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[Stickpucker]

How about Stefan Noesen? ...who has a bigger body, can go dig in the corners, play more physical than Jarvis....has a better shooting % and scored just as much with 4 min less TOI/game than Jarvis. I think he's earned time next to Aho, Necas and will be more effective in the playoffs at this point just due to being larger and not getting blasted 2-3x/game.

Heck...I like Martinook with Aho more with where Jarvis is right now. He does a good job helping create space and he still has some skill.

If Rod likes Jarvis' defense maybe put him on the line with Staal and see if they can spring him for some odd man rushes or he can use his playmaking to get the puck to Staal between the dots and hope he doesn't snipe the goalie's chest.

Either way I think Noesen is the guy who deserves a bump in play time with these injuries to see what he can do.

 

[bleedgreen]

How about Stefan Noesen? ...who has a bigger body, can go dig in the corners, play more physical than Jarvis....has a better shooting % and scored just as much with 4 min less TOI/game than Jarvis. I think he's earned time next to Aho, Necas and will be more effective in the playoffs at this point just due to being larger and not getting blasted 2-3x/game.

Heck...I like Martinook with Aho more with where Jarvis is right now. He does a good job helping create space and he still has some skill.

If Rod likes Jarvis' defense maybe put him on the line with Staal and see if they can spring him for some odd man rushes or he can use his playmaking to get the puck to Staal between the dots and hope he doesn't snipe the goalie's chest.

Either way I think Noesen is the guy who deserves a bump in play time with these injuries to see what he can do.

I don’t disagree about how Noesen has had a good season but that guy is a really bad skater. It’s hard to saddle Aho or Necas with that. His shooting percentage reflects his usage. If he was playing top six all year it’s hard to imagine he’d still have it.

Skilled guys being stuck with Staal has never really working out well for the skill guys, outside of arguably Nino who made the most of a lot of chances he created himself. If you think Nino is a skill guy.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Both Noesen and Martinook have had recent auditions higher in the lineup as they've tried new things. They both have their pluses and minuses up there like Jarvis.

 

[Svechhammer]

Jarvis' limitations are physical. He gets blown off the puck too easily and is still a bit of a lightweight in hits and all.

But that will be resolved by more years in the NHL weight room and more work with the trainers. He's still a bull who works his ass off along the boards, has a good shot, is very quick on his skates, and is able to find the soft spot in the zone. The second he's stronger on his skates he's going to explode in this league.

 

[bleedgreen]

Jarvis' limitations are physical. He gets blown off the puck too easily and is still a bit of a lightweight in hits and all.

But that will be resolved by more years in the NHL weight room and more work with the trainers. He's still a bull who works his ass off along the boards, has a good shot, is very quick on his skates, and is able to find the soft spot in the zone. The second he's stronger on his skates he's going to explode in this league.

Let’s just recall how light Necas was.

 

[Lempo]

If you think Nino is a skill guy.

I think he's fuel, he's fire, and a forward of high tier.

 

[Rad ChaLose]

If Rod likes Jarvis' defense maybe put him on the line with Staal and see if they can spring him for some odd man rushes or he can use his playmaking to get the puck to Staal between the dots and hope he doesn't snipe the goalie's chest.

Hahahahah

 

[NotOpie]

Jarvis' limitations are physical. He gets blown off the puck too easily and is still a bit of a lightweight in hits and all.

But that will be resolved by more years in the NHL weight room and more work with the trainers. He's still a bull who works his ass off along the boards, has a good shot, is very quick on his skates, and is able to find the soft spot in the zone. The second he's stronger on his skates he's going to explode in this league.

Yeah, I think this is a good bit of it. He also seems to have lost his shot a bit. Last season if felt like he had an ability to put his wrister where he wanted. Feels like there's less of that. Some of this is that he's being covered more effectively, but still....I think there's some off season work to be done with his shot.

 

[ndp]

 

[Tryamw]

Not all 1's? Kill them!..

 

[Joe McGrath]

I've always thought they should go the other way and make a Bobby Orr trophy for best offensive defenseman and the Norris would shift back to the defensive or well rounded side as a consequence of that.

But hell, create both. Forwards nearly always get the Hart + Lindsay, plus there's the Art Ross and the Rocket Richard. And I'm also in favor of a Gretzky award for assists.

Calling an offensive defenseman trophy the Bobby Orr is a disservice to Bobby Orr because he was also tremendous defensively.

Paul Coffey trophy maybe?

 

[Chrispy]

I knew they were playing heavy dump and chase, but seeing the numbers is another thing entirely.

 

[Daeavorn]

this tweeter has an interesting comment. I dont know enough about hockey to know if hes wrong or not.

