News & Notes XLII: Consolidation Season

[Blueline Bomber]

Is having an entire line (and 2 of the top 3) good?

 

[WreckingCrew]

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Is having an entire line (and 2 of the top 3) good?

On the one hand, yes! On the other, the fact that McDavid is not only on the list, but #1, draws questions into what data they're using to determine this statistic, and how accurately it actually reflects "defensive" play

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

On the one hand, yes! On the other, the fact that McDavid is not only on the list, but #1, draws questions into what data they're using to determine this statistic, and how accurately it actually reflects "defensive" play

McDavid's game has matured greatly, though. He's starting to enter that period that Ovechkin went through under Trotz where he's really started to prioritize two-way play.

 

[WreckingCrew]

McDavid's game has matured greatly, though. He's starting to enter that period that Ovechkin went through under Trotz where he's really started to prioritize two-way play.

Don't disagree, but he's nowhere near a Selke-caliber player on the defensive side of things

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Hey, remember how we got this kid for agreeing to take Patrick Marleau for half a day?

 

[Tryamw]

Hey, remember how we got this kid for agreeing to take Patrick Marleau for half a day?

Was it only that long for Hurricanes legend Marleau??? Seemed like years

 

[DaveG]

I still love that everyone at the time was calling us idiots for that trade despite the fact that we had close to 20M in unused cap space before we made that trade.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Hey, remember how we got this kid for agreeing to take Patrick Marleau for half a day?

He was on NHL network yesterday afternoon and had a great interview.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I still love that everyone at the time was calling us idiots for that trade despite the fact that we had close to 20M in unused cap space before we made that trade.

Yeah. I'm too lazy to go back, but I recall there was a contingent calling us idiots for letting Toronto off the hook. And there was a 2nd contingent calling Toronto idiots for having to give up a 1st to move Marleau. Fans failing to realize that GMs will do what's best for their team. That move, indirectly, allowed us to make the trade for Skjei, because without having two 1st round picks, we may not have made that move for Skjei at the time.

My favorite take back then was a Leaf's poster saying something to the effect of "Well, at least we didn't have to give up Kapanen or Johnsson or.... (can't remember the other player). Someone said the pick was just as valuable and got sort of laughed at.

Granted, hindsight is 20/20 as nobody expected the pick to be as high as it was, nor Johnsson and Kapanen to fall off so much, but still amusing.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah. I'm too lazy to go back, but I recall there was a contingent calling us idiots for letting Toronto off the hook. And there was a 2nd contingent calling Toronto idiots for having to give up a 1st to move Marleau. Fans failing to realize that GMs will do what's best for their team. That move, indirectly, allowed us to make the trade for Skjei, because without having two 1st round picks, we may not have made that move for Skjei at the time.

My favorite take back then was a Leaf's poster saying something to the effect of "Well, at least we didn't have to give up Kapanen or Johnsson or.... (can't remember the other player). Someone said the pick was just as valuable and got sort of laughed at.

Granted, hindsight is 20/20 as nobody expected the pick to be as high as it was, nor Johnsson and Kapanen to fall off so much, but still amusing.

And to be fair to the Leafs, clearing Marleau's cap has allowed them to somehow keep Matthews, Marner and Nylander long-term, when it seemed very unlikely a few years ago

 

[SlavinAway]

And to be fair to the Leafs, clearing Marleau's cap has allowed them to somehow keep Matthews, Marner and Nylander long-term, when it seemed very unlikely a few years ago

All the good that's done them!

 

[Blueline Bomber]

All the good that's done them!

I mean, I'd take the guy that's come incredibly close to 50 in 50 any day of the week.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I don't follow the connection. Marleau primarily allowed the Leafs to keep Kapanen and Johnsson, two young wingers that looked to be on the upswing; it turned out that the 18-19 season was the peak for both. The added flexibility helped faciliate Kadri for Barrie+Kerfoot as well. The Leafs have shown to be very committed to their Big 4 and thus, most likely would have just gone with thin forward depth, if Marleau had to stay.

