News and notes XXXX: Mascot is in their place cuz its Anniversary season time

[ndp]

TT weighs in on his season. I didn't realize that half of his points last year came from the PP.

Given his stoic nature, in general, he's a hard read but he comes across as a bit resigned to me. I hope he can turn things around like Necas.

The eternal Debbie Downer side of me really thinks we’re seeing the end of TT as a Hurricane . I think maybe we’re also seeing a player who has lost a little confidence in the coaching staff. Which sucks because I don’t think TT gets enough credit for his role in helping drag this team back into the playoff picture. IMO the emergence of Slavin and Pesce, drafting Aho and the TT trade are what helped spark the rebuild that eventually got the Hurricanes back into relevancy.

I really wish I could find it, or even remember what game it was last season. But there was a game that was either tied, or the Hurricanes were up a goal late in the 3rd opposing team either had an empty net and/or possibly on a power play or both. Rod called a timeout and he and Timmy were going over the face off with the players. TT kept pointing at the whiteboard shaking his head and saying something and it looked like him and Timmy got a little heated. Puck drop, opposing team runs a set play and immediately scores. TT skated back to the bench shaking his head and giving Timmy the absolute laser eye death stare. Timmy wouldn’t even look at him.

That incident reminded me of an interview I read with Cooper a few years ago where he was discussing analytics. He was saying how many players are into the analytics side of stats because it’s become a bargaining tool for agents when it’s time to negotiate contracts. Cooper was saying that in his opinion if you don’t have a coaching staff that’s up to date on that kind of stuff then players quickly loose confidence in their coaches. And he said when a player looses confidence in the coaching it’s over, time for somebody to move on, that relationship is really hard to repair.

 

[LakeLivin]

Did you hear the one about the nuns who were sitting on a park bench when a group of nudists walked by? One of the nuns had a stroke. The other couldn't reach

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think the bigger impediment to TT re-signing with Carolina is that he'll be 30 to start his next contract and the Canes history has been to move on from non-core guys in that 28-30 range (Tro, Nino, Hamilton) if they aren't seen as core. I don't think Carolina sees him as core.

I do agree that TT doesn't get enough credit here among fans and even the media; and too many attribute most of his success to Aho. What's interesting is that Rod has always gushed about Teuvo to the media...how he plays the right way, how smart he is, etc...even when fans were complaining about a slump or his reported "lack of conditioning".

Unfortunately, I do think if it looks like they won't re-sign him, I could see them moving him in the off-season like they did with Faulk. I'd hate to see it as I think he still has a lot of hockey left in him.

 

[AD Skinner]

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This is my favorite nun joke

 

[LakeLivin]

This is my favorite nun joke

Yeah, when I saw it the first time I'd have done an involuntary spit take if I was drinking anything right then.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Back to the Brady Skjei discussion, this is one of the biggest "steal" trades from our franchise history. A low first for 4 years (plus 7 games and a playoff run) of an elite 2nd pairing defensemen at a fair cap value. He's really played like a #2 defenseman for most of this time. This year and last year he is a 40 point defenseman who barely plays on the power play. Straight wizardry.

The chances of the #22 overall in 2020 being as good as Brady Skjei are low. That player Hendrix Lapierre I think was a good draft pick, but I'd be surprised if he ends up making us regret the trade (assuming we would have picked him at that spot).

I think the lesson learned here is that we as an organization have a huge advantage because we have excellent leadership and coaching. If you put a talented player like Brady Skjei on the 2015 Carolina Hurricanes instead of the 2020 Carolina Hurricanes, I don't think he has the same "renaissance".

The same thing may or may not play out with Jesperi Kotkaniemi. We bought low on him, signed him for a long time, and we're hoping he develops to a middle 6 talent. Time will tell. Right now we're giving him playing time and coaching. I think for him it's a matter of skating, and he still has a ways to go.

For the long term of the franchise, it's best to look for similar deals to the Skjei deal. Find a depreciated asset, pay the lower cost, and give him time to play and grow in our system. What makes players like Skjei a good buy is he has great size and elite skating ability.

Like someone else posted a while ago, I'm not sure we'll re-sign Skjei because he'll be 30 when he needs a new contract, and I don't know how long the elite skating will last into his 30s. I will bang on the drum of we can probably still re-sign him for like 6 years and then trade him when he is 33 at worst as a zero cost asset, like McDonagh.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Back to the Brady Skjei discussion, this is one of the biggest "steal" trades from our franchise history. A low first for 4 years (plus 7 games and a playoff run) of an elite 2nd pairing defensemen at a fair cap value. He's really played like a #2 defenseman for most of this time. This year and last year he is a 40 point defenseman who barely plays on the power play. Straight wizardry.