"Is it just me or does this strongly support the notion that the
@Canes
’ lack of scoring isn’t because they don’t have a pure natural goal-scorer but rather because they don’t have a transition game?"

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

this tweeter has an interesting comment. I dont know enough about hockey to know if hes wrong or not.

"Is it just me or does this strongly support the notion that the
@Canes
’ lack of scoring isn’t because they don’t have a pure natural goal-scorer but rather because they don’t have a transition game?"

Probably both, right? And I think the transition game is a combination of lack of skills and system.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

You can’t counterattack if you have the puck. 5v5 in-zone offense is pretty basic: cycle —> low probability point shot —> retrieve. Repeat. They’re really good at that.

It’s important to note that they haven’t lost recent series 5v5. Tampa was only +1. The Rangers ended up +3, a function of the Canes having to chase in Game 7. Special teams has been the difference. The inability to score on the power play feeds into that puck possession trap.

 

[bleedgreen]

We’ve always had the players for a good transition game under Rod. Transition comes from defense and having good two way guys. We have excellent two way defenseman. We transition really quickly as well, the whole defensive scheme is designed to get it out of the zone quickly. The problem is system to me, as that get it out of the zone quickly is followed by “by any means possible”. I watched the Rangers feed the other night and they were amazed by how many flip passes we make out of the zone. We even scored off one of them by pure luck. That’s where transition dies. We don’t care about tape to tape and effective flow out of the zone as much as we want to forecheck so flip it out quickly and go chase it down. That’s zero transition. It’s a waste of our defensive group at times. It’s worked though. We use our defensive mobility to instead pinch deep frequently on forechecks and cycles. Also frequently noted by most other broadcasts, who are amazed at how often and deep our D pinches to keep cycles going. They see it as part of the key to our success.

This system also helped a guy like Skjei settle down. He really struggled with puck poise. Now he has a partner who can cover for most mistakes and he knows he just needs to flip it out, pinch, and throw pucks at the net when he can. He’s also learned how to go over the glove from the left side, almost every goal he’s scored went there.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

How is it that the offense is 32nd for possession entries but the defense is 1st? Does this mean that our defenders are the best in the league at entering the O-zone with possession but our forwards are worst in the league at that?

The numbers on the rush offense ring true. The only rush goals we seem to score are shorthanded. On the one hand, I'd like to see our team do a better job at rushing the puck up the zone and creating chances. On the other hand, our whole scheme is based on the cycle, slowly earning space in the zone pass-by-pass and by winning board battles, and on getting rebounds and tips from point shots.

It has to be the most fun thing in the world to be a defenseman playing for Rod. To be a forward, it seems like their has to be adjustment from other teams.

 

[bleedgreen]

How is it that the offense is 32nd for possession entries but the defense is 1st? Does this mean that our defenders are the best in the league at entering the O-zone with possession but our forwards are worst in the league at that?

The numbers on the rush offense ring true. The only rush goals we seem to score are shorthanded. On the one hand, I'd like to see our team do a better job at rushing the puck up the zone and creating chances. On the other hand, our whole scheme is based on the cycle, slowly earning space in the zone pass-by-pass and by winning board battles, and on getting rebounds and tips from point shots.

It has to be the most fun thing in the world to be a defenseman playing for Rod. To be a forward, it seems like their has to be adjustment from other teams.

You’re not going to get the forwards many offensive zone entries with possession on an obsessively old school dump and chase team like us. The D rush forward when there’s space as much as they can, take the line when it’s there as often as they can, then get it deep. The forwards just dump it as they approach the line then go get it.

It takes the blue line out of the equation on the offensive side. Games at this level are often won and lost at the blue lines. You can’t cough it up there or the transition kills you either through immediate goals or pp goals after you haul them down. Our system does everything it can do to eliminate this issue. This is the occasional criticism of our team from fans who wanted to see Svech dangle more like he did in junior, things like that. The player has to sacrifice it to play for us. No dangles at the blue line. It’s why TT has always been a curiosity as he’s a possession guy and always pushes the boundaries of the system. He’s been the one guy that always got some leash. Early on he was one of the only offensive threats so I think that was the reason, and now he doesn’t do it as often.

 

[Chrispy]

How is it that the offense is 32nd for possession entries but the defense is 1st? Does this mean that our defenders are the best in the league at entering the O-zone with possession but our forwards are worst in the league at that?

The numbers on the rush offense ring true. The only rush goals we seem to score are shorthanded. On the one hand, I'd like to see our team do a better job at rushing the puck up the zone and creating chances. On the other hand, our whole scheme is based on the cycle, slowly earning space in the zone pass-by-pass and by winning board battles, and on getting rebounds and tips from point shots.

It has to be the most fun thing in the world to be a defenseman playing for Rod. To be a forward, it seems like their has to be adjustment from other teams.

