GDT: NHL Entry Draft | Day 2

[Tryamkin]

I personally would have gone for more homerun swings, but at least they got 1 player like Lockhart.

Bad analogy but it feels better having Lotto Max tickets in your pocket rather than a bunch of half cleared 'promising' scratch and wins.

I do understand though that there are players on the other side of the spectrum that have a great d-2 season and that regress in their d-1 and onward. A guy like Raty would have been a top draft pick this year for example.

Raty was just plain bad this year with plenty of opportunity given to him. I think we did take a fair few home run swings.

 

[WishfulThinker]

Raty was just plain bad this year with plenty of opportunity given to him. I think we did take a fair few home run swings.

Yup. I wasn't using him as an example of a player I would have picked. Opposite really. He is a case of why picking OHL players who didn't get to play this year would be risky as well.

 

[clay]

Surprised Peter Reynolds went undrafted. Could be a guy worth looking at signing.

 

[kcunac]

Would have liked to see Jack Bar and Oscar Plandowski (both 2-way RD) as our picks in the 5th. Both went shortly after we picked.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

Seeing Cole Jordan go 1 pick after us to Calgary was painful. That said I really liked the Klimovich (would've taken Stank personally), Lockhart, Forsell, and Koskenvuo picks.

Would've been nice to have a 3rd/4th with some of the silliness that happened, but I'm happy with what they did with the picks they had.

 

[Bubbles]

And now our USHL/College drafting sucks. Gee, I wonder why?

Considering we got Lockwood, Madden, Gaudette, Rathbone from the lower rounds to play actual NHL games.

When's the last time a later rounds Euro played NHL games for the Canucks?

 

[tiny103]

So how does our prospect list shake out now with these new kids?

 

[Bubbles]

Lockhart drafted 3rd overall in the OHL entry draft. Is this particularly good? Do high CHL drafting usually pan out in the NHL or are they not really that big to look into?

Not really an indicator. Yann Sauve was a no. 1 pick in the Q in 2006.

 

[Gstank]

And now our USHL/College drafting sucks. Gee, I wonder why?

Considering we got Lockwood, Madden, Gaudette, Rathbone from the lower rounds to play actual NHL games.

When's the last time a later rounds Euro played NHL games for the Canucks?

Based on what? 1 draft where the USHL was the only league in NA playing?

 

[Bubbles]

Based on what? 1 draft where the USHL was the only league in NA playing?

They didn't draft any US based player this draft.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Notice how the USA guys are drying up now Brackett is in Minni?

 

[Gstank]

Notice how the USA guys are drying up now Brackett is in Minni?

We literally took two guys last draft. IDK how anyone considers 1 year of no USHL guys drying up solely because of Brackett. Also Brackett was our US East scout and had a big seat at the table of course there would be more US picks when your top scout operates in that region .......

 

[Gstank]

Minny went with 4 WHL picks this year. So does that mean Brackett has no say since his region is US/US east? Thats just flawed logic

 

[m9]

So how does our prospect list shake out now with these new kids?

I rank prospects based on asset value, and the only guys I have with value above a 3rd rounder are:

Podkolzin - mid 1st
Rathbone - late 1st
DiPietro - 2nd
Klimovich - 2nd

I guess Woo (3rd) would be next to round out the top 5.

 

[bandwagonesque]

And now our USHL/College drafting sucks. Gee, I wonder why?

Considering we got Lockwood, Madden, Gaudette, Rathbone from the lower rounds to play actual NHL games.

When's the last time a later rounds Euro played NHL games for the Canucks?

Considering that most late round picks never make the league and are drafted out of places other than Europe, do you really think this would be indicative of anything?

 

[Brock]

Not sure if it was already posted or not (you guys are always huge supporters of my work), but some more info on Lockhart:

OHL Prospects: My Final Top 50 OHL Players for the 2021 NHL Entry Draft - Part 3: 30-11

OHL Prospects: Final Media/Scout Poll for the 2021 NHL Draft

Additionally, for McKeen's subscribers (includes video breakdowns): Subscribe

 

[timw33]

you were implying it was a bad strategy or just being sarcastic?

Gourde Johnson Panarin Krug Marchessault Whitecloud Pionk B.Tanev Ruuta Giordano Bozak Goodrow Dillon A.Greene Iafallo Kampny Vatrano were all undrafted as well as the aforementioned Canuck one's

Is that your criteria for a good free agent signing...that assets must be recovered before they part the organization? Stecher had a journeyman year and nothing close to fantastic. Otherwise, Detroit would have protected him or Seattle would have drafted him.

There's nothing wrong with finding undrafted FAs, but when you're signing guys who are already 23/24/25 your chances of finding NHLers is extremely slim. A lot of these success stories are playing 1-2 years of college, coming out at 20/21 and then entering an NHL system.

I think it's better to target younger undrafted UFAs, whether CHL or NCAA, in general, and to not treat 24 year old NCAA UFAs as "free picks" like they could replace the value of picks that were traded away.

Regarding criteria for a good free agent signing, my criticism is solely focused on the value chain dying on the vine. We find a few good players like Stetcher and Tanev, they provide some nice value and turn into an asset for us, and then we let them walk for absolutely nothing and can't carry any value forward. It's a longstanding trend with this organization that has bled them dry.

The fact Tampa has 2 picks before the Canucks have 2 in this draft is unbelievable.

Montreal, in the finals, came into the draft with 10 picks.
Vegas and NYI, both semi-finalists, also had 6 picks, both with higher pick value than Vancouvers.

Really, truly feels bad.

 

[Lindgren]

In the past, did we not have separate threads for each pick, or am I imagining things? Are we running out of interest/enthusiasm as the Benning years wear on?

 

[GetFocht]

Notice how the USA guys are drying up now Brackett is in Minni?

Wow, HFCanucks turning into the new /r/The_Donald

 

[ahmon]

crazy how Pastujov dropped to the 3rd round. Man will be fun to look back in a couple years.

 

[Melvin]

I rank prospects based on asset value, and the only guys I have with value above a 3rd rounder are:

Podkolzin - mid 1st
Rathbone - late 1st
DiPietro - 2nd
Klimovich - 2nd

I guess Woo (3rd) would be next to round out the top 5.

Those all feel high to me.

I would trade Podkolzin for a mid 1st in a heartbeat.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Those all feel high to me.

I would trade Podkolzin for a mid 1st in a heartbeat.

why ?

 

[clay]

In the past, did we not have separate threads for each pick, or am I imagining things? Are we running out of interest/enthusiasm as the Benning years wear on?

Was thinking the same thing.

 

[Melvin]

why ?

Reset the clock. I would give the 15th overall pick in 2022 higher chances of being an impact player for the next great Canucks team than Podkolzin.

 

[lawrence]

I think with Logan mailloux being selected tells me nhl teams might still be interested in virtanen.