Prospect Info: NHL Entry Draft Discussion Thread - First Round Tuesday October 6th

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One thing to gear up for every year is the big debate on the board regarding who was picked vs. who we left on the board. Without looking things up, this is what I can remember:

2008: Most were happy we moved up for Schenn who was seen as a franchise piece, but there were some quite upset we didn't take Filatov for a much needed injection of young skill into the organization.

2009: I think most were happy with Kadri, but I do remember some wanting Cowan, which would have given us a young twin towers on the backend.

2010: Oh dear. I guess we were all unanimously mad at Burke.

2011: Having such late picks, it was kind of everywhere and I don't quite remember much. I think most thought Percy was a smart pick. I remember some sadness regarding not drafting Saad. I can only imagine how many people here are hoping for a (more successful) Biggs type pick this year....

2012: This one is also tough to remember, I think Rielly was a bit of a surprise but people were happy, though there were a lot of Grigorenko and Forsberg supporters, like me.

2013: This was also late and after losing out on Mantha, I think people were meh overall with whoever was left at that point, though I do remember some disappointed to see us not take the falling Shinkaruk.

2014: This was skill vs. will. Nylander vs. Ritchie. Fairly divided board, lots of arguing, and also with some saying that in going with skill, Ehlers should have been the pick.

2015: A lot were happy with Marner, though the Marner vs. Hanifin debate was big, with a few Provorov, Werenski and Barzal supporters sprinkled in.

2016: I mean other than a few trolls saying it should have been Laine, pretty unanimous and happy board.

2017: This one was a big surprise for me. The board was pretty unanimously happy, and I guess because Liljegren was talked about as a top 2 pick for so long, even the detractors to his type of player agreed you can't go wrong having him slip that far. I was still surprised how civil this board was after that pick.

2018: This is where the Dubas debating really came in. I remember lots of people upset about the trade down and the Soo familiarity, with plenty loving Bokk. Also, I was one of those who wanted Veleno who was still on the board. But there were a lot of candidates for this draft so the board was all over the place.

2019: Bonus, we will do the second round here! A lot of Robertson vs. Leason fighting. Leason looked to have a very rough year statistically this year....


I feel like our board has never been so divided (we are kind of like the US). That combined with a pick right in the middle of the first round, oh I think there is gonna be some fighting this year. Good luck mods! The only way I see it not happening is if someone really drops and we nab him (ala Liljegren in 2017). Otherwise oh boy....

My draft evaluation has evolved over the years, and I would probably argue with myself depending on the time period. 2020 me probably would argue with 2015 me... And we would both laugh at 2010 me :laugh:

Definitely think I am getting better over time though.
 

Byron Bitz

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If Pietrangelo signing with us was in the bag I’d consider it, but it would be a shame to trade Nylander to a division rival just to make room for a Tanev or Goudas overpayment
I don’t want a team in our division to have Eichel, Nylander, Dahlin, Skinner, Reinhardt, Cozens...it’s hard enough competing with Boston and Tampa
 

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Meh. I meant that he's older than most of the guys in this draft and said he's older than the guys he plays against. Either way it's not gonna change my opinion that he's not an overly impressive prospect.
I do not wish to change your opinion. I wish to set the record straight. He is NOT older than the players he plays against. It is fair to say that he is older than the players he is playing against in his draft year, but that is not the same as being older than those he plays against. Those two things are not the same no matter how often that statement is repeated.
 

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One thing to gear up for every year is the big debate on the board regarding who was picked vs. who we left on the board. Without looking things up, this is what I can remember:

2008: Most were happy we moved up for Schenn who was seen as a franchise piece, but there were some quite upset we didn't take Filatov for a much needed injection of young skill into the organization.

2009: I think most were happy with Kadri, but I do remember some wanting Cowan, which would have given us a young twin towers on the backend.

2010: Oh dear. I guess we were all unanimously mad at Burke.

2011: Having such late picks, it was kind of everywhere and I don't quite remember much. I think most thought Percy was a smart pick. I remember some sadness regarding not drafting Saad. I can only imagine how many people here are hoping for a (more successful) Biggs type pick this year....

2012: This one is also tough to remember, I think Rielly was a bit of a surprise but people were happy, though there were a lot of Grigorenko and Forsberg supporters, like me.

2013: This was also late and after losing out on Mantha, I think people were meh overall with whoever was left at that point, though I do remember some disappointed to see us not take the falling Shinkaruk.

2014: This was skill vs. will. Nylander vs. Ritchie. Fairly divided board, lots of arguing, and also with some saying that in going with skill, Ehlers should have been the pick.

2015: A lot were happy with Marner, though the Marner vs. Hanifin debate was big, with a few Provorov, Werenski and Barzal supporters sprinkled in.

