GDT: NHL Draft 2023

PK Cronin

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That’s a good number. But you have options for trades to improve your team as well. It’s building capital and assets

Definitely the name of the game when you're at that point. You can't possibly keep all of those players and it's probably not a good idea to have all of your players be that young (not that they're all playing in the NHL, but you get what I mean).

You want to turn Pokka's into Leddy's when you can.
 

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Definitely the name of the game when you're at that point. You can't possibly keep all of those players and it's probably not a good idea to have all of your players be that young (not that they're all playing in the NHL, but you get what I mean).

You want to turn Pokka's into Leddy's when you can.
Exactly!! Great example with Pokka and Leddy. That worked out tremendously for the isles.
 
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Could be wrong, but I personally believe that was Chicago owing the Isles a favor for the Regin trade.
I thought Chicago needed to get cap space? Same thing with Boston and Boychuk? Either way it was a great trade for us and worked out well. None of the pieces will Chicago really amounted to anything except for maybe Anders Nilsson, but that was after Chicago I believe.
 

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I gave it a C. The best thing that happened for the Isles during the draft, was trading Bailey.

I’m hoping next year, we have all of our picks, but I think I just jinxed that.
Hell yeah we just got another player :cool:
 

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No goalie, meaning the thin pipeline continues to get thinner.

Not a problem if you have Ilya Sorokin under contract long term and Varlamov backing up for another 2-3 years, but just pointing that out.
 

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No goalie, meaning the thin pipeline continues to get thinner.

Not a problem if you have Ilya Sorokin under contract long term and Varlamov backing up for another 2-3 years, but just pointing that out.
Sorokins 28 goalies can play into the 30s and still be high end but at some point we got a draft of goalie or two with high potential to have in the system. I really want to Jacob Fowler. I didn’t think he would go in the second but I’m not surprised that he did.

It’s never a bad idea to take a few cracks every draft or every other draft for a goalie. I love with a Blackhawks did they drafted?Gajan even though they have Drew Commesso.
 

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I thought Chicago needed to get cap space? Same thing with Boston and Boychuk? Either way it was a great trade for us and worked out well. None of the pieces will Chicago really amounted to anything except for maybe Anders Nilsson, but that was after Chicago I believe.
The trades were also about getting cap space for Chicago and Boston, but they likely still could have gotten more in return. I don't have any real evidence, but I suspect a favor was done on the Regin and Thomas trades, and these trades were the fulfillment. Unofficial future considerations, essentially.
 
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And it'll be a shame when only 4-5 end up being good
That’s a good number. But you have options for trades to improve your team as well. It’s building capital and assets
Correct and that’s why it’s best to have 7 picks more times than not , and you not adding those 4 at the same time. You’ll sprinkler them into your lineup over years some of those picks will bolster your minor league team.
 
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No goalie, meaning the thin pipeline continues to get thinner.

Not a problem if you have Ilya Sorokin under contract long term and Varlamov backing up for another 2-3 years, but just pointing that out.
If we can get Varly for 2 more years, that would be ideal. Have Lennox in the AHL the next 2 years, and should be ready after that. I’m really high on Lennox as a goalie prospect, very talented. Loved the pick.
 

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Some time has passed since the dust settled and here are some initial thoughts to the draft haul.

General:
I had hoped the team would come away solely with skaters, with hopefully more forwards than Dmen. As mentioned before the draft (and for years around these parts), you don't draft goalies when you have less than the allotted 7 picks. And even then, you should best only do it when you have upwards of seven picks. They simply take far too long to develop into an NHL option. Let them do that elsewhere. You shore up on system depth in that department, if necessary, via other routes. As such, I was glad this was continued.

I don't there's anything wrong with playing things safe and in no less than Nelson and Schulz, they took (terribly) safe picks for those respective spots. Both have traits indicating they can be an NHL option in the future, Nelson naturally moreso than Schulz.

When a team is like the Islanders and is participating at a below average rate in a number of drafts in a row, there's good reason to "swing for the fences" every now and again. That was done with Nurmi. I'm familiar with him. This is a kid whose upside is that of a producer. Lots of steps to take until that's possible at the NHL level.

