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PK Cronin
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The Real JT
The crowd called out for more
While I don’t mean to make light of the charges, I’ll add this as an Isles fan.
We finally found the silver lining of having a thin prospect pool and few players on the WJC squads.
Indeed!
It looks like all of the inter-conference games went to the western conference teams while TB beat up the Flyers.
Throttle
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The Real JT
The crowd called out for more
At least his new orange jumpsuit will match his Flyers orange jersey.
Throttle
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Nice to see Westhead report on a possible criminal matter vs. being the voice puppet for a plaintiffs lawyer like his last major report. When he writes a book in < 5 years, you’ll know how he got paid for his work.
The Real JT
The crowd called out for more
The Flyers path to a wild card spot just got way more difficult and the Isles path somewhat easier.
Other than Colorado putting the beatdown on the Caps (Mackinnon with 4(!) goals - are u kiddin' me), we got no help last night.
Even Buffalo pulled out a 5-3 win in LA, overcoming a 3-1 deficit to do it.
Even Buffalo pulled out a 5-3 win in LA, overcoming a 3-1 deficit to do it.
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
How fair is that? PIT is where they are because they won those cups. Isles are where they are because they lost in back to back conference finals. Rather be PIT.
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
I hope part of this investigation and trial helps reveal how these kids learned their behavior. I don't think it excuses anything, but the experts who train youth coaches about abuse say the likelihood of athletes being victims or accessories to abuse increases in proportion to the level & seriousness of the athletes. Punishment covers one situation, changing the way a youth sport is governed & administered so that abusive "learning" never happens is incredibly important.
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
This is way out of the scope of my knowledge, and I'm sure asshats will be quick to call me out on trying to be an armchair psychologist, but I'm not. I just have a theory that reaching the status of professional athletes at the highest level or fortune 500 businesses involves a certain amount of superiority and narcissism. Until we stop worshipping athletes, this ain't stopping anytime soon.
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I think that's a big problem when children are growing up. Bad behavior is often brushed under the rug because sports are so important to people. Having organized sports integrated with our educational system is a negative to me. All too often athletes are given exceptions because of their performance in their sport and I think that negatively impacts everyone.
leeroggy
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Ego and self-confidence are not the same as narcissism and superiority.
Worshipping an athlete is not irrational and most high achievers are not there if not for the right attributes: hard work beyond even the higher levels, a desire to be as good as one can be and sometimes a little luck.
The vast majority of top athletes, performers, corporate leaders are also good people who give back.
The bad apples usually do not end up at the very pinnacle of anything, their behavior eventually causes their downfall.
At age 65, when I look back at my heroes as a kid, pretty much all of them ended up cherished, not disdained.
I can see how this kind of adulation creates arrogance, thoughtlessness, and conceitedness. I don't see how it incentivizes predation that utilizes specific methods. On the other hand, the drive of elite athletes means that they have so much more to lose by reporting predation. That imo is what binds together the Blackhawks case with this one. I think it is extremely likely that many more people knew about this, and said nothing because of what it could cost them.
Richie Daggers Crime
Boosted 9 times double masked they/them
Yeah, but that could be because of a lot of different factors that aren't related to the people themselves.
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Cool. Another sexual assault investigation for Team Canada from the 2002-03 WJC.
This sport is a mess and the culture around it is apparently rather disgusting. Hard to stay engaged and continue fandom when disgusting shit like this is happening among the players and then abetted by grown professional men across the country.
This sport is a mess and the culture around it is apparently rather disgusting. Hard to stay engaged and continue fandom when disgusting shit like this is happening among the players and then abetted by grown professional men across the country.
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It's likely that while this reckoning is happening, the players in the near future are going to less likely to be victimizers (and victims - I really do think that athletes being victims and/or are being taught to victimize is a big part of this story), and so *easier* to root for. Seems the wrong time to throw up one's hands.
leeroggy
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Just look at the movie Youngblood, and don't say it's just a movie, because there are enough true cultural issues in it:
Billet Mom seduces players, some below age of consent
The Shave . . . talk about a sick tradition that thankfully seems to have died out
The Bar Scene where underage boys and girls are served as if it is normal, and the Girls are harassed at the bar.
