GDT: NHL Draft Day 2

[Ola]

But we have done this before and everyone lost their minds, Zuc, Mcdonagh, Hayes, etc all left one way or the other after they rejected our terms. I think if you do it enough players may realize that NY is where most of the league wants to play and its worth something. Having said that, out of those three guys Mcdonagh is the only guy i would maybe consider keeping but that's likely only because he is on a star riddled team and doesn't have to be a #1 there and the return for him and Miller was basically Lunkdvist. I guess what I'm saying is that if you make your pitch and they don't want to stay, don't make a deal you dont like just because you are scared he's gonna leave because a terrible long term high dollar contract is harder to fix than finding another player.

The decision isn’t made by Drury. Jeff Gorton made the decision when he gave Zibanejad that insane 5 year deal making him a UFA at 29. The same was the case with McD, Zucc and Hayes.

You must lock up your talent before they enter their prime with a contract that covers their prime. Renegotiating with a UFA at the tail end of that players prime is the dumbest you can do. That is what we did with Staal and Girardi.

Are we giving Zibanejad a 7 year contract when he is 29?

 

[Vitto79]

So my worry is it took Buch a while to get really good

how long will it take Kakko and Kravtsov ?

will Laf really slide over ?

is the plan to get Martinook or Nosek and run a line w Goodrow and Blais?

 

[DutchShamrock]

Zibanejad has the most leverage against the Rangers. But if he prices it too high it basically forces us to go all in on Jack. Then he is looking for a seat.

 

[haohmaru]

The decision isn’t made by Drury. Jeff Gorton made the decision when he gave Zibanejad that insane 5 year deal making him a UFA at 29. The same was the case with McD, Zucc and Hayes.

You must lock up your talent before they enter their prime with a contract that covers their prime. Renegotiating with a UFA at the tail end of that players prime is the dumbest you can do. That is what we did with Staal and Girardi.

Are we giving Zibanejad a 7 year contract when he is 29?

Revisionist history. When the Rangers signed Zibanejad to that his ceiling was still an unknown - coming off a 37 point season in 56 games with a career high of 51 points in a six year career. People then were wondering if it was too much or if he'd ever figure out how to be a number one center. Turns out, the Rangers got a value contract for a top 10 center and now somebody is going to have to pay him for that. Had he not taken that step everybody would be bitching about what a crappy contract it was.

 

[Vitto79]

Dvorak and Crouse for Chytil , Gauthier , Hajek

 

[haohmaru]

Anyone see that Carp is reporting that Panarin and Shesty were "livid" over Buch trade?

 

[cheech70]

Anyone see that Carp is reporting that Panarin and Shesty were "livid" over Buch trade?

Boo Who.....Shesty can take less on his next contract and we can sign Buch next year

 

[Ola]

Zibanejad has the most leverage against the Rangers. But if he prices it too high it basically forces us to go all in on Jack. Then he is looking for a seat.

Why? If you must have Eichel to win a Cup, why are not any other team in the league bidding for him?

 

[LOFIN]

Anyone see that Carp is reporting that Panarin and Shesty were "livid" over Buch trade?

Such is life. They will get over it.

 

[Lion Hound]

Anyone see that Carp is reporting that Panarin and Shesty were "livid" over Buch trade?

This is never good for a club. Especially for a club that currently doesn’t have a Captain to corral everyone from being pissed at the organization.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Carp is connected to nothing, so there's that

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The decision isn’t made by Drury. Jeff Gorton made the decision when he gave Zibanejad that insane 5 year deal making him a UFA at 29. The same was the case with McD, Zucc and Hayes.

You must lock up your talent before they enter their prime with a contract that covers their prime. Renegotiating with a UFA at the tail end of that players prime is the dumbest you can do. That is what we did with Staal and Girardi.

Are we giving Zibanejad a 7 year contract when he is 29?

I'm not and i think at the time the contract was designed to be cap friendly as we had issues in that area, it likely would have been 7+ for a 8 year deal which looks great now but at the time was an issue.

 

[itsPLkielbasa]

This is never good for a club. Especially for a club that currently doesn’t have a Captain to corral everyone from being pissed at the organization.

It's a business. Am I supposed to quit my job if a buddy of mine changes his field or management moves him somewhere else?

These are grown men. They will get over it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It's Panarins job to score goals and Shesterkins job to stop the puck not manage the team. Professional atheletes are getting out of control, why do they feel they deserve an opinion on completing a roster?

 

[Jim Ramsay]

Anyone see that Carp is reporting that Panarin and Shesty were "livid" over Buch trade?

Where did you see this?

 

[Kovalev27]

I’m fairly certain if a deal was there to be made it would have been made by now for Eichel. The Sabres clearly don’t want to trade him to us unless it’s for a ridiculous package. They want him out west

brooks says we’d prefer to resign Mika and I do believe that. The years or the cap hit are going to come down don’t go nuts on that sticker shock it’s not going to be 7 or 8 at 10 mil. If it gets to 7 years I’ll be closer to 8.5 if it’s 10 mil it’ll be more like a 5 or 6 year deal. But won’t be both

 

[LORDE]

Anyone see that Carp is reporting that Panarin and Shesty were "livid" over Buch trade?

Join the club

 

[Kovalev27]

Would be weird if Panarin and Shesterkin were happy about a good friend getting traded.

 

[jay from jersey]

Just my take, but an Eichel decision should have — nothing — to do with Zibanejad. If you avoid one mistake you don’t have to make another.

We haven’t done this in NY before. But I wonder if it’s not time to play hardball.

(a) Put forth a contract offer to Ziba that you are willing to sign, I would draw a line at like 5x8, maybe it should be drawn somewhere else.

(b) Tell him, look, we respect you a ton. We honestly do. But we can’t have the drama of a top line center on an expiring contract this year. There have been enough drama for this franchise, for the young players that will be the corner stone of it, for a life time the last few years. If you don’t accept this contract offer we will not play you. Give us a list of teams you can accept a trade to, and we will deal you to one of those teams.

(c) If Ziba can be traded, do — not — for the love of god trade for Eichel. Use those assets to get someone like Gourde. We definitely have enough “scorers” in this organization as it is assuming the kids will pan out plus Panarin.

I like the idea but that’s not going to work. It will be the same situation as kreider where he either takes a little less cap hit for 7-8 years, or you pay him full value and hope he takes 5-6. Don’t really think there’s too much middle ground. This is his retirement deal and him and his brother know that he’s been playing beyond the value of his current deal for at least 3 years already.
I also think the sole hold up in the Eichel deal right now is they want to trade him out west, more importantly not to another NY team. I think Adams is having a tough time with other teams competing with the package the rangers offered so far.

 

[Tob]

Carp is connected to nothing, so there's that

Plus he's the most dramatic 70 year old I've ever seen

 

[Rongomania]

So the Makar contract means fox is worth 10 mil per?

 

[Graves94]

I know they're not hockey experts, but the Bleacher Report gave us a B+ on our draft...

 

[Ola]

Revisionist history. When the Rangers signed Zibanejad to that his ceiling was still an unknown - coming off a 37 point season in 56 games with a career high of 51 points in a six year career. People then were wondering if it was too much or if he'd ever figure out how to be a number one center. Turns out, the Rangers got a value contract for a top 10 center and now somebody is going to have to pay him for that. Had he not taken that step everybody would be bitching about what a crappy contract it was.

It’s the GMs job to evaluate which players will be good to lock-up long term. Gorton thought 3 guys earned long-term deals, Girardi, Staal and Kreider. If a GM can’t judge if a player is worth investing in after having him in the organization for 2-3 years he should have a job.

Meanwhile, he signed a bunch of bridge deals that turned out to be disasters. Buch wanted a long term deal two years ago. Was he even a 4m player? How much is he worth today with 3 years left at 4-5m? That is a lot of assets thrown away.

This isn’t revisionist history, it’s indisputable facts. Something was very flawed with Gorton’s approach, and Drury shouldn’t be blamed for it. Staal, Girardi and Kreider got the long term deals.

If you only sign kids to bridge deals they will always get paid what they are worth and you will never have someone on a good contract.

 

[Kovalev27]

We ended up having to move too many guys in the middle of their primes because of the way Gorton handed out bridge contracts and got little in return. Frankly if not for 2 lottery wins lord knows where this rebuild would be.

 

[Matz03]

I don’t mind this draft overall, they clearly went for bottom of the lineup depth with some picks but that’s ok. Ryder and Vaisanen have some offensive upside, while Grubbe and Chmelar are more defensive players. Lamb being the scoring winger of the group. I really like adding a player like Othman to this pool, probably would’ve gone the goalie route though.