Then there's the all too common overager trend. I mean, it's officially a "thang" for this staff. I know, some in the fan world think it's cool and a good route to go. The team does it basically yearly now. In 2019, it was Coskey and Bibeau. In 2020, it was Tikkanen. In 2022, it was Maggio and Kuefler. Now they took Gill and Good Bogg. Yes, yes, Maggio is looking good, primarily as one of the kids who missed out on an entire season of OHL play and thus, had that extra year bonus. I wouldn't it applies so much to either Kuefler or Gill, each of whom got some time in the Dub and Q respectively, even in the lost covid year.

Lastly, another "thang" for Lou at the draft table is that he doesn't deal. He doesn't move up. He doesn't move down. He stays right where he is and uses the picks. That's been the case for literally ALL six of his drafts. There's not been a single move to say, add an extra pick by dropping back. He just doesn't do it.

The players:
49 - Nelson - Am perfectly down with this pick and like it. I enjoyed his play immensely at the U18 and do NOT think he's strictly a 3rd line shutdown talent. His background makes him basically pre-ordained to be an Islander pick. I see him as immediately being one of our top 5 prospects at this point and have little doubt that he'll be an NHLer.

Players I was eyeing Thursday at 49: Nelson, Lardis, Heidt, Molgaard, Whitelaw, Hameenaho

113 - Nurmi - Not upset with this pick, but not extremely enthusiastic either. The good thing is that he skates well and likes to create offense. He can do things with the puck. He's actually produced at a very solid rate the past two years. Nothing really wrong with his U18 Worlds either, but he's not a player who looks like a difference-maker yet. He doesn't really arise to the occasion. And his size doesn't have to be a problem, but ideally he'll be 6 foot and 185 lbs. by the time he's turning into an option, if at all. Interestingly, almost every independent outlet out there had Nurmi in their top 100.

Players I was eyeing Thursday at 113: Minnetian, Ciernik, Pinnelli, Allen, Shaugabay

145 - Gill - This overager came earlier than usual. Yes, he had gaudy numbers in the Q this season. He looks to go pro immediately. Can't say much about his game or upside. Just know there was still a lot of talent on the board. The team's scout in the Q seems to have a certain clout within the staff.

Players I was eyeing Thursday at 145: Mania, Mukhanov, Port, Forsfjall, Molnar, Jarventie

177 - Schulz - I never mind seeing the team add a USNTDP kid, especially one who has captained a gold medal winner. It's a fine pick at this spot. Gotta see what Wisconsin does moving forward as they were a tire fire last season, despite plenty of NHL prospects. He'll play there with Quinn. Defensive Dman despite being able to move well with the puck and make a solid first pass.

Players I was eyeing Thursday at 177: Forsfjall, Molnar, Jarventie, Hanzel, Mittelstadt, Rimashevsky

209 - Good Bogg - Was Dman #7 for the gold medal winning U18 team in Germany (2022). Basically only played for AIK's junior outfit, where he was on the top pairing. Was fine there in a two-way capacity. Good size. Overager. Didn't see him being mentioned by about any indpendent services heading in. Is scheduled to play for AIK in the HockeyAllsvenskan next season.

Players I was eyeing Thursday at 209: Molnar, Jarventie, Levis, Copponi, Fink, Jedlicka, Dell'Elce, Jelsma, Weinstein, Sova, Scherzer, Szturzc, Mangone, Halaburda, Fine, Vote

Initial synopsis:
Like just about each of the drafts we've had since 2018, I look at this one and basically really like one pick, don't mind two others, and then think we're underselling ourselves with the rest. That's just from the outside looking in, but the impression I get yearly. I know these staffs not only see the kids play, but make personal bonds with them and like their backgrounds, upbringing, etc.

As mentioned above, there are certain trends that look mighty common for this staff. You can almost bank on them. Also, if your interest in the draft is more or less solely to see who the Isles are taking, then you can save your money on draft guides. This staff certainly is.

Looking at how the final three rounds panned out and how many guys DIDN'T get drafted, the team seemed to run par with its final three picks. I think we'll look back at this draft in a couple of years and think it was fine, much as we do already for 2021, or even to a degree the ones before that. Nothing more, nothing all too less.

Hard to give it any other assessment.