Offense is the worst in the league at entering the O-zone with possession.

Defense is best in the league at preventing the opposing team from entering the O-zone with possession.

It's not positional, it's who has the puck.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You’re not going to get the forwards many offensive zone entries with possession on an obsessively old school dump and chase team like us. The D rush forward when there’s space as much as they can, take the line when it’s there as often as they can, then get it deep. The forwards just dump it as they approach the line then go get it.

It takes the blue line out of the equation on the offensive side. Games at this level are often won and lost at the blue lines. You can’t cough it up there or the transition kills you either through immediate goals or pp goals after you haul them down. Our system does everything it can do to eliminate this issue. This is the occasional criticism of our team from fans who wanted to see Svech dangle more like he did in junior, things like that. The player has to sacrifice it to play for us. No dangles at the blue line. It’s why TT has always been a curiosity as he’s a possession guy and always pushes the boundaries of the system. He’s been the one guy that always got some leash. Early on he was one of the only offensive threats so I think that was the reason, and now he doesn’t do it as often.

This is one of those cases where "fancy stats" actually give us some insight about the eye test. 2nd place team in the league with a great Corsi game is dead last in possession entries? What? How? With the explanation you just laid out, the fancy stats make sense, and the Canes' offense starts looking more visually coherent.

Last night, a guy sitting behind me was losing his ever loving mind at the dump-ins. Like he was screaming loud f-bombs in front of little kids he was so mad. That guy could have used a Valium and then an explanation like the one above.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Probably both, right? And I think the transition game is a combination of lack of skills and system.

Necas and Aho should be scoring in transition. Jarvis too. The other part of it is they don’t have the same kinds of transitions because they deny zone entries so well. You score in transition more when the opponent has zone time, a D pinches, and then a 2 on 1 happens.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

We’ve always had the players for a good transition game under Rod. Transition comes from defense and having good two way guys. We have excellent two way defenseman. We transition really quickly as well, the whole defensive scheme is designed to get it out of the zone quickly. The problem is system to me, as that get it out of the zone quickly is followed by “by any means possible”. I watched the Rangers feed the other night and they were amazed by how many flip passes we make out of the zone. We even scored off one of them by pure luck. That’s where transition dies. We don’t care about tape to tape and effective flow out of the zone as much as we want to forecheck so flip it out quickly and go chase it down. That’s zero transition. It’s a waste of our defensive group at times. It’s worked though. We use our defensive mobility to instead pinch deep frequently on forechecks and cycles. Also frequently noted by most other broadcasts, who are amazed at how often and deep our D pinches to keep cycles going. They see it as part of the key to our success.

This system also helped a guy like Skjei settle down. He really struggled with puck poise. Now he has a partner who can cover for most mistakes and he knows he just needs to flip it out, pinch, and throw pucks at the net when he can. He’s also learned how to go over the glove from the left side, almost every goal he’s scored went there.

I know you eventually came around to complimenting the system … but I’ll nitpick “the problem” up near the top of the post. I guess I don’t see the problem. Second place in the league, getting to be a long history of being “a good team,” all with what I’d consider no true offensive superstar and honestly a dearth of highly skilled players. Seems to work? Insert shrug emoji

 

[AD Skinner]

Not to put words in anyone’s mouth but I don’t think he’s saying “the problem” as in this system doesn’t work. I think he’s saying the reason the stats look the way they do is the system emphasizing getting the puck out no matter what over getting the puck out while maintaining control

 

[bleedgreen]

I know you eventually came around to complimenting the system … but I’ll nitpick “the problem” up near the top of the post. I guess I don’t see the problem. Second place in the league, getting to be a long history of being “a good team,” all with what I’d consider no true offensive superstar and honestly a dearth of highly skilled players. Seems to work? Insert shrug emoji

Well I’m not sure you’re quoting the post in context. I don’t know that I feel there’s a problem. There was a discussion going on about how we aren’t a good transition team, and is it a personnel issue vs system based. I made my case for it being systemic in the post and gave my reasons why. So in my post the “problem” is where I’m describing how it’s systemic, not that I think it’s really an actual problem because I agree with you. It’s working. I probably should’ve put problem in italics in the post your quoted.

The system can be boring and doesn’t use the d’s skills but winning is exciting.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Well I’m not sure you’re quoting the post in context. I don’t know that I feel there’s a problem. There was a discussion going on about how we aren’t a good transition team, and is it a personnel issue vs system based. I made my case for it being systemic in the post and gave my reasons why. So in my post the “problem” is where I’m describing how it’s systemic, not that I think it’s really an actual problem because I agree with you. It’s working. I probably should’ve put problem in italics in the post your quoted.

The system can be boring and doesn’t use the d’s skills but winning is exciting.

So we are the UVa of hockey?