Kids move away from home at age 14? What could possibly go wrong in a system where 'in loco parentis' is practiced so frequently?
As for Hockey Canada, there's a special place in Hell for those who helped cover up sexual assaults, alongside Mr. Epstein.
And let's never forget what Sheldon Kennedy and Theo Fleury went through
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Age of Consent to Sexual Activity
Consent to sexual activity
The age of consent is the age at which a young person can legally agree to sexual activity. Age of consent laws apply to all forms of sexual activity, ranging from kissing and fondling to sexual intercourse.All sexual activity without consent is a criminal offence, regardless of age.
These are serious offences that carry serious penalties, including mandatory minimum penalties.
Canada's age of consent
The age of consent to sexual activity is 16 years. In some cases, the age of consent is higher (for example, when there is a relationship of trust, authority or dependency).In other words, a person must be at least 16 years old to be able to legally agree to sexual activity.
Close in age exceptions
A 14 or 15 year old can consent to sexual activity as long as the partner is less than five years older and there is no relationship of trust, authority or dependency or any other exploitation of the young person. This means that if the partner is 5 years or older than the 14 or 15 year old, any sexual activity is a criminal offence.There is also a "close in age" exception for 12 and 13 year olds. A 12 or 13 year old can consent to sexual activity with a partner as long as the partner is less than two years older and there is no relationship of trust, authority or dependency or any other exploitation of the young person. This means that if the partner is 2 years or older than the 12 or 13 year old, any sexual activity is a criminal offence.
Sexual exploitation
A 16 or 17 year old cannot consent to sexual activity if:- their sexual partner is in position of trust or authority towards them, for example their teacher or coach
- the young person is dependent on their sexual partner, for example for care or support
- the relationship between the young person and their sexual partner is exploitative
- the young person's age
- the age difference between the young person and their partner
- how the relationship developed (for example, quickly, secretly, or over the internet)
- whether the partner may have controlled or influenced the young person
Sexual offences
The Criminal Code protects all Canadians from sexual abuse and exploitation. For example, it protects everyone, including children, against:- sexual assault
- sexual assault with a weapon
- aggravated sexual assault
- voyeurism
- trafficking in persons
- non-consensual distribution of intimate images
Child sexual offences
The Criminal Code also protects children through child-specific offences including:- sexual interference
- invitation to sexual touching
- sexual exploitation
Child pornography
Child pornography is broadly defined and includes:- any representation of a person who is, or is depicted as being, under the age of 18 years, engaged in explicit sexual activity
- any representation whose dominant characteristic is the depiction of the sexual organs or anal region of a person under the age of 18 years for a sexual purpose
- written, visual and audio material that advocates or counsels unlawful sexual activity with a person under the age of 18
- written, visual and audio material whose dominant characteristic is the description of unlawful sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 for a sexual purpose
- made
- distributed
- made available
- sold
- possessed or accessed
- advertised
- exported or imported
Luring a child
It is against the law for anyone to use the internet to communicate with a young person in order to commit a sexual or abduction offence against that young person. This offence is sometimes called "internet luring." The maximum penalty for this offence is 14 years.Exposure
It is against the law for anyone to expose their genital organs for a sexual purpose to a person under the age of 16 years. The maximum penalty for this offence is 2 years.Child prostitution
It is against the law for anyone to:- purchase the sexual services of a person under the age of 18 years
- materially benefit from child prostitution
- encourage or incite a person under the age of 18 to participate in prostitution
Child sex tourism
It is against the law for a Canadian or permanent resident to travel outside of Canada and engage in any sexual activity with a young person that is against the law in Canada. If the person is not prosecuted in the country where the offence is alleged to have occurred, the person could be prosecuted in Canada. If convicted, the person would face the same penalty as if that offence had occurred in Canada.Provincial and territorial child protection legislation
In addition to these criminal laws against child sexual abuse and exploitation, each province and territory has its own child welfare laws to protect children against abuse, exploitation and neglect.- Status
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