Next Possible Rangers Coach
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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Hell yeah. Frankly, I’ll be doing backflips if he’s there at 9. I expect him to be gone between 2-5.
Zero interest in moving up for him, though. I like him as a prospect quite a bit, but he’s not the type of player I’m moving up for.
This would have happened no matter who they hired though, lol.
I think it's hilarious that a coach who stresses possession and is against chip and chase hockey gets equated to AV, whose philosophy was to basically sit on your heels, chip the puck in, change because short shifts are super important, rinse and repeat while praying that the other team f***s up somewhere along the way and you convert before you're tailing by 3.
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Some people have no perspective.
I don’t think his upside is as glamorous as a guy like Zadina or Wahlstrom, but he has a good shot at being an incredibly valuable player moving forward.
I mean, I can’t say I wouldn’t prefer that Hughes or Wahlstrom are there, but if Tkachuk is there at 9, the Rangers will be tripping over themselves to get him IMO. And I can’t blame them.
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People are obsessed with the idea of going for the home run pick, but what if Brady develops into one of the very best power forwards in the entire league? Absolutely worthy of a top ten selection, but I expect him to go top 6. If he fell to 9, I would be happy and stunned.
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I like the puck possession thing....I like Keefe more strictly because of the historically amazing numbers he puts up everywhere he goes. I have no issues with Quinn....just prefer Keefe.
Regarding tkachuk...I'm going on record that I'd be THRILLED to walk away with him In this draft..even if we trade up to get him.
Regarding tkachuk...I'm going on record that I'd be THRILLED to walk away with him In this draft..even if we trade up to get him.
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Everything I've seen from tkachuk is that he's an elite level passer who also plays a power forwards game...that's an insane skill set to have.
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Personally, I'm all about puck possession but these types of coaches with the corsi BS, much like yourself, always seem to forget that there's another team on the ice and you have to be able to defend .
If he can install a puck possession system while still being able to defend your own end of the ice then I'm all for it but I won't hold my breath..
I'm intrigued to see what type of D-Zone coverage he puts out there.
Vegas is a man on man team and they do very well, but they also keep 5 in the picture at all times at even strength. Short passes, less gambles, better net front coverage and more switching than AV.
Not sure if Quinn will adjust from that, switch to zone, etc.
Gallant ran a zone in FLA. That is one good coach.
Vegas is a man on man team and they do very well, but they also keep 5 in the picture at all times at even strength. Short passes, less gambles, better net front coverage and more switching than AV.
Not sure if Quinn will adjust from that, switch to zone, etc.
Gallant ran a zone in FLA. That is one good coach.
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If you took everything you have said about hockey in general on these boards and multi-quoted it, the laws of physics would start to fall apart.
If you were able to interpret everything I've ever said on this board and were able to actually comprehend it, then maybe some day you can be as smart as me, Bobo
What is the reason Keefe is off the table? What happened to all other good candidates? We should have focused on top AHL coaches and top NHL assistant coaches. I can't believe Gorton is screwing this up so bad.
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Annnnnd here we go.
Finna guess you’ve watched maybe a minute and a half of BU hockey this season, if at all.
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If all else was equal, I think the drama that has surrounded Keefe might have pushed the decision In the other direction. New York can be a tough town. That’s a conversation that a rebuilding/reloading team doesn’t need.
Agree, Quinn looks like he has the polish that will feed well in this market. I'd like to learn a little more about him and see what he's all about.
Almost couple of months ago I chatted with a former NHL coach, guy may or may not have a Jack Adams to his name. I asked him what's different about the guys he's coached and has success with versus now.
The response was something that really made sense and got me thinking. He said he couldn't coach millennials. That was his biggest failure, and why he never got a job. Said the players that play the game, the type of guys, aren't the same anymore. He thinks that the biggest reason for that is the cost of the game. It's easily a $20K+ per/year expense in most competitive levels, even more with private schools. Those poor farm boys from Canada can't play the game, afford composite sticks that break often, afford skating lessons.
Once his rosters had a bunch of young guys that came from money and made money very quickly in the NHL, his coaching approach didn't work. They tuned him out, and quit on him. Once that happened he never got a sniff at a coaching job.
What was most interesting is that these young guys tuned out the veterans too. Sometimes they made more than the vets, so they gave little shits when it came to paying their respects. It's a very different dynamic. Coaches often have their veteran leaders in on conversations when they want to change behavior. It works in some locker rooms, but that tactic doesn't bode well sometimes.
One thing, I think this hiring can be a lot of things — except a big mistake!
At worst Quinn will be here 1-2 years — hey it’s not unusual hat rebuilding teams change coaches a lot — but we will win nothing no matter who is the coach, and Quinn won’t handcuff the kids, teach them bad habits and so forth. He should be able to teach them a lot of stuff. He should be able to influence Gorts in the right direction.
In short it’s like this, and it’s important to know:
-you can learn how to play destructive throw away the puck hockey in a week, it’s more a matter of discipline and getting the players to buy in and toss old habits;
-a team developing its passing game is like a fine wine. The longer it matures the better. And it’s not exaggeration. A team playing one way 10 years is to prefer over a team doing the same for 5 years.
These passing patterns will stick and carry forward.
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I think this thinking is a bit flawed, re Tkachuk. A hockey team need everything. When recruiting a hockey team you need to recruit everything. I am really impressed with Tkachuk as a PF.
But when you become the coach of a new team you need the bread and butter players for your system, you need certain ingredients that will make your marchinery work. I can guarantee that if Quinn had the pick of everyone he would look at guys like Keller and McAvoy early.
Getting Quinn will certainly not hurt the odds of us going after Tkachuk. But Tkachuk isn’t a core player type in Quinn’s system. Also, I don’t think anyone in college would not recruit Tkachuk...
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