GDT: NHL Draft Combine: June 4-10, Buffalo

[Goldenhands]

Indeed. Lafreniere was #1 on everyone's list. It's so hypocritical for anyone to fault the Rangers for making that pick. And to call him a bust at age 21 is plain silly just as it is to call Kakko or Chytil busts.

I think you can criticize the Lafreniere pick only if you had someone else at 1st OV, otherwise thats simply hypocritical and as far as I know, almost everybody had him firmly ranked 1st. The only one I know who didnt is the snake Boisvert, thought Stutzle would become a better player and so far it looks like he was right on this one.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Lol congratulation, i’m sure it was easy for you to choose Stutzle 1st overall while watching the draft on your couch.

I didn't say I was one of them. I had him 2nd, and was also wrong on Lafreniere.

Yes because it's all about the order in an excel document. Nothing to do with a lifetime of analysis.

Do you really think their success rate is equal to HF Forum posters? That's rather obtuse.

You seem to be missing the first part of what I said, which is about a professional scouting department being outperformed by sorting an excel document.

And yes, I do. How many posters on these boards do you think would have done worse than the Habs throughout the 2010s?

 

[Mrb1p]

Good ol' scoutin butt lickers.

People in the high up of hockey arent geniuses, theyre jocks that knew someone, or an athlete that didnt go to school, lets stop putting them on a pedestal.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Good ol' scoutin butt lickers.

People in the high up of hockey arent geniuses, theyre jocks that knew someone, or an athlete that didnt go to school, lets stop putting them on a pedestal.

Or neurosurgeons

 

[River Meadow]

lol...

Any GM in the league would have pick Lafreniere in 2020 draft.... Show me one single ranking with Stutzle ranked above him. Easy to say who has the better player have 3 years.

True.

Remember how dominant and good he looked in Junior and WJC?

What a BEAST.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

True.

Remember how dominant and good he looked in Junior and WJC?

What a BEAST.

In this whole discussion development is definitely being left out as well, in all fairness. Rangers obviously have an atrocious development system, as does LA unfortunately. A lot of great looking prospects who get stuck behind people and forgotten about as far as personal development strategy goes.

 

[River Meadow]

In this whole discussion development is definitely being left out as well, in all fairness. Rangers obviously have an atrocious development system, as does LA unfortunately. A lot of great looking prospects who get stuck behind people and forgotten about as far as personal development strategy goes.

Reminds me of Habs playing a raw as heck Slafkovsky when he's clearly not ready....

oOoOOoof

 

[Belial]

Good ol' scoutin butt lickers.

People in the high up of hockey arent geniuses, theyre jocks that knew someone, or an athlete that didnt go to school, lets stop putting them on a pedestal.

This is such a dumb take...

So you don't think a guy that let's say played 1000 NHL games knows more than you sitting on your couch?

 

[1909]

Chytil definitely isn't a bust. He was drafted 21st, and has developed well as a later pick.

Kakko put up his first 40 point season, and scored 18 goals. After the season, he talked about wanting greater opportunities & responsibilities. He's not getting PP time at all. I think he's a player that can consistently be a 25g, 25a player at minimum. For a number 2 overall you probably want more, but he brings a fierce possession game with that.

Lafreniere has slowly improved every year. Very slowly. He hasn't seemed to work enough on his skating. He put up 39 pts with zero PP time too. He's closer to being a bust than Kakko and Chytil simply because he disappears quite often in games. Kakko & Chytil contribute more than what appears on the score sheet. Lafreniere not really.

What can he do with Kreider and Panarin in front of him on LW ? None of these two want their ice time shortened by the kid.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

This is such a dumb take...

So you don't think a guy that let's say played 1000 NHL games knows more than you sitting on your couch?

Logic like that is what put Gretzky behind the Coyotes bench.

Reminds me of Habs playing a raw as heck Slafkovsky when he's clearing not ready....

oOoOOoof

Hopefully he learns to keep his head up before permanent damage is done.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Logic like that is what put Gretzky behind the Coyotes bench.


Hopefully he learns to keep his head up before permanent damage is done.

And Martin St Louis.

 

[Belial]

Logic like that is what put Gretzky behind the Coyotes bench.

Are you serious right now? Gretzky failing in coaching doesn't mean @Mrb1p has more hockey knowledge than him FFS!

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

And Martin St Louis.

