I almost never agree with you but on this one as I've said many times in this thread I'm disgusted. we had to beg this guy to come here. overpay a guy that's done nothing. now we're hearing he may not even have been their first choice? I have very little confidence in this guy right now. he's done nothing.
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I almost never agree with you but on this one as I've said many times in this thread I'm disgusted. we had to beg this guy to come here. overpay a guy that's done nothing. now we're hearing he may not even have been their first choice? I have very little confidence in this guy right now. he's done nothing.
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I wonder which one they preferred
If Brooks is to be believed they never offered to Montgomery
Which would mean Quinn was the guy
Good on Quinn I guess for getting extra dough and pushing for another year of job security
If Brooks is to be believed they never offered to Montgomery
Which would mean Quinn was the guy
Good on Quinn I guess for getting extra dough and pushing for another year of job security
Sounds like a guy who knows how to negotiate the best possible deal for himself.
This isn't just a guy who is looking to step up in the working world. The Rangers succeeded in taking him away from what was his dream job.
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Not sure it's quite that black and white.
For starters, Quinn is essentially leaving a job he's worked most of his professional career to have. It's been, at various times, described as his dream job.
He's leaving said job to coach a rebuilding team at the NHL level. In most cases, he knows those assignments don't end with championships and a place among the NHL's preferred coaching list. It's usually the guy after you who gets to enjoy the fruit of your labor.
Needless to say, it's a risk. Especially when you consider that Quinn probably could've held his current coaching position for a very, very long time.
We're fans, we're thinking with our hearts.
But for people who work in the industry, it's a business decision and one that cannot be made lightly. Especially when you're responsible for more than just yourself.
The thing with Vegas is that they seem to have a lot of what appears to be unsustainable play but they've managed to keep it going. Like...is William Karlsson really one of the best goal scorers in the entire league and his shooting percentage going crazy an indication of his talent and ability or is there something at play here that has a lot of guys playing over their heads and could see them come crashing down next season?
Karlsson has never at any level whatsoever shown the ability to do what he just did. Pure diamond in the rough? Or unsustainable and next season he'll round out as a solid 15-20 goal scorer?
If I had to guess I'd say that the players in Vegas have been playing over their heads in the inaugural season as a kind of magical pure moment comes together and everything is clicking. Their depth and gameplan works perfectly into all of that. Next season I wouldn't be surprised to see a hangover and a lot more struggles, but if not, the Rangers need to be looking real close at whatever Vegas did to get a bunch of middle tier players to suddenly becomes all stars
Karlsson has never at any level whatsoever shown the ability to do what he just did. Pure diamond in the rough? Or unsustainable and next season he'll round out as a solid 15-20 goal scorer?
If I had to guess I'd say that the players in Vegas have been playing over their heads in the inaugural season as a kind of magical pure moment comes together and everything is clicking. Their depth and gameplan works perfectly into all of that. Next season I wouldn't be surprised to see a hangover and a lot more struggles, but if not, the Rangers need to be looking real close at whatever Vegas did to get a bunch of middle tier players to suddenly becomes all stars
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Imagine if your boss said the same thing to you when you asked for a raise. ' you want a raise!?! If you realy wanted to be here, you wouldn't ask for a dime'
It's a business
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Seriously, thank you. These takes about Quinn are so senseless and people are being so myopic in their views about him. He has a crazy amount of work ahead of him instilling a new culture and style for a massive organization like the New York Rangers, on top of developing their top prospects.
It’s already been shown that his contract is roughly equivalent to what Hakstol got to go to Philly, so the salary argument is just silly. People are already knocking the guy and he hasn’t even been named the coach yet.
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Can't disagree with any of that, but you could probably say a lot of similar things for most teams that win a championship.
With the exception of dynasties, a lot of teams come down to the right mix of players, at the right time, with a heck of a lot of things falling into place.
But, what makes Vegas particularly interesting is that what we're seeing doesn't even include any of the prospects they nabbed in the 2017 draft.
You're looking at team with some legit top prospects in their ranks. So while William Karlsson could very well settle into more of a 20 goal scorer, and James Neal might not be a long-tenured Knight, you could still see guys like Glass and Suzuki step up in the coming seasons.