2016: I mean other than a few trolls saying it should have been Laine, pretty unanimous and happy board.

2017: This one was a big surprise for me. The board was pretty unanimously happy, and I guess because Liljegren was talked about as a top 2 pick for so long, even the detractors to his type of player agreed you can't go wrong having him slip that far. I was still surprised how civil this board was after that pick.

2018: This is where the Dubas debating really came in. I remember lots of people upset about the trade down and the Soo familiarity, with plenty loving Bokk. Also, I was one of those who wanted Veleno who was still on the board. But there were a lot of candidates for this draft so the board was all over the place.

2019: Bonus, we will do the second round here! A lot of Robertson vs. Leason fighting. Leason looked to have a very rough year statistically this year....


I feel like our board has never been so divided (we are kind of like the US). That combined with a pick right in the middle of the first round, oh I think there is gonna be some fighting this year. Good luck mods! The only way I see it not happening is if someone really drops and we nab him (ala Liljegren in 2017). Otherwise oh boy....

Man I remember how mad some people were with the Sandin pick. "VELENO IS RIGHT THERE" "WHY ARENT WE TAKING BOKK" "SOO BIAS". lmao a game into rookie camp everyone stfu.

I had Veleno well ahead of him (12th IIRC) and Sandin at 20 (IIRC) but I also had Akil Thomas and Calen Addison ahead of him too. I was super happy with the pick, just thought Veleno was better lmao. Two guys that definitely shouldn't have dropped so far.

This year some people are gonna be maaaaaaaaaaad when Dubas doesnt take Schneider.
 

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Man I remember how mad some people were with the Sandin pick. "VELENO IS RIGHT THERE" "WHY ARENT WE TAKING BOKK" "SOO BIAS". lmao a game into rookie camp everyone stfu.

I had Veleno well ahead of him (12th IIRC) and Sandin at 20 (IIRC) but I also had Akil Thomas and Calen Addison ahead of him too. I was super happy with the pick, just thought Veleno was better lmao. Two guys that definitely shouldn't have dropped so far.

This year some people are gonna be maaaaaaaaaaad when Dubas doesnt take Schneider.
also I remember people being livid that Dubas was dumb enough to pick a shrimp in Robertson over Brett Leason. I suspect we'll see Dubas make a smart pick, the usual suspects will complain, and Dubas will be proven right because obviously him and a team of professional scouts will do better than a guy just craving a RHD with size
 

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Man I remember how mad some people were with the Sandin pick. "VELENO IS RIGHT THERE" "WHY ARENT WE TAKING BOKK" "SOO BIAS". lmao a game into rookie camp everyone stfu.

I had Veleno well ahead of him (12th IIRC) and Sandin at 20 (IIRC) but I also had Akil Thomas and Calen Addison ahead of him too. I was super happy with the pick, just thought Veleno was better lmao. Two guys that definitely shouldn't have dropped so far.

This year some people are gonna be maaaaaaaaaaad when Dubas doesnt take Schneider.

I liked Sandin despite wanting Veleno more. Figured getting #2 on my board was more good than bad. I was pretty livid we didn't take Addison at 52 I believe it was though.
 
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also I remember people being livid that Dubas was dumb enough to pick a shrimp in Robertson over Brett Leason. I suspect we'll see Dubas make a smart pick, the usual suspects will complain, and Dubas will be proven right because obviously him and a team of professional scouts will do better than a guy just craving a RHD with size
Dubas has a pretty solid two drafts under his belt, but nobody bats 1.000 and the crazies will lose their minds again. He’s taking players based on projections and is doing a good job so far. He may well end up drafting a giant like Schneider or Guhle or Grans or Wallinder, but who knows if/when that would ever get people to chill out a bit and trust their decision making process
 

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I agree on Lafreniere, I do think he will end up better than Nylander, but I'm not overly enamored with him as a 1st overall pick. Think he's more Hall, Hischier, Ekblad than MacKinnon, McDavid, Matthews. The package he brings is great as it is now, but he's had an NHL frame from a couple seasons now so less projectable. He's really been a man amongst boys in the Q. I think he will be a good 5 tool first line winger. Which is a very good player to have, but not a franchise level talent.

I disagree with you on what follows, I feel the top 10 and a little after is as strong as we've seen the past few years, and there are good players I really like until the middle of the 3rd round. I feel there will be a lot of top 6 forwards and star forwards from this draft.

draft eligible players are compared to the top of the draft class, and when the draft class is weak, they can either all look good, or all look bad as a result.
the players in the league dictate how good/bad the draft players look, and right now, there is a lack of high end talent
 
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Typically, the board is mad when someone drops to our spot and we pick someone ranked lower or trade down. That's the case with Cowen, Forsberg, Konecny, Bokk, Veleno.

