GDT: NHL Draft Combine: June 4-10, Buffalo

[Gustave]

Old people yelling at clouds take: I despise "articles" that seem to present a fact, but end the title with a goddamn question mark.

 

[Pazucha]

 

[Sterling Archer]

Leonard wouldn’t even be the Habs best prospect.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

There is obviously some truth to that, but at the same time many of them made these connections from playing the game together. If they didn't play together then it is from being at the rink together to watch games/practices etc as opposed from knowing each other from a message board where virtually all of the "scouting" is done from a couch, primarily be people who have never played the game past house league or in many cases never at all. Obviously one pool would just naturally be far more qualified than the other.

Are there some incompetent NHL scouts? Of course there are. The obvious examples are Button and Bukala and there are also many others past and present but even they would be better than the majority of message board posters posing as scouts. This is not to say that all opinions on these boards are crap because that is not what I believe and I am sure that there is a small number of posters who could be NHL scouts if they had the opportunity/connections/desire to do so.

These boards are equally and in some cases more informed than all of the fake scouting sites such as Dobber/THW/McKeens/Recruits/RLR/EP etc as they are all staffed primarily by typical message board members , deferring to them in any way is just speaking into the mirror yet people do it anyways and it just drives/emboldens often baseless narratives that plague these boards.

You are correct to question decisions made by NHL scouts as they question each other daily and work in a profession where success is less common than failure. Then, take a look at the nonsense that Dobbers and their like put out and realize how far the gap between fake scouts and real scouts actually is.

I see what you're saying, but if that were true, then professional scouts would significantly outperform these people. My point is they don't.

If you are in a room full of scholarly Astrophysicists you will likely run into a few "Astrologists" pointing to their horoscopes lol.

So first NHL scouts were neurosurgeons, now they're scholarly astrophysicists.

 

[Hannibal]

Leonard wouldn’t even be the Habs best prospect.

I beg to differ.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Lafreniere's odds to go 1st overall were so good, you had to spend a thousand dollars on that outcome to make $1.

Anyone trying to use Kakko or Lafreniere picks to disparage a scouting staff is not having an intellectually honest argument.

I'd agree if they weren't put up on a pedestal. However, if they are so much better than everyone else, there's no excuse to miss on "consensus" players, since their job should be to identify when the consensus is incorrect.

 

[Habricot]

In this whole discussion development is definitely being left out as well, in all fairness. Rangers obviously have an atrocious development system, as does LA unfortunately. A lot of great looking prospects who get stuck behind people and forgotten about as far as personal development strategy goes.

Absolutly. I bet you that Lafs in Ottawa would outperform Stutzle in NYR. Drafting is only the top of the iceberg for these kids and how they react to there environment has a lot to do with it.

There was no pressure in Ottawa until Stutzle's 3rd season.

 

[Benstheman]

Would you target Kakko as this year's Dach?

Yep I would like him. But it’s always a manner of price.

 

[Habricot]

Reminds me of Habs playing a raw as heck Slafkovsky when he's clearing not ready....

oOoOOoof

In a situation where he did not have to outperform anyone. I do think this one migth payoff in the long run.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'd agree if they weren't put up on a pedestal. However, if they are so much better than everyone else, there's no excuse to miss on "consensus" players, since their job should be to identify when the consensus is incorrect.

Aren't you punching down on them right now for not considering Michkov?

What if they have identified that the consensus in the public sphere on Michkov is incorrect and that Leonard/Reinbacher are in that tier with Smith? Do you trust that to be the case or if they do it, are you going to just be mad they didn't take Michkov?

 

[Mrb1p]

Just takes on dude to derail two threads at the same time, amirite. Its either the Slaf hater or the Bergevin butt licker.

 

[Barriwhite]

Heeeeeey sexy lady, hop, hop hop hop, hopa Babcock style

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Aren't you punching down on them right now for not considering Michkov?

What if they have identified that the consensus in the public sphere on Michkov is incorrect and that Leonard/Reinbacher are in that tier with Smith? Do you trust that to be the case or if they do it, are you going to just be mad they didn't take Michkov?

Then they would be doing their job, albeit in my opinion not well. Only time will tell though.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I'd agree if they weren't put up on a pedestal. However, if they are so much better than everyone else, there's no excuse to miss on "consensus" players, since their job should be to identify when the consensus is incorrect.

Luis Arraez is batting .402 right now for the Miami Marlins. He must be shitty at hitting as he gets out 60% of the time. There's a random HF poster who is batting .750 in co-ed slo-pitch. He could replace Arraez. Looks like Arraez wasted his time all those years playing high-end baseball and working with coaches on his trade. He should have spent more time in his Mom's basement watching YouTube videos of hitting.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Luis Arraez is batting .402 right now for the Miami Marlins. He must be shitty at hitting as he gets out 60% of the time. There's a random HF poster who is batting .750 in co-ed slo-pitch. He could replace Arraez. Looks like Arraez wasted his time all those years playing high-end baseball and working with coaches on his trade. He should have spent more time in his Mom's basement watching YouTube videos of hitting.

