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timekeep
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NFL is starting to have QB and Head Coach issue. That was stupid game calling, Lions did it too, again.
joestevens29
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Listening to Fox this morning they are attributing a lot of it to the O'Lines playing non contact football in training camp
Just aren't up to game speed and offensive coordinators haven't adapted either.
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I don't even know that he could play in the CFL. Guy can't even play at any sort of decent level at the game he grew up playing and understanding. Now throw new rules?
Honestly I don't know where Manning ranks right now if the draft was tomorrow, but he might be better leaving early if it means being a later draft pick and going to a good team. A team that doesn't need him right now, that can sit him on the sidelines learning.
I know playing longer in college is probably better, but won't that be erased if he goes to a shit club and is expected to be their saviour?
joestevens29
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Really don't think it's a QB issue as much as it's a coaching/management/ownership lack of knowledge when developing QB's.
Too much of a win now league
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Right, the QBs are leaving college earlier, that is their choice. Many are showing up with only one season as a fulltime starter. And how many are getting these guaranteed juicy contracts? There is more to it than just development.
Coaches are changed out too frequently, how many different HCs and OCs did Fields have in Chicago? More common unfortunately.
What the hell lol but wouldn't you rather throw a puke-doused football, get rid of it ASAP?
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Today I learned Andy Dalton is still playing pro football...lol.
I was a Panthers fan for 20 years, but drafting Young over Stroud was the last straw and I jumped ship and made the Texans my team. I've been very pleased with this decision so far. How did people who are paid money to scout football players possibly believe Young was better than Stroud?
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I heard rumblings the owner wanted him, not sure if true or not.
And yes it wasn't today, but on Sunday I learned Dalton was still around.
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I think you're missing the point. Other contenders lost this last week. It was an upset special kind of week, But they all lost in tight games, either with a minute or so to go, or even last play of the game. It's going to happen, you can't win 'em all. The Dallas game was over at halftime. That's a special kind of ass kicking. And as a huge Dallas fan, I find that VERY concerning. With them getting pumped by a young Jordan Love and Green Bay team at home last year in a playoff game, I don't think anyone should be surprised they can come up with another stinker. They had issues before, but losing Dan Quinn is going to hurt, not to mention Bland.
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Said the same to my son about Dalton. Maybe thats what I should do about the Bears!!
Thats what it was, a rich owner sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong. Heard that before, worked for one year for Jones, hasn't worked for Katz yet but probably didn't matter who they drafted in the Yak draft.
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Travis has looked rather slow for the first few games. A keg a day habit for 7 months gets tough to shed.
I get the feeling that both the Chiefs and the girlfriend are going to come to the same conclusion within the next 12 months.....time to move on to something younger with more potential.
No problem for Trav though, he can pick up his PHD in radio astronomy when he has more time on his hands.
I get the feeling that both the Chiefs and the girlfriend are going to come to the same conclusion within the next 12 months.....time to move on to something younger with more potential.
No problem for Trav though, he can pick up his PHD in radio astronomy when he has more time on his hands.
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joestevens29
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In all fairness there were some brief talks of him retiring this past off-season, but I think going for the three peat is what is keeping him around now.
It's also only week 2 so I won't get too worried if I were a Chiefs fan.
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Lots of opinions on Bryce Young.
Personally I'm a bit leery about taking an Alabama QB because of all the elite skill surround them. I think it can have an inflation factor in assessing their pure ability at the most difficult position. Second, I'd not necessarily throw blue chip assets on a small run/pass QB. However I totally feel there is organizational accountability always as well to put their young QB's in positions to succeed. QB graveyard franchises like the Jets and Browns are two examples that keep drafting QBs with high picks to flame out and move out to repeating cycles.
Mel Kiper raises some valid questions around the Carolina franchise that's spinning its wheels:
Quarterbacks leaving college early and not putting together deep, sustained experience leaves them vulnerable in a pro league that doesn't have time for development. Get the reps in school and be fully prepared mentally for the huge next step jump to pro.
Personally I'm a bit leery about taking an Alabama QB because of all the elite skill surround them. I think it can have an inflation factor in assessing their pure ability at the most difficult position. Second, I'd not necessarily throw blue chip assets on a small run/pass QB. However I totally feel there is organizational accountability always as well to put their young QB's in positions to succeed. QB graveyard franchises like the Jets and Browns are two examples that keep drafting QBs with high picks to flame out and move out to repeating cycles.
Mel Kiper raises some valid questions around the Carolina franchise that's spinning its wheels:
Quarterbacks leaving college early and not putting together deep, sustained experience leaves them vulnerable in a pro league that doesn't have time for development. Get the reps in school and be fully prepared mentally for the huge next step jump to pro.
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You aren’t wrong but at of the day there are advisors that push these guys to go pro and get money while they can. One injury in college could costs a guy millions.
Just a broken system all around
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Yup, I totally get that. We're talking about life changing money and I don't begrudge anyone jumping at the financial security for themselves and family. Maybe with the corrupt NCAA system now being forced into NIL money to players it could provide a bridge for some to delay declaring for pro (doubt it ... but maybe).
The old NFL development model at least provided a chance to watch and learn the position through a tough transition to the pro game. Interesting to see how Atlanta fares with their QB system of big name/guaranteed salary established guy followed by taking Pennix in the first round. Green Bay seemed to get their QB development right though not without ruffling Rodger's feathers with the Love pick.
Specific to Carolina, there's a lot of accountability to go around. Same with the erratic Jets and Browns franchises. And just maybe the Bears have finally found stability.
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I still don’t know if love is the guy, but that’s how qbs need to be brought along.
How teams think they can just fire a rookie in at the most important position baffles me. Like drafting a goalie and starting him in nhl at 18. Not a recipe for success
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He didn't look that great in the regular season last year either, but provided enough in the playoffs to help them win. I think he'll be fine.
There are not a lot of CJ Stroud's around that can flourish and take to the pro game almost immediately. And he too, will likely experience some bumps and twists in the next while.
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The QB position is so complex. Have to have strong technical skills, acute mental processor to make quick decisions and a whole heap of resilience, grit and coping abilities, then add expected leadership responsibilities layered on top. Add that so many are drafted into poor organizations.
I don't know about Love. Just that the Green Bay model has worked effectively. Curious to see how Atlanta balances their win now QB and future guy picked as first round talent. We know what doesn't work looking at retread organizations drafting and spitting out high pedigree QB's.
Agree with your pov.
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You know what you’re alright
I think we are 100% on this
Now for the people making millions to understand
Stoneman89
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The field goal kickers have the potential to be the least intelligent players out there.
"See those uprights? Adjust for the wind or inside fan movement, turf or grass and kick the damned ball through them."
"See those uprights? Adjust for the wind or inside fan movement, turf or grass and kick the damned ball through them."
Jahlani Tavai with one of the most idiotic penalties I've seen in my life.
Jets having their way with the Pats thus far.
Jets having their way with the Pats thus far.
As a Packers fan, when they were 3-6 before they went on that back half run to the playoffs, I was yelling for them to tank I had no faith in him one bit. He grew on me. I still dont think they shouldve gave him all that money but I guess this is where we're at with young QB's and contracts in the NFL
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