Everyone would be ecstatic if someone drops and we pick the guy (Nylander, Liljegren).

And if no one drops, it'd be hard to entice another team to trade up. So with all the wish to trade down, if Holtz/Lundell/Quinn/Jarvis drops to 15, do you still want to trade down?
 

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I just saw Marek said that belief is right now that internally Ottawa is thinking two of Quinn, Askarov, and Sanderson for picks 3&5.

I would be absolutely furious if I was a Sens fan.....

Wow! I can imagine Askarov and perhaps Sanderson, but definitely not Quinn in top 5.
 
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I know @TheMadHatTrick would take Sanderson that early (I wouldn't take him ahead of Drysdale personally), and Askarov wouldn't be a bad pick there either, but Quinn? Yuck.
I do like me some Sanderson. Drysdale is very good though. I think he has more offensive upside, and I'm usually a big offensive D guy, but something about the subtle art of Sanderson's defense and the Leafs inability to stop opponents effectively and consistently has me enamoured. I feel like if he were a right D, people would be salivating over him.

Ottawa should take Drysdale and Byfield though. It's a no brainer. Askarov I could justify though. He could be special.
 

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I do like me some Sanderson. Drysdale is very good though. I think he has more offensive upside, and I'm usually a big offensive D guy, but something about the subtle art of Sanderson's defense and the Leafs inability to stop opponents effectively and consistently has me enamoured. I feel like if he were a right D, people would be salivating over him.

Ottawa should take Drysdale and Byfield though. It's a no brainer. Askarov I could justify though. He could be special.

I think Kings take Byfield though... leaving #3 as Stutzle for the consensus... what they actually do....
 

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I do like me some Sanderson. Drysdale is very good though. I think he has more offensive upside, and I'm usually a big offensive D guy, but something about the subtle art of Sanderson's defense and the Leafs inability to stop opponents effectively and consistently has me enamoured. I feel like if he were a right D, people would be salivating over him.

Ottawa should take Drysdale and Byfield though. It's a no brainer. Askarov I could justify though. He could be special.

Yeah I love Sanderson too. I think he could be the best defenseman in the draft- very Slavin like qualities. I just love Drysdale though, everything I look for in a defenseman.
 

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Man I remember how mad some people were with the Sandin pick. "VELENO IS RIGHT THERE" "WHY ARENT WE TAKING BOKK" "SOO BIAS". lmao a game into rookie camp everyone stfu.

I had Veleno well ahead of him (12th IIRC) and Sandin at 20 (IIRC) but I also had Akil Thomas and Calen Addison ahead of him too. I was super happy with the pick, just thought Veleno was better lmao. Two guys that definitely shouldn't have dropped so far.

This year some people are gonna be maaaaaaaaaaad when Dubas doesnt take Schneider.

I liked Sandin despite wanting Veleno more. Figured getting #2 on my board was more good than bad. I was pretty livid we didn't take Addison at 52 I believe it was though.

2018 was actually pretty fun and it feels similar to this year for me in terms of if no one drops, I am pretty open minded to a bunch of selections. I remember at 25 being fine with a bunch of people and I had it down to one of Dellandrea, Kupari, Lundestrom, McLeod, Thomas, Addison, Tychonik or Bernard-Docker. Didn't expect Veleno to fall but once he did he became top of my list. I also had quite the interest in Jake Wise and Jack McBain but knew #25 was a bit early. Was really into the centres as you could see by my list, as pre-Tavares I was really hoping for a future 2LC behind Matthews. But again, BPA is the way to go.
 
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Typically, the board is mad when someone drops to our spot and we pick someone ranked lower or trade down. That's the case with Cowen, Forsberg, Konecny, Bokk, Veleno.

Everyone would be ecstatic if someone drops and we pick the guy (Nylander, Liljegren).

And if no one drops, it'd be hard to entice another team to trade up. So with all the wish to trade down, if Holtz/Lundell/Quinn/Jarvis drops to 15, do you still want to trade down?
I would take Jarvis without hesitation and see how badly other teams want the other three if Jarvis is gone. If other teams cannot offer what I want, then I would be happy with any of them. The absolute last thing I would do is draft for need...that is what the much later rounds are for.
 

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Judas Tavares, post: 173767723, member: 49384"]One thing to gear up for every year is the big debate on the board regarding who was picked vs. who we left on the board. Without looking things up, this is what I can remember:

2008: Most were happy we moved up for Schenn who was seen as a franchise piece, but there were some quite upset we didn't take Filatov for a much needed injection of young skill into the organization.
I don't remember the Schenn love because of the zero offense. Filatov and Hodgson were the two favorites IIRC. As it turned out Schenn was not the bust that pick might have been.