Vegas is also going to be an attractive option for free agents. You have no state income tax, reasonably affordable housing, access to top notch food and entertainment, the outdoors, relatively easy travel to anywhere in the world, and other factors. This has always held true for recruitment purposes, going back to the IHL's Thunder and the ECHL's Wranglers.
Point being, I doubt they'll have a hard time pitching free agents. Especially if they're successful early and can build on that momentum. This is not going to be a franchise that is likely to stand pat, even if it experiences early success. They're going to be involved and they're going to be aggressive.
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Who did you want them to acquire?
I'm not sure why a guy should feel like he has to just drop everything and accept whatever offer comes his way just for the "privileged" of coaching the Rangers.
It's not a honor to coach the Rangers. It's a business, it's a career. Guy already had a job he loved and when the Rangers came calling, he asked for an extra year on their offer. Sounds like a negotiation. If he didn't want to be here then he wouldn't have accepted.
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NYR Viper
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I'd do the same thing if I was him. You want me to leave my dream job? Let's make sure I'm around for when the team will be competing for a Cup again, not just through the rebuild.
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You have to be.
In most cases, you have a finite window. You have to maximize your earning potential, while also pursuing opportunities that interest you.
If you're going to leave your dream job, or a job with your home town team, sometimes you want to know it's going to be worth it. To that point, you can't always control the situation, so you focus on securing the financial aspects.
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I think it's funny that the person criticizing Quinn for asking for more money is constantly defending the player with the highest salary on the team 
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It’s hilarious to see the “Rick nash’s crying kid needs to learn this is a business” crowd now melting down bc our possible coach negotiated more money to come here, and another candidate didn’t want to come here.
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This is a simplistic study that doesn’t account for injuries or anything but if you look at all forwards who played 400+ minutes this year (excluding guys who played for multiple teams because they are hard to deal with) and if you remove the top six forward scorers on each team...
Vegas ranks: 15/31 in “Depth PPG” and 10/31 in “Depth Pts/60” so tell me a little bit more about how great their depth is and that’s why they win. Oh and WPG ranks first in Depth pts/60 and it’s by a very large margin (difference between wpg and the team in 2nd - TOR - is the same as TOR and STL - 14th)
Vegas Depth production is a sham they are one of the top heavier teams in the league it just feels weird since it’s from random players mostly that you wouldn’t expect.
Vegas ranks: 15/31 in “Depth PPG” and 10/31 in “Depth Pts/60” so tell me a little bit more about how great their depth is and that’s why they win. Oh and WPG ranks first in Depth pts/60 and it’s by a very large margin (difference between wpg and the team in 2nd - TOR - is the same as TOR and STL - 14th)
Vegas Depth production is a sham they are one of the top heavier teams in the league it just feels weird since it’s from random players mostly that you wouldn’t expect.
I think their "depth" (in my mind) is more that they can roll out 4 lines that can really pressure the other team or keep them on their toes. There's not really a weak crappy line for them, even if their "depth" isn't scoring, they're pushing the play.
Maybe I'm wrong though
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Keeping in mind that Quinn pretty much lost his entire pro career because of a medical condition--getting a big payday is probably pretty important to him. Almost all current Rangers players will get at least one big payday and in some cases multiple big paydays. His comes later in life......and there probably will not be another opportunity for him to coach Boston U. again....and the Rangers job might last only 2-3 years. So it's not like Quinn isn't giving up anything.
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I already forgot about that whole farce hahahaha. I still can't believe people actually went there. Funny enough nobody was complaining about Girardi's son having to move away when his dad was bought out.
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That’s my feeling too. It’s not that their bottom 6 score so much it’s that they stifle the other team and hound the puck all shift every shift. We as ranger fans know better than most how much of a difference a good relentless fourth line can make when you have one
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As long as the team is successful under him i dont care how much Quinn makes or that he asked for more. Everything I have read so far has me feeling optimistic, a change from what AV was.
what risk. he's got 12.5 guaranteed over the next 5 years. would take him 20 plus years to make that at BU
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