The chances of the #22 overall in 2020 being as good as Brady Skjei are low. That player Hendrix Lapierre I think was a good draft pick, but I'd be surprised if he ends up making us regret the trade (assuming we would have picked him at that spot).

I think the lesson learned here is that we as an organization have a huge advantage because we have excellent leadership and coaching. If you put a talented player like Brady Skjei on the 2015 Carolina Hurricanes instead of the 2020 Carolina Hurricanes, I don't think he has the same "renaissance".

The same thing may or may not play out with Jesperi Kotkaniemi. We bought low on him, signed him for a long time, and we're hoping he develops to a middle 6 talent. Time will tell. Right now we're giving him playing time and coaching. I think for him it's a matter of skating, and he still has a ways to go.

For the long term of the franchise, it's best to look for similar deals to the Skjei deal. Find a depreciated asset, pay the lower cost, and give him time to play and grow in our system. What makes players like Skjei a good buy is he has great size and elite skating ability.

Like someone else posted a while ago, I'm not sure we'll re-sign Skjei because he'll be 30 when he needs a new contract, and I don't know how long the elite skating will last into his 30s. I will bang on the drum of we can probably still re-sign him for like 6 years and then trade him when he is 33 at worst as a zero cost asset, like McDonagh.

Wasn't it Brayden Schneider?

 

[MinJaBen]

Wasn't it Brayden Schneider?

That’s who the Rangers took, but they traded up a few spots, I believe.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That’s who the Rangers took, but they traded up a few spots, I believe.

correct. They traded the Canes 1st and a 3rd round pick to move up from 22 OA to 19 OA and draft Schneider

 

[tarheelhockey]

Would the demand really be that big, though? I get that it was your childhood team and that those ties run very deep. But how big was hockey in the area before the Canes came in? I wonder how big the IceCaps fan base actually was and what kind of crowds they were drawing? And how many of those fans are still around 15 years later?

Don't get me wrong, I think it would be cool if more IceCaps gear were available (I like minor league baseball gear a lot more than MLB gear). I'm just wondering how practical it would be from a business perspective as compared to the Whale which has become somewhat of an iconic national brand.

edit: I looked it up and announced average attendance ranged between 3091 and 5062 for the years they were in Raleigh (I ignored the last partial season they were there). No idea how that translates to likely number of fans still in the area 15 years later.

It’s a hard truth, but this is the reality of market demand for Icecaps gear. How many people are really going to drop $200+ on that jersey? If there are onlu a couple hundred buyers, it doesn’t make financial sense. They’ll take a big chunk out of that just through the auction.

Fortunately there are some options outside the Canes:

Raleigh Icecaps Hockey Men/Unisex T-Shirt

Founded in 1991, the Raleigh IceCaps were a professional hockey team located in Raleigh, North Carolina. Shop Allegiant Goods apparel and other home goods today

www.allegiantgoods.co

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Wasn't it Brayden Schneider?

Correct. I meant at the exact draft value of the #22, which is what that pick ended up being from us winning the play-ins against the Rangers and losing in the "second" round (but really the round of 16).

 

[Navin R Slavin]

It’s a hard truth, but this is the reality of market demand for Icecaps gear. How many people are really going to drop $200+ on that jersey? If there are onlu a couple hundred buyers, it doesn’t make financial sense. They’ll take a big chunk out of that just through the auction.

Fortunately there are some options outside the Canes:

Raleigh Icecaps Hockey Men/Unisex T-Shirt

Founded in 1991, the Raleigh IceCaps were a professional hockey team located in Raleigh, North Carolina. Shop Allegiant Goods apparel and other home goods today

www.allegiantgoods.co

Yeah, Icecaps night sort of drove home for me how niche and aging the Icecaps market is; it occurred to me that if you remember an Icecaps game in person, you are very likely to be in your 40s at least. I went with my vintage jersey expecting to feel awesomely retro, and instead I just felt old. The kids don't give a shit about our 90s ECHL hockey history; why should they? They've got lots of cool Canes memories of their own. Having some simple retro tees is more than enough to service this niche.

 

[ONO94]

Would the demand really be that big, though? I get that it was your childhood team and that those ties run very deep. But how big was hockey in the area before the Canes came in? I wonder how big the IceCaps fan base actually was and what kind of crowds they were drawing? And how many of those fans are still around 15 years later?