Pittsburgh bought high on Kapanen. Toronto ended up getting comparable draft value back in the end.

Forget the other side. It's just a great trade for Carolina. It worked out better than even the FO could have expected. The sequence of events that made it possible is crazy (pandemic, bubble format, multiple upsets).

 

[Chrispy]

And to be fair to the Leafs, clearing Marleau's cap has allowed them to somehow keep Matthews, Marner and Nylander long-term, when it seemed very unlikely a few years ago

You know what else would have allowed them to keep those 3 long-term as well as Kapanen and Johnsson?

Not signing Tavares the year before the Marleau trade.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The fact that we were almost 1 inch from having no pick / covid helped us out because most below Jarvis haven’t done a ton, is quite luck. Of course taking a chance on Gunler and missing on some others subtracts a little.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

The fact that we were almost 1 inch from having no pick / covid helped us out because most below Jarvis haven’t done a ton, is quite luck. Of course taking a chance on Gunler and missing on some others subtracts a little.

We're also a little lucky in that Jarvis has bought in completely to Rod's philosophy. I'm sure the front office scouts for this, but it's not a given that the youth hockey phenoms will have heard of playing in the defensive zone.

More than scouting, I would think, is just how much respect Rod commands due to his no-nonsense approach and his ridiculous commitment to exercise and the sport of hockey.

 

[chaz4hockey]

We're also a little lucky in that Jarvis has bought in completely to Rod's philosophy. I'm sure the front office scouts for this, but it's not a given that the youth hockey phenoms will have heard of playing in the defensive zone.

More than scouting, I would think, is just how much respect Rod commands due to his no-nonsense approach and his ridiculous commitment to exercise and the sport of hockey.

You never know but it’s a good probability that By age 30 (probably sooner) Jarvis will be a RBA clone.

A leader, rock solid and a top player.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Pretty sweet and by a local artist...just in time for spring.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

That one costing 450 as well?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The fact that we were almost 1 inch from having no pick / covid helped us out because most below Jarvis haven’t done a ton, is quite luck. Of course taking a chance on Gunler and missing on some others subtracts a little.

You don't need every single pick to pan out. Jarvis, Nikishin, and Ponomaryov in one draft is more-than-good enough.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

You don't need every single pick to pan out. Jarvis, Nikishin, and Ponomaryov in one draft is more-than-good enough.

no reason we can’t be greedy

 

[Lempo]

no reason we can’t be greedy

The deadly sin thing though... couldn't we just hope that all our draft picks pan out real good so we can be happy for them and enjoy of their success as their fellow human beings.

 

[DaveG]

no reason we can’t be greedy

I mean that's exactly why you maximize the number of darts you have to throw at the board. Unless you're the 1989 Detroit Red Wings draft (seriously how the ever loving hell?!) you have at best a 30% chance after the first that any given pick will make it to the show for more than a handful of games, lower odds the later in the draft it goes, and probably about 20% chance at best that they ever become an impact player.

 

[ONO94]

I mean that's exactly why you maximize the number of darts you have to throw at the board. Unless you're the 1989 Detroit Red Wings draft (seriously how the ever loving hell?!) you have at best a 30% chance after the first that any given pick will make it to the show for more than a handful of games, lower odds the later in the draft it goes, and probably about 20% chance at best that they ever become an impact player.

Just remember--the Hartford Whalers picked one spot AHEAD of the Red Wings for that draft....

 

[chaz4hockey]

I mean that's exactly why you maximize the number of darts you have to throw at the board. Unless you're the 1989 Detroit Red Wings draft (seriously how the ever loving hell?!) you have at best a 30% chance after the first that any given pick will make it to the show for more than a handful of games, lower odds the later in the draft it goes, and probably about 20% chance at best that they ever become an impact player.

Red wings hiring of devellano that helped craft the isles great run was brilliant.

In 89, he had 2 great non first round picks while the isles at #2 overall picked David B. Chyzowski. GM’s matter.