov, kasatonov & fetisov entered the league. 4 of them larionov, fedorov, makarov, & fetisov are in the hall of fame. Krutov & mogilny deserve to be as well mogilny has a cup ring in 2000 he has some hardware a lady byng trophy in 03, & was a two time all star at left wing, Krutov belongs in not just for the 2 seasons he played in the NHL but what he did in the Soviet leagues, luckily next year theirs only one first ballot guy in lundqvist I don’t see zetterberg joining him, I think he doesn’t get the call to the hall of fame until 2025 when datsyuk is eligible, that class will be datsyuk, zetterberg, Getzlaf & someone else.Moginly has been eligible for 13 years and there was nothing pressing saying that he would be inducted this year. The war wasn't a factor.
Right now I think suter is the best veteran to not win a norris or lady byng.For current players its Vladimir Tarasenko at forward and Ryan Suter on the back end and BOB in net I guess but it might turn out to be Demko, Gibson or Markstrom maybe?
I don't see Mogilny getting in. Hall of Fame talent for sure, but never really had a hall of fame career. Sub-500 goals, just over 1,000 points, sub par playoff stats, etc. He finished 18 in Hart voting one year and 34th in Selke voting another year.....that's it in terms of award voting his entire career (other than Lady Byng and no one is getting HOF consideration of Lady Byng trophies). I wouldn't lean too heavily on his cup win either as he was clearly just a passenger that year.Well I hope that’s not the case. Cuz he needs to be inducted he was the first Russian to come when the iron curtain started to fall he was the first player to play in the NHL born & trained in Russia, their were 4 in the 89/90 season mogilny, makarov, Krutov & larionov. The year after 90/91 was when fedorov, kasatonov & fetisov entered the league. 4 of them larionov, fedorov, makarov, & fetisov are in the hall of fame. Krutov & mogilny deserve to be as well mogilny has a cup ring in 2000 he has some hardware a lady byng trophy in 03, & was a two time all star at left wing, Krutov belongs in not just for the 2 seasons he played in the NHL but what he did in the Soviet leagues, luckily next year theirs only one first ballot guy in lundqvist I don’t see zetterberg joining him, I think he doesn’t get the call to the hall of fame until 2025 when datsyuk is eligible, that class will be datsyuk, zetterberg, Getzlaf & someone else.
I don't see Mogilny getting in. Hall of Fame talent for sure, but never really had a hall of fame career. Sub-500 goals, just over 1,000 points, sub par playoff stats, etc. He finished 18 in Hart voting one year and 34th in Selke voting another year.....that's it in terms of award voting his entire career (other than Lady Byng and no one is getting HOF consideration of Lady Byng trophies). I wouldn't lean too heavily on his cup win either as he was clearly just a passenger that year.
Just stop right there please, Claude was a good complimentary post season guy some seasons but it would be extremely difficult to even give him a top 100 of all time post season best overall....among forwards never mind among all players in the history of the sport.Unsure if mentioned. I believe Claude Lemieux deserves a HHOVG nomination. Yeah he wasn't spectacular in the regular season. But his postseason accolades were excellent.
I didn't say there weren't HHOVG players ahead of him. But he is a guy that can't be 100% dismissed.Just stop right there please, Claude was a good complimentary post season guy some seasons but it would be extremely difficult to even give him a top 100 of all time post season best overall....among forwards never mind among all players in the history of the sport.
There are many more players who are ahead of him in the HHOVG to be sure.
Fair enough but I guess it comes down to how many players are in the HHOVG is it an equal amount as say the HHOF or is it a pyrmaid with tiers and the HHOF is at the top and the tiers become much larger as one goes down the Pyramid?I didn't say there weren't HHOVG players ahead of him. But he is a guy that can't be 100% dismissed.
He is a bubble guy. I think his antics hurt him. I do believe more support would be had if it weren't for the Draper incident. Or, sometimes turtling. I think in the 89 Finals, his own coach didn't want the trainer to attend to him.Fair enough but I guess it comes down to how many players are in the HHOVG is it an equal amount as say the HHOF or is it a pyrmaid with tiers and the HHOF is at the top and the tiers become much larger as one goes down the Pyramid?
But just to keep it simple and let's say there are right now around 150 HHOF players since expansion (or whatever the actual number is) if the HHOVG is the same number I doubt Claude would be in serious contention but if it's double (in this example 300 players) maybe?
But on the surface even then he might be a bubble guy.
I almost want to jump into the discussion as I’ve never been involved in a debate about whether someone deserves consideration to the hall of very good…but I just don’t think I can go that far.He is a bubble guy. I think his antics hurt him. I do believe more support would be had if it weren't for the Draper incident. Or, sometimes turtling. I think in the 89 Finals, his own coach didn't want the trainer to attend to him.