Don't get me wrong, I think it would be cool if more IceCaps gear were available (I like minor league baseball gear a lot more than MLB gear). I'm just wondering how practical it would be from a business perspective as compared to the Whale which has become somewhat of an iconic national brand.

edit: I looked it up and announced average attendance ranged between 3091 and 5062 for the years they were in Raleigh (I ignored the last partial season they were there). No idea how that translates to likely number of fans still in the area 15 years later.

Related to the popularity of Hockey in the IceCaps era--the rumor I heard was there were less than 50 youth hockey players in the Triangle before the Canes and by 2012, there were over 1,000. No idea if that stat is true--but I can believe it. When the Caps got here, I think only Hillsborough at the old Daniel Boone and Cary had Ice Rinks. Now, Hillsborough has a much upgraded facility, Cary still has their crappy 3/4 sheet of ice and Raleigh/Morrisville/Garner/Wake Forest have at least 6 sheets of ice between them.

 

[hblueridgegal]

So precious.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So precious.

that was great. thanks for sharing.

 

[MadeUpName]

It’s a hard truth, but this is the reality of market demand for Icecaps gear. How many people are really going to drop $200+ on that jersey? If there are onlu a couple hundred buyers, it doesn’t make financial sense. They’ll take a big chunk out of that just through the auction.

Fortunately there are some options outside the Canes:

Raleigh Icecaps Hockey Men/Unisex T-Shirt

Founded in 1991, the Raleigh IceCaps were a professional hockey team located in Raleigh, North Carolina. Shop Allegiant Goods apparel and other home goods today

www.allegiantgoods.co

FWIW I talked to the people who deal with the auctions and they said that right now there are only plans to auction the 4 that were already sold. Each player had the option to buy their IceCaps jersey if they wanted. The rest went to the Foundation. They said they save stuff like that for Casino/Game night and other events.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

 

[the halleJOKEL]

stop the count

 

[MinJaBen]

Boston has a higher percentage of getting into the playoffs, but less of a chance to win them then we do?!? Yeah, I don't like their model very much.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Boston has a higher percentage of getting into the playoffs, but less of a chance to win them then we do?!? Yeah, I don't like their model very much.

Atlantic we’ll be tougher to get out of. Also why i hate the current playoff format. No incentive to being a great regular season team.

 

[MinJaBen]

Atlantic we’ll be tougher to get out of. Also why i hate the current playoff format. Bo incentive to being a great regular season team.

I don't believe that matters. They are playing the worst team to make the playoffs in the East, whether or not it is an Atlantic team or a Metro team, to start. Then they play Tampa or the Leafs (lol, they play Tampa). Two very good teams. We play a better WC team, then play the Rangers or the Devils, also two very good teams. Then we and Boston are playing each other or are out of it. If it goes chalk, we are playing the harder team. All of that suggests we have the harder path to the finals then they do, to me.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Boston has a higher percentage of getting into the playoffs, but less of a chance to win them then we do?!? Yeah, I don't like their model very much.

The model is the model, so suck it haters!

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I don't believe that matters. They are playing the worst team to make the playoffs in the East, whether or not it is an Atlantic team or a Metro team, to start. Then they play Tampa or the Leafs (lol, they play Tampa). Two very good teams. We play a better WC team, then play the Rangers or the Devils, also two very good teams. Then we and Boston are playing each other or are out of it. If it goes chalk, we are playing the harder team. All of that suggests we have the harder path to the finals then they do, to me.

Yes Boston has an easier opponent in round 1 but I dont think the winning percentages for a win over a WC will be a drastic difference. The 2nd round is likely where the large altering in the winning percentage is.

I would say Tampa is a much tougher team for Boston to get through than the Rangers or NJ. I would put Toronto over NJ as well.

To add: if the Rangers or NJ makes a big trade deadline acquisition, you would probably see our odds dip below Boston's again. Or Boston making that big add too. With Tro dragging some lately, I could see Rangers gunning for Horvat. They could be going to Meier or Kane too. Granted all of those would be rental situations as they dont have the space for a long term deal.

Boston will likely make a big push. how many more real shots do they have really? With the performance bonuses hitting next season they will have around 17 million to fill their roster, with or without Pasta.

 

[Stickpucker]

Would the alcohol poisoning or diabetes get me first?

Just have it with a 4 pc supremes meal and you got the tri-force for young death...diabetes, alcohol poisoning, and heart attack!

So I should’ve drank more alcohol instead of eating all those carbs

stick to the hard stuff!

 

[Svechhammer]

You almost have to respect the league for committing to the bit at this point