GDT: NHL Draft Combine: June 4-10, Buffalo

[Estimated_Prophet]

You're right, let's forever defer to the infallible NHL scouts, especially ones from the Rangers front office. Who can forget such hits as Andersson over Suzuki, Kravtsov over Dobson, Kakko over well, most people after him, or Lafreniere over Stützle?

Every team in the league would have taken Kakko and Lafreniere. Drafting is far from an exact science for NHL scouts......message board scouts are at least an or of magnitude worse.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

So whos to blame? No one? They just got unlucky?

There is NO ONE to blame. They were the consensus picks.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

There is NO ONE to blame. They were the consensus picks.

Why hire scouts if you're just going to go with the consensus picks and use that as an excuse when you mess up?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

And what happens when all you draft is busts? Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil...

Stop with ridiculous posts. Only Kravtsov looks like a bust.

 

[Mrb1p]

There is NO ONE to blame. They were the consensus picks.

Consensus or not, the onus is on the team to draft and develop good.

Timmins drafted consensus too, Kotkaniemi, Kostitsyn, Galchenyuk, the whole 2012 draft, beaulieu, Chipchura, Poehling, etc. He always drafted consensus except for that one time with Fischer, where he ovwrdrafted by about 10 ranks.

 

[rahad]

You're right, let's forever defer to the infallible NHL scouts, especially ones from the Rangers front office. Who can forget such hits as Andersson over Suzuki, Kravtsov over Dobson, Kakko over well, most people after him, or Lafreniere over Stützle?

lol...

Any GM in the league would have pick Lafreniere in 2020 draft.... Show me one single ranking with Stutzle ranked above him. Easy to say who has the better player have 3 years.

 

[Belial]

And what happens when all you draft is busts? Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil...

I think you're too fast to call those guys busts tbh.

They'll probably not become stars in the league but will end up as solid players IMO.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

lol...

Any GM in the league would have pick Lafreniere in 2020 draft.... Show me one single ranking with Stutzle ranked above him. Easy to say who has the better player have 3 years.

Plenty of people on these boards were saying they preferred Stützle to Lafreniere in the lead up to that draft.

Again, going with consensus and being wrong doesn't make you any less bad an evaluator of talent.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Why hire scouts if you're just going to go with the consensus picks and use that as an excuse when you mess up?

Yeah, Chicago shouldn't be such sheep and pick Bedard......

How are you even arguing this with a straight face?

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Yeah, Chicago shouldn't be such sheep and pick Bedard......

How are you even arguing this with a straight face?

Yeah that's clearly what I'm saying.

I'm saying scouts are not the be all end all, and are by and are extremely replaceable by probably most people in this thread. Furthermore, justifying bad picks by saying "it was the consensus picks!" doesn't make it any less bad of a pick. It's a scout's job to make the right decision, not poll the majority and take their pick

 

[pepperMonkey]

And what happens when all you draft is busts? Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil...

If everyone you draft busts...and some are highly regarded and top-ranked players...then I would think it's your development that needs a second look over...

 

[Schooner Guy]

You're right, let's forever defer to the infallible NHL scouts, especially ones from the Rangers front office. Who can forget such hits as Andersson over Suzuki, Kravtsov over Dobson, Kakko over well, most people after him, or Lafreniere over Stützle?

Yes but in an inexact science, let's defer to fans who have watched a few highlights rather than real hockey guys. It's like getting a barber to perform brain surgery because a long-time neurosurgeon lost a few patients over his career.

 

[pepperMonkey]

Err...I am guessing I'm recalling things differently because I don't recall them to be the consensus picks...even with those here on this forum, let alone the scouts...

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Yes but in an inexact science, let's defer to fans who have watched a few highlights rather than real hockey guys. It's like getting a barber to perform brain surgery because a long-time neurosurgeon lost a few patients over his career.

A few patients lmao. Point me to a neurosurgeon with a 10% success rate and I'll consider that point.

