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Keneeyo Fato Boiyo

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Don’t see it with Huberdeau. He’s on a stacked team. Don’t see his argument over McDavid especially if McDavid wins the Ross.

I can get behind a case for Josi or Shesterkins or even Matthews a few weeks ago when it looked like he was a lock for 60
Maybe because McDavid plays way more minutes than the other top 3 scorers in the league. Like 4 minutes extra per game due to the fact Edmonton is dead set on being a one trick pony. Give the other top 3 scorers 4 extra minutes per game and see what happens.
 

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Maybe because McDavid plays way more minutes than the other top 3 scorers in the league. Like 4 minutes extra per game due to the fact Edmonton is dead set on being a one trick pony. Give the other top 3 scorers 4 extra minutes per game and see what happens.
Sounds like a good argument in support of him being the MVP to be honest.
 
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If he’s played 300 more minutes than Gaudreau and only has 5 more points then I think that argument goes the other way.
I’d say the opposite. He’s shown be can play huge minutes with below average linemates and still perform at an elite level.
Give him a lighter workload like Gaudreau with Tkachuk and Lindgren as linemates and he’d probably lap the field.
 

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I think a lot of guys wouldn't be able to handle the extra minutes, unless they are strictly PP minutes. Might actually see production go down from some guys due to exhaustion.
 

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I definitely agree Matthews has lost his edge due to games missed. My next question is when is the voting period?
 

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I love this whole narrative that McDavid is having a down year though. It's adorable.
Yeah what's up with that? He's litererally having his best non-covid season ever. I think it's more representative of his level than the weird shortened seasons.

Gaudreau or Matthews are my contenders. But I guess that was before Matthews missed a few more games. Huberdeau is great, but let's be honest, Barkov is the best player on the team.
 
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McDavid shouldn't be anywhere near Hart with Drai being on his team. It should be Huberdeau, Matthews, Gaudreau, Josi, Kaprizov, Shesterkin or someone like that.
 

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McDavid shouldn't be anywhere near Hart with Drai being on his team. It should be Huberdeau, Matthews, Gaudreau, Josi, Kaprizov, Shesterkin or someone like that.

The same argument can be made for a whole pile of those guys though, it's a slippery slope. Do we just give it to the player having the best season with the worst teammates around him?
 

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The same argument can be made for a whole pile of those guys though, it's a slippery slope. Do we just give it to the player having the best season with the worst teammates around him?

Josi & Kaprizov don't have teammates even close to Draisaitl's level.
 

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Josi & Kaprizov don't have teammates even close to Draisaitl's level.

And this is the slippery slope that we end up down. This isn't like the year where Taylor Hall was like 40 points ahead of his next closest teammate. Pretty much everyone being mentioned in here plays on a good team. Josi probably has the best argument based on the wording of the award, but it's not like he's playing with slouches either, both Forsberg and Duchene are having great seasons. I think quality of teammate should come into play a little bit, but only if the points are reasonably close.
 
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Josi & Kaprizov don't have teammates even close to Draisaitl's level.
You can just as easlily argue that guys like McDavid, Gaudreau and Matthews have elevated their teammates with their incredible play, as you can argue that Josi/Kaprizov are clearly more valuable because they are so far ahead of their teammates. The argument is never as simple as you think.

and for the record, I personally think that there are 7-8 players I would consider worthy of winning thus season. It’s super close. This is not an AINEC type of season.
 
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McDavid shouldn't be anywhere near Hart with Drai being on his team. It should be Huberdeau, Matthews, Gaudreau, Josi, Kaprizov, Shesterkin or someone like that.
Drai is on his team but not on his line at ES.
Matthews and Gaudreau clearly have better linemates at ES so including them and excluding McDavid makes no sense.
 
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Just to be clear, are you trying to argue that Tkachuk and Lindholm are worse than Kane and Yamamoto?
No, just pointing out that it's not like McDavid has had no help at 5v5. Tkachuk and Lindholm are great, but, like literally everyone who has ever played with Gaudreau, their point totals are significantly inflated.

I don't think the difference in linemate quality is overstated because of the impact Gaudreau has on his linemates production.
 

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