2009: I think most were happy with Kadri, but I do remember some wanting Cowan, which would have given us a young twin towers on the backend.
Again I don't recall the pick being popular. Too small and an older player.. MPS and even Kassian were talked about. Everyone was hoping for Brayden Schenn. "Unite the brothers" :laugh:

2010: Oh dear. I guess we were all unanimously mad at Burke.

2011: Having such late picks, it was kind of everywhere and I don't quite remember much. I think most thought Percy was a smart pick. I remember some sadness regarding not drafting Saad. I can only imagine how many people here are hoping for a (more successful) Biggs type pick this year....
I remember Puempel, Saad and Jenner were popular

2012: This one is also tough to remember, I think Rielly was a bit of a surprise but people were happy, though there were a lot of Grigorenko and Forsberg supporters, like me.
The blown knee pick disappointed a lot of us. Grigs was popular early and then his stock started to crash. I think Forsberg was the bigger hope as we had Grabo and Boz as our top 2 centers.

2013:
This was also late and after losing out on Mantha, I think people were meh overall with whoever was left at that point, though I do remember some disappointed to see us not take the falling Shinkaruk. He would have been the more popular pick by a mile but a worse mistake than Gauthier. It just wasn't a very good year.

2014: This was skill vs. will. Nylander vs. Ritchie. Fairly divided board, lots of arguing, and also with some saying that in going with skill, Ehlers should have been the pick.
Not an unpopular pick given the favorites kind of all went by #5

2015:
A lot were happy with Marner, though the Marner vs. Hanifin debate was big, with a few Provorov, Werenski and Barzal supporters sprinkled in.
:thumbu:
2016: I mean other than a few trolls saying it should have been Laine, pretty unanimous and happy board.
:thumbu:
2017: This one was a big surprise for me. The board was pretty unanimously happy, and I guess because Liljegren was talked about as a top 2 pick for so long, even the detractors to his type of player agreed you can't go wrong having him slip that far. I was still surprised how civil this board was after that pick.:thumbu: Not a crazy faller at the draft though, I think he was expected to go around 14.

2018: This is where the Dubas debating really came in. I remember lots of people upset about the trade down and the Soo familiarity, with plenty loving Bokk. Also, I was one of those who wanted Veleno who was still on the board. But there were a lot of candidates for this draft so the board was all over the place.
I think I wanted Veleno but unlike other years there wasn't several popular players they overlooked. You can only be so upset over an overlooked forward when you have a group like the Leafs have.

2019: Bonus, we will do the second round here! A lot of Robertson vs. Leason fighting. Leason looked to have a very rough year statistically this year....
D +1 players are a huge gamble and Leason reinforces that. I think if you look at 90% of the published lists you take Robertson there. Easy choice.

I feel like our board has never been so divided (we are kind of like the US). That combined with a pick right in the middle of the first round, oh I think there is gonna be some fighting this year. Good luck mods! The only way I see it not happening is if someone really drops and we nab him (ala Liljegren in 2017). Otherwise oh boy....I think a couple of players not necessarily expected to be around at 15 may be there. What makes this more interesting is that if some other club has that player even higher, they could still trade down for the right return.

This board will always bias towards scorers because that is how most people interpret "BPA".
 
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I just saw Marek said that belief is right now that internally Ottawa is thinking two of Quinn, Askarov, and Sanderson for picks 3&5.

I would be absolutely furious if I was a Sens fan.....
Man if Sens take any of Quinn or Askarov with those picks, man thats not good. Even though I believe Askarov is the real deal, he shouldn't going top 5. Selecting Quinn is borderline embarassing in those spots. Sanderson is okay but there are better available. It's fine though, choose off the board and a great player falls to us.
 
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I would take Jarvis without hesitation and see how badly other teams want the other three if Jarvis is gone. If other teams cannot offer what I want, then I would be happy with any of them. The absolute last thing I would do is draft for need...that is what the much later rounds are for.
Thank you, at least you and a few others are sensible about this.
 

stickty111

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2018 was actually pretty fun and it feels similar to this year for me in terms of if no one drops, I am pretty open minded to a bunch of selections. I remember at 25 being fine with a bunch of people and I had it down to one of Dellandrea, Kupari, Lundestrom, McLeod, Thomas, Addison, Tychonik or Bernard-Docker. Didn't expect Veleno to fall but once he did he became top of my list. I also had quite the interest in Jake Wise and Jack McBain but knew #25 was a bit early. Was really into the centres as you could see by my list, as pre-Tavares I was really hoping for a future 2LC behind Matthews. But again, BPA is the way to go.
I will admit I didn't want Sandin but great to be wrong there now. What I still can't believe is how did Dubas pass on Calen Addison after everything we know about Dubas. Still surprised he took Durzi. Now it got us Muzzin so it worked out but still.
 
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