Scouts didn't spend 10 years in medical school, they knew a guy

 

[Schooner Guy]

I think you're too fast to call those guys busts tbh.

They'll probably not become stars in the league but will end up as solid players IMO.

Indeed. Lafreniere was #1 on everyone's list. It's so hypocritical for anyone to fault the Rangers for making that pick. And to call him a bust at age 21 is plain silly just as it is to call Kakko or Chytil busts.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Scouts didn't spend 10 years in medical school, they knew a guy

Or they played the game at a high level and played with and practiced with elite players almost their entire life. Most in here wouldn't have a clue about the subtleties in the game (mechanics, technique, game play) that these guys pick up on quickly.

 

[Belial]

Or they played the game at a high level and played with and practiced with elite players almost their entire life. Most in here wouldn't have a clue about the subtleties in the game that these guys pick up on quickly.

You're on a roll tonight!

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Or they played the game at a high level and played with and practiced with elite players almost their entire life. Most in here wouldn't have a clue about the subtleties in the game that these guys pick up on quickly.

And yet their success rate is indistinguishable from most on this forum. Vancouver paid scouts for a decade that were outperformed by taking the highest PPG CHL player at each pick.

I'm sure plenty of them played high level hockey.

I'm also sure that if you went into brain surgery not knowing if your doctor would be outperformed by sorting by highest to lowest in a thrown together excel document, you'd realize there's slightly different levels of expertise at play.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

When the Habs have their own camp they should have randos dressed in protective gear and see how potential d picks get the puck through from the point.

That ability is huge

 

[SlafySZN]

Gorton and Bobrov are giving me the chills like Timmins-Bergevin combo. I am already troubled by the Mesar and Rohrer picks.

Why? Rohrer is a pretty good bet for a 3rd round pick.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Indeed. Lafreniere was #1 on everyone's list. It's so hypocritical for anyone to fault the Rangers for making that pick. And to call him a bust at age 21 is plain silly just as it is to call Kakko or Chytil busts.

Chytil definitely isn't a bust. He was drafted 21st, and has developed well as a later pick.

Kakko put up his first 40 point season, and scored 18 goals. After the season, he talked about wanting greater opportunities & responsibilities. He's not getting PP time at all. I think he's a player that can consistently be a 25g, 25a player at minimum. For a number 2 overall you probably want more, but he brings a fierce possession game with that.

Lafreniere has slowly improved every year. Very slowly. He hasn't seemed to work enough on his skating. He put up 39 pts with zero PP time too. He's closer to being a bust than Kakko and Chytil simply because he disappears quite often in games. Kakko & Chytil contribute more than what appears on the score sheet. Lafreniere not really.

 

[KFlint]

AI will replace scouts in a few years anyway, analyzing games, stats and such… At least the « art form » of scouting player will change completely.

 

[Schooner Guy]

And yet their success rate is indistinguishable from most on this forum. Vancouver paid scouts for a decade that were outperformed by taking the highest PPG CHL player at each pick.

I'm sure plenty of them played high level hockey.

I'm also sure that if you went into brain surgery not knowing if your doctor would be outperformed by sorting by highest to lowest in a thrown together excel document, you'd realize there's slightly different levels of expertise at play.

Yes because it's all about the order in an excel document. Nothing to do with a lifetime of analysis.

Do you really think their success rate is equal to HF Forum posters? That's rather obtuse.

 

[Belial]

AI will replace scouts in a few years anyway, analyzing games, stats and such… At least the « art form » of scouting player will change completely.

Stats are not everything, we can see it over and over again.

Those 1on1 interviews are a huge part of the final selection IMO.

 

[SlafySZN]

Plenty of people on these boards were saying they preferred Stützle to Lafreniere in the lead up to that draft.

Again, going with consensus and being wrong doesn't make you any less bad an evaluator of talent.

Lol congratulation, i’m sure it was easy for you to choose Stutzle 1st overall while watching the draft on your couch.