News and Notes Thread 10: Where all media bias gets beaten to death

[tarheelhockey]

Fugu, izzat you? There's one Business Board thread NOW. That doesn't count all the one-off posts about how crappy a market a Raleigh is, let alone Tackla's continuing vendetta against us.

Tackla is just one Hartfordian with an axe to grind.

And there are more posts here needlessly bashing Winnipeg than there are on BOH needlessly bashing Raleigh. If a Jets fan wanders in here randomly and sees that, then they feel justified bashing us elsewhere. Then we see that and get our jimmies rustled... when does the cycle stop?

There hasn't been serious sunbelt-bashing in this forum since Atlanta moved. Even during the lockout it was tame by comparison. Someone looking from the outside at our 3/4ths empty arena and blowhard owner, and making a prediction that we'd be the most likely team to move, isn't even on the same planet as Make It Seven and the Jets-o-meter and all of that crap.

And, of course, all the wonderful posts made during the 04-05 lockout about how we needed to be moved.

That was a decade ago...

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Don't worry Garnett. I got yo back fer serious.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Tackla is just one Hartfordian with an axe to grind.

And there are more posts here needlessly bashing Winnipeg than there are on BOH needlessly bashing Raleigh. If a Jets fan wanders in here randomly and sees that, then they feel justified bashing us elsewhere. Then we see that and get our jimmies rustled... when does the cycle stop?

There hasn't been serious sunbelt-bashing in this forum since Atlanta moved. Even during the lockout it was tame by comparison. Someone looking from the outside at our 3/4ths empty arena and blowhard owner, and making a prediction that we'd be the most likely team to move, isn't even on the same planet as Make It Seven and the Jets-o-meter and all of that crap.



That was a decade ago...

Things like Make It Seven and the Jets-o-Meter are precisely why the Winnipeg bashing is hardly needless. Those fans were like vultures circling any team with the remotest whiff of trouble off the ice. Their behavior towards Atlanta fans who tried to stay on their boards were appalling and they had the arrogance to assert that a bad team would suddenly become good because good Canadian fans were finally cheering them on. Where I come from, being an arrogant jerk gets you pilloried for it, and deservedly so.

 

[What the Faulk]

I want to see an Atlanta campaign next time one of these Canadian team goes through a tough time. "Third time's a charm!" "This time, we'll make it work!". "What else are we supposed to do when the Braves and Falcons suck?"

 

[tarheelhockey]

Things like Make It Seven and the Jets-o-Meter are precisely why the Winnipeg bashing is hardly needless. Those fans were like vultures circling any team with the remotest whiff of trouble off the ice. Their behavior towards Atlanta fans who tried to stay on their boards were appalling and they had the arrogance to assert that a bad team would suddenly become good because good Canadian fans were finally cheering them on. Where I come from, being an arrogant jerk gets you pilloried for it, and deservedly so.

I don't disagree about how awful they were, but there's a difference between that and how things are today.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

I want to see an Atlanta campaign next time one of these Canadian team goes through a tough time. "Third time's a charm!" "This time, we'll make it work!". "What else are we supposed to do when the Braves and Falcons suck?"

I remember we were gonna do an: " At-lan-ta's be-tree!!! Clap clap clap" at a jets game once. We should do it again.

 

[What the Faulk]

"Assessing the risk as Canes evaluate free agents" - budget propaganda brought to you by the N&O.

All this should send a clear message for Francis to keep in mind this summer: Predicting the offensive production of veteran forwards is far more difficult than it seems. As a result, spending big money on free agents can be very risky business.

I haven't heard of this guy before, and Twitter says he's basically a nobody. https://twitter.com/ian_doha

 

[RodTheBawd]

Funny, but what's the point? Are fans really expecting RF to go out and make some high dollar big name signings in the offseason?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah, with the budget signings they made this past offseason, and the obvious issue with attendance this year, I doubt PK is just begging RF to start throwing money around.

 

[The Stranger]

"Assessing the risk as Canes evaluate free agents" - budget propaganda brought to you by the N&O.



I haven't heard of this guy before, and Twitter says he's basically a nobody. https://twitter.com/ian_doha

Good analysis and good article.

Signing big free agents = winner's curse = poor expected rate of return.

The teams that have sustained success are built through drafting and developing talent...not outbidding the rest of the league for it.

 

[What the Faulk]

Is it, though? I see he mentioned points/60 as a metric he looked at but the results aren't in the article. Is that because it doesn't fit his narrative? I would imagine not. UFAs are going to be established players while RFAs range from the Riley Nashes to the Jeff Skinners (already a flaw). Higher paid players are going to cost more per point. That's just how it works. The biggest bargain players in terms of points per $ spent are guys who come out of nowhere. On the flip side, the most expensive guys in points per $ spent are going to be skewed in the other direction. Take Crosby for example. In terms of points per $ spent, Alex Semin has been a bigger bargain since 2012.