You are truly horrendous at making analogies.

First, everyone putting together a scouting list would be facing the same pitches.

Second, we've already established that professional scouts are entirely replaceable with non-professionals (see: Vancouver in the 2000s and Montreal in the 2010s)

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[WeThreeKings]

WOW

Excellent coverage!

the Habs social media team does it again, I can't believe the access and coverage and information we've got from the combine.

What a f***ing fail.

 

[calder candidate]

Considering that basically none of the top prospect dominate these events why haven't they been able to figure out event with better corrolation to hockey performance or have any event on ice to mesure actual on ice performance. Also most of these event we have very little fame of refences it isn't like the 40 yard dash (where most people know that 4.2x is very good) getting the top 10 is good but it would be even better to see where they rank as a percentile vs. previous years.
NHL does a awful job of marketing these events, the players and the sport in general...

 

[habsterr]

Would you target Kakko as this year's Dach?

Not a bad choice, but my #1 player for a Dach type trade would be Byfield. Does BagainBin still want Dvorak back haha?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I see what you're saying, but if that were true, then professional scouts would significantly outperform these people. My point is they don't.


So first NHL scouts were neurosurgeons, now they're scholarly astrophysicists.

I think the issue that we are having is not with hockey but rather with processing abstract thought. You are using linear/literal interpretations, absolutes and circular reasoning which are commonly recognized in a debate as hallmarks of a losing argument.

If you don't want to deal with the truth that is your choice but I choose not to go any further down your rabbit hole.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I think the issue that we are having is not with hockey but rather with processing abstract thought. You are using linear/literal interpretations, absolutes and circular reasoning which are commonly recognized in a debate as hallmarks of a losing argument.

If you don't want to deal with the truth that is your choice but I choose not to go any further down your rabbit hole.

No offense, but you haven't followed a single argument I've made. Your issue is making unreasonable comparisons of knowledge gaps between professionals and the general public that simply are not there. The idea that professional scouts outperform the general public is patently untrue. To compare them to professions which require a high degree of knowledge and education is laughable.

We've already established that an entire professional scouting department would be outperformed by simply selecting the highest PPG average of a subset of players over a significant period of time.

The equivalent to that would be more like a neurosurgeon being outperformed by someone prescribing Tylenol and chicken noodle soup to any sick patient who walked in.

 

[Mrb1p]

Luis Arraez is batting .402 right now for the Miami Marlins. He must be shitty at hitting as he gets out 60% of the time. There's a random HF poster who is batting .750 in co-ed slo-pitch. He could replace Arraez. Looks like Arraez wasted his time all those years playing high-end baseball and working with coaches on his trade. He should have spent more time in his Mom's basement watching YouTube videos of hithittingt

thats not how you build an analogy... jesus.

The more time passes the more I feel I can get behind Leonard as the pick at 5, however I'd much rather Smith.

A line of Slaf-Dach-Leonard tho is just a nightmare to deal with.

Leonard would be perfect for CC and Suzuki, the only problem is theyre all RHS.

Considering that basically none of the top prospect dominate these events why haven't they been able to figure out event with better corrolation to hockey performance or have any event on ice to mesure actual on ice performance. Also most of these event we have very little fame of refences it isn't like the 40 yard dash (where most people know that 4.2x is very good) getting the top 10 is good but it would be even better to see where they rank as a percentile vs. previous years.
NHL does a awful job of marketing these events, the players and the sport in general...

4.2x is more than very good its like 1% territory. I was an high level athlete and the best 40 yard dash I ever saw was 4.34, my best one was 4.64 and Id say I would burn through 999 person out of 1000.

Anyway, little nitpick and a good opportunity to plug that I once ran a 4.64, lmao!

Whats stopping them from having on ice events though? Like the Kubota.

Have them do a 40 yard dash on ice, a weave agility, a shooting speed, etc.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

thats not how you build an analogy... jesus.

I think the issue that we are having is not with hockey but rather with processing abstract thought. You are using linear/literal interpretations, absolutes and circular reasoning which are commonly recognized in a debate as hallmarks of a losing argument.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

No offense, but you haven't followed a single argument I've made. Your issue is making unreasonable comparisons of knowledge gaps between professionals and the general public that simply are not there. The idea that professional scouts outperform the general public is patently untrue. To compare them to professions which require a high degree of knowledge and education is laughable.

We've already established that an entire professional scouting department would be outperformed by simply selecting the highest PPG average of a subset of players over a significant period of time.

The equivalent to that would be more like a neurosurgeon being outperformed by someone prescribing Tylenol and chicken noodle soup to any sick patient who walked in.

You are quite literally inventing nonsense and presenting it as fact, just stop. Dumais at 1st overall last year lol.

Welcome to my IL

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

You are quite literally inventing nonsense and presenting it as fact, just stop. Dumais at 1st overall last year lol.

Welcome to my IL

We think the Vancouver Canucks may have a scouting problem(!!!!)

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Huh, look at that. It was actually by points in the CHL rather than points per game, but point still stands.