Yep, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. I'm sure some former NHLers make great scouts. I'm also sure many former NHLers are terrible scouts. Most are in the middle.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

What can he do with Kreider and Panarin in front of him on LW ? None of these two want their ice time shortened by the kid.

Yeah, it's a big issue, but Kreider can be moved to RW. They should probably just trade Lafreniere if they're just going to leave him stuck behind those 2.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Are you serious right now? Gretzky failing in coaching doesn't mean @Mrb1p has more hockey knowledge than him FFS!

Can I get you a map to follow my actual argument?

I'm not saying he has more hockey knowledge than Gretzky, I'm saying tenure in the NHL does not mean a player will translate better to coaching or scouting than someone who didn't play at that level.

 

[Belial]

Can I get you a map to follow my actual argument?

I'm not saying he has more hockey knowledge than Gretzky, I'm saying tenure in the NHL does not mean a player will translate better to coaching or scouting than someone who didn't play at that level.

Coaching is a whole other world, I don't know why you even brought that up.

Scouting though is a different thing IMO.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Coaching is a whole other world, I don't know why you even brought that up.

Scouting though is a different thing IMO.

Mostly to show that NHL experience doesn't translate to success in either role.

As far as scouts with NHL experience though, are we talking Audette? Boisvert? Burke? Churla? Eklund? Lehmann? Simpson?

Montreal's scouting department in the 2010s was filled with guys with hundreds of games in the NHL, and what did we have to show for it? It would have been a difficult, nearly impossible challenge for the average poster here to have done worse in that time frame.

 

[Andrei79]

Plenty of people on these boards were saying they preferred Stützle to Lafreniere in the lead up to that draft.

Plenty ? That's a fabrication on your part.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Plenty ? That's a fabrication on your part.

I'm not saying it was a 50/50 split but there were still people who were higher on Stützle

 

[Andrei79]

I'm not saying it was a 50/50 split but there were still people who were higher on Stützle

No. For the second pick, yes, but for first overall, they were fringe at best and the most I remember is like one guy saying he would understand if a team drafted him first. I say this as someone who was very high on Stutzle and saw him as a potential number 2OV.

 

[Belial]

Mostly to show that NHL experience doesn't translate to success in either role.

As far as scouts with NHL experience though, are we talking Audette? Boisvert? Burke? Churla? Eklund? Lehmann? Simpson?

Montreal's scouting department in the 2010s was filled with guys with hundreds of games in the NHL, and what did we have to show for it? It would have been a difficult, nearly impossible challenge for the average poster here to have done worse in that time frame.

So in your opinion, NHL teams should just hire random dudes to do their scouting?

I just don't understand your process of thought.

You think someone who never played the game is more qualified to evaluate players than someone who played in the league for 20 years?

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

So in your opinion, NHL teams should just hire random dudes to do their scouting?

I just don't understand your process of thought.

You think someone who never played the game is more qualified to evaluate players than someone who played in the league for 20 years?

What I'm saying is that deferring to scouts as the experts is foolish practice, as there are no experts in scouting. There are also no experts on this forum.

I'm not talking about qualifications, I'm talking about what the results would have been. It is hard to imagine a scenario where a random user on this forum, if asked every year in the 2010s to make a draft pick at each spot the Canadiens drafted, does not outperform or, at the very least, equal the actual results of our scouting during that time.

 

[Belial]

What I'm saying is that deferring to scouts as the experts is foolish practice, as there are no experts in scouting. There are also no experts on this forum.

I'm not talking about qualifications, I'm talking about what the results would have been. It is hard to imagine a scenario where a random user on this forum, if asked every year in the 2010s to make a draft pick at each spot the Canadiens drafted, does not outperform or, at the very least, equal the actual results of our scouting during that time.

You're just going full 20/20 hindsight and think we all around here would've done a better job.

Let's agree to disagree.


There's so much info involved that we're not able to get when making those picks.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

You're just going full 20/20 hindsight and think we all around here would've done a better job.

Let's agree to disagree.


There's so much info involved that we're not able to get when making those picks.

It is a shame we don't get more insight into the interview process. Instead we just hear the weird stuff with toilets and funerals.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Logic like that is what put Gretzky behind the Coyotes bench.

Are you serious right now? Gretzky failing in coaching doesn't mean @Mrb1p has more hockey knowledge than him FFS!

This place never ceases to amaze me! Random HF posters would apparently be a better choice to go behind the Coyotes bench than Gretzky.