Personally:
I wish the staff would move a little bit away from the "let's use the draft to help out BPort with CHL overagers who are ready to be there in a year or two" mentality. That's what free agency is for, where there are often plenty of guys who are every bit as good as the kids we're drafting (yes, yes, save for perhaps a Maggio). I mean, if nothing else, there are almost always a handful of college-bound kids from high schools or leagues like i.e. the BCHL who are long-term investments that sometimes end up popping real big. Keep an eye on Aidan Fink, for example. Back in the day, Gaudreau was one such selection.

Not always, but a bit more than this staff currently does, which is basically never.

This is just MHO because I just don't see too many teams taking the path the Islanders do with regularity although we - unlike some other teams - only average 5 picks per summer.

I think we can all agree that Carolina, for example, has been a strong outfit with year in, year out competitiveness and yet, they find a way to draft between 8-13 times every summer. Like without fail. They then have guys internally competing for NHL jobs while maintaining a boatload of tradeable assets come the deadline.

Aside:
On the other side, I think a couple of teams out there killed it and just set themselves up very nicely. In the eastern conference, I felt Philly and Buffalo had mighty impressive hauls and, well, that's no fun for us, especially considering particularly Buffalo is already loaded with young impact NHLers and as healthy a pipeline as anyone. I think we'll look back and once again have to say that Carolina had a sneaky good draft too. Out west, Seattle's haul was insane, as was San Jose's. Chicago and Anaheim did real well for themselves and geez, Winnipeg made the most of their five picks.
 
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Wisconsin hired Mike Hastings this summer, so the program will see changes. Most recent UFA defensmen to come out of Hasting’s program and MN State Mankato were Akito Hirose and Jake Livingstone.
 
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Mad props and a big thanks to all of this boards draft gurus. I personally love reading every post on opinions and analysis. That's a lot of work.
 

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Happy Bobby Bonilla Day to all and especially to Lou who looks at that extended payout as the holy grail of contracts.

Edit: Wrong thread but whatever
 

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Definitely the name of the game when you're at that point. You can't possibly keep all of those players and it's probably not a good idea to have all of your players be that young (not that they're all playing in the NHL, but you get what I mean).

You want to turn Pokka's into Leddy's when you can.

Ville Pokka and Griffen Reinhart is the greatest shutdown pairing the league has ever seen.
 
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If we can get Varly for 2 more years, that would be ideal. Have Lennox in the AHL the next 2 years, and should be ready after that. I’m really high on Lennox as a goalie prospect, very talented. Loved the pick.
With Sorokin and Varly both locked up long term now, what do you suspect they do with Lennox? Keep or trade?
 

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With Sorokin and Varly both locked up long term now, what do you suspect they do with Lennox? Keep or trade?
He's our best prospect, you keep him. What if Varly decides to retire in 2 years, or gets hurt? I guess we could get Mike Smith out of retirement . . .
 
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He's our best prospect, you keep him. What if Varly decides to retire in 2 years, or gets hurt? I guess we could get Mike Smith out of retirement . . .
I think we will see a situation in 2 years. If Lennox is as good as I think he is, he should be ready in 2 years. I’m hoping he will be very good at Bridgeport the next 2 years and shows he is ready after those seasons.
 
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He's our best prospect, you keep him. What if Varly decides to retire in 2 years, or gets hurt? I guess we could get Mike Smith out of retirement . . .

Our best prospect?

Kind of curious what makes you think that.

At the moment, Lennox is coming into a fairly ideal situation. There's zero pressure to do anything but spend the next 3 seasons growing and learning. Heck, if he's good enough, there's a starting gig in the AHL to gain.

But let's not kid ourselves.... Until proven otherwise, there's nothing yet about this kid that makes him any more special than a dozen other goalies coming out of the CHL alone, if not just the OHL. This is a player who missed an entire season, then played 28 and 45 regular season games respectively. He wasn't even an all-everything starter for his Saginaw program.

And whereas his technical numbers picked up in the playoffs (albeit, with a 4-4-3 record), a 3.15 GAA and .888 SV% in the regular season is nothing to write home about. Nothing.

As mentioned, he's got a wonderful situation of slow progression to look forward to just now.

Much good would have to transpire in order for him to be an NHL option within two seasons.

PS) Still, best prospect? I don't think we can viably get around Dufour and Maggio as our best prospects right now, and that's not really including Holmstrom and Bolduc, who are "on the Island".
 
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