His point isn't really wrong (build internally and be careful throwing money around in UFA) but how he gets there isn't exactly sound.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Shuggie Bear recalled. Good to see another late round pick at least play an NHL game. He played on the same line as Hall in juniors, right?

 

[tarheelhockey]

If anything, this is the perfect time for RF to go all Billy Beane and stock the system with guys like Gerbe and Tlusty who actually make us better and don't cost much.

 

[The Stranger]

Is it, though? I see he mentioned points/60 as a metric he looked at but the results aren't in the article. Is that because it doesn't fit his narrative? I would imagine not. UFAs are going to be established players while RFAs range from the Riley Nashes to the Jeff Skinners (already a flaw). Higher paid players are going to cost more per point. That's just how it works. The biggest bargain players in terms of points per $ spent are guys who come out of nowhere. On the flip side, the most expensive guys in points per $ spent are going to be skewed in the other direction. Take Crosby for example. In terms of points per $ spent, Alex Semin has been a bigger bargain since 2012.

His point isn't really wrong (build internally and be careful throwing money around in UFA) but how he gets there isn't exactly sound.

The correlation coefficients are in the right-hand column. The correlation between cap hit and points/60 (5v5) is 0.41 for UFAs and 0.56 for RFAs.

 

[What the Faulk]

Oh, it's hidden on the bottom for mobile. I also don't like that it's only one season of scoring data. We know how much that can fluctuate. I thought this was for all UFA/RFA contracts signed by current players and how they've done since. This scope is much smaller.

 

[DaleCooper]

Just got a happy holidays email from the Canes with the players all wearing the sweater with reindeer instead of pigs. Son I am disappoint.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

If anything, this is the perfect time for RF to go all Billy Beane and stock the system with guys like Gerbe and Tlusty who actually make us better and don't cost much.

So we can win 110 games every year, only to get swept by the Yankees and Red Sox every season?

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

So we can win 110 games every year, only to get swept by the Yankees and Red Sox every season?

Sub Moneypuck()

Dim Wins As Integer
Dim Points as Integer

If Points < 95 Then

If Points > 60 Then Response = MsgBox("Another year wasted")
Else Response = MsgBox("Draft McDavid")
End If

Else If Wins > 110 Then Response = MsgBox("Spectacular season halted in playoffs by Yankees or Red Sox")
Else Response = MsgBox("Moneypuck error: does not compute")
Exit Sub
End If
​

End If

End Sub

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

There hasn't been serious sunbelt-bashing in this forum since Atlanta moved. Even during the lockout it was tame by comparison. Someone looking from the outside at our 3/4ths empty arena and blowhard owner, and making a prediction that we'd be the most likely team to move, isn't even on the same planet as Make It Seven and the Jets-o-meter and all of that crap.

This.

The BoH board used to be little more than two threads: "Why is there a team in X when it should be in Canada!" (and all of its spin-off variants), and "Gary Buttman sux!!!!1".

Then Atlanta moved to Winnipeg, and many of the people who were frothing at the mouth calmed down because their town had a hockey team. The rest had a lot of their ammunition denied from them, as Bettman had moved one of his "babies" back to Canada.

I remember those pre-Jets days when it was an acceptable and common opinion to gripe about how Gary Bettman hated Canada, which should tell you about the common poster on the BoH in those days.

Getting moderators who were actually interested in the Buisness of Hockey (Tarhell, KLB, Killion) to go along with Fugu, as well as finding more topics that were specifically BoH related helped a lot. Those moderators did excellent work steering the Phoenix meda-series towards the business aspect of discussion rather than an endless debate of whether or not hockey can work in the desert.

And a lot of people were banned from the site or that sub-forum.

Point being, Tarheel is 100% correct in saying that I see more people griping about elitist Northerner's than I actually see elitist Northerner's, and that's coming from someone who had many vehement debates with posters such as Jeffery93 and his ilk.

 

[HisIceness]

You guys remember all those Phoenix threads? God some of those guys were ****ing unbearable.

 

[Unsustainable]

Fixing the Canes 4on4 disadvantage.

Why not run the 1st line and Sekera, then run the 2nd line and Faulk.

Once the 4on4 is over, 3rd line with the 2nd D pairing to allow Seks - Faulk to rest back up.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Our old friend Ian White, the best piece in the Phaneuf trade, noted malcontent and beer league all-star, has signed a PTO with the Milwaukee Admirals.

Coffee talk time - 4 players in Canes history have worn the #7 - Curtis Leschyshyn (1998-2000), