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PK Cronin
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Did a quick look around and can't seem to find it, but I really don't think I'm imaging it. Maybe someone else can remember exactly.
The way I remember it going was that he held a press conference initially about the trade, then a short time later there was another one where he clarified that stipulation of the deal being that the Islanders would have the option to trade the pick. Him using the word option really stuck out to me. It's possible he just used poor wording though. I don't see Kurz or Gross having reported on it so I'm not sure who I would've seen mention it. Unfortunately I can't find a place that has all of Lamoriello's interviews to figure it out.
If I'm mistaken, my bad. I doubt the Islanders would trade the pick if they were picking in the top 12 though (why create the protection if you don't plan on using it).
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Found this YouTube video, which I hadn't previously watched, mention it. At the beginning he mentioned it came from Kevin Kurz so I'll take a look through some of his articles on the Athletic when I have time.
Thank you.
What he says makes a little sense, even if this isn't an official source of any note.
I wonder why that isn't detailed in the textual description/stipulation that has been shown at CF or TSN?
And I guess that my strong, strong belief in the clout of this draft has me absolutely wanting to think there is no way we wouldn't use a top 12 pick in this draft in we were to have one.
Truth be told, I can't see any advantage to NOT keeping it, if you have it.
I mean, even putting the strength of this draft aside, if Lou doesn't want to be picking this summer because he wants something more immediate, then you keep it and use it in another trade for the here and now. It's a powerful poker chip. And it would get more powerful as the draft - and its hype - approach.
But also, WTF message do you send to, like, everyone, by retaining the 2024 pick as opposed to a top 12 pick in such a highly, highly touted draft?
That you think you MIGHT have an even better draft position next year - by being worse???
That you'd rather keep next year's pick so as to dish it off too somewhere along the line when the need arises???
The latter is the only reason I can think of why Lou, if it's possible, would defer a top 12 pick this summer as opposed to keeping it.
And again I'll mention - I've never in my 35 years of intensively following this sport seen a team move 4 straight first rounders without already being in the midst of winning Stanley Cups, as in having one or more under the belt while still competing for more. I think we can officially call this "unorthodox".
So, if this team isn't in the playoffs, it's clearly best for the organization to be adding a hopeful bluechipper (and I see many candidates for that throughout the first round) this summer. And I think that's the reason for the top 12 protected stipulation whatsoever.
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Thank you.
What he says makes a little sense, even if this isn't an official source of any note.
I wonder why that isn't detailed in the textual description/stipulation that has been shown at CF or TSN?
And I guess that my strong, strong belief in the clout of this draft has me absolutely wanting to think there is no way we wouldn't use a top 12 pick in this draft in we were to have one.
Truth be told, I can't see any advantage to NOT keeping it, if you have it.
I mean, even putting the strength of this draft aside, if Lou doesn't want to be picking this summer because he wants something more immediate, then you keep it and use it in another trade for the here and now. It's a powerful poker chip. And it would get more powerful as the draft - and its hype - approach.
But also, WTF message do you send to, like, everyone, by retaining the 2024 pick as opposed to a top 12 pick in such a highly, highly touted draft?
That you think you MIGHT have an even better draft position next year - by being worse???
That you'd rather keep next year's pick so as to dish it off too somewhere along the line when the need arises???
The latter is the only reason I can think of why Lou, if it's possible, would defer a top 12 pick this summer as opposed to keeping it.
And again I'll mention - I've never in my 35 years of intensively following this sport seen a team move 4 straight first rounders without already being in the midst of winning Stanley Cups, as in having one or more under the belt while still competing for more. I think we can officially call this "unorthodox".
So, if this team isn't in the playoffs, it's clearly best for the organization to be adding a hopeful bluechipper (and I see many candidates for that throughout the first round) this summer. And I think that's the reason for the top 12 protected stipulation whatsoever.
If I find anything else I'll let you know. Going from memory, TSN and the other sources might not have picked up on it because it was clarified well after the initial buzz of the trade. It's tough to track down because if you search for Lou Lamoriello you get inundated with fan made analysis videos and you run the risk of him sending a hitman to your location to stop you from finding anything out.
I think you're spot on for why you'd want to get rid of this one and keep next year, it only works if Lamoriello plans on tanking really hard next year.
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FWIW, I remember it as you stated. I also think it was from Kurz. But on a quick search, I couldn't find it either.
Also @Chapin Landvogt , your right on Lou not likely to send over any pick that he does not have to. When he had to forfeit a pick due to the Kovalchuk restructuring, he elected to keep the 29th overall after the Devils lost to the Kings in the SC finals in 2013. He was essentially sending the message that he didn't think they could finish lower than 29 out of 30 teams the following year... meaning he expected the organization to carry themselves as if they were winning the cup in 2014.
I think he was not only trying to send a message that you always expect to win a cup; BUT I also believe, that he expected that the NHL would eventually rescind the forfeit. They did somewhat, making their 2014 pick the 30th overall regardless of where they finished.
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The Real JT
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Today’s ray of sunshine.
Tavares scored a PP goal in his last game a 5-2 loss. He was a -4 for the game (that’s hard to do) and now has the second worst +/- on his team at -7.
Tavares scored a PP goal in his last game a 5-2 loss. He was a -4 for the game (that’s hard to do) and now has the second worst +/- on his team at -7.
Happy retirement to Isles legend Peter Regin at eliteprospects.com
To those who care (Passover starts tonight!!) - if Devon Levi pans out for Buffalo (he's had quite a start), all of the NY & area teams will have Jewish stars *except* for NYI. (Adam Fox & Jack Hughes are the others). Ah well.
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What?
Josh Bailowitz?
Brock Nelsonschmidt?
Mat Barzalsky?
Oliver Wahlberg?
and, of course . . . Cal Cutterbuck-Bernstein . . . he dropped his mom's name when drafted
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Must win.
We have Scott Malkin
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Must win.
Just a random hockey item-
Saw a goalie tonight all in black. Skates, pads, glove, blocker, helmet. All solid black. Stick all black too - except the paddle. White tape on the paddle. You look quick, and looks like 5 hole wide open but nope! stick is there. Everything else is just a black hole. Pretty good idea I think.
Saw a goalie tonight all in black. Skates, pads, glove, blocker, helmet. All solid black. Stick all black too - except the paddle. White tape on the paddle. You look quick, and looks like 5 hole wide open but nope! stick is there. Everything else is just a black hole. Pretty good idea I think.
Probably do not want another goal scored here because they’ll pull Vas and start him tomorrow
PK Cronin
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It's an interesting idea. I wonder if that helps or hurts getting quick whistles.
3-0 lead is hardest lead to hold
Dunno. I bet makes the shooter have to think for an additional split second at least, which probably helps.
PK Cronin
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Players do the same thing with black tape on their sticks. Not sure I've ever encountered a goalie wearing all black equipment before. I'd probably pass it to someone who knows how to score.
The Real JT
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On last night’s Devils’ broadcast they mentioned how their PP had improved. They quoted a stat showing their team to be near the top of the league in seam passes on the PP.
Interesting stat. I tried to find it to no avail. As an Isles fan with PP envy I can’t help but think that our guys must be the league’s worst at that stat.
Interesting stat. I tried to find it to no avail. As an Isles fan with PP envy I can’t help but think that our guys must be the league’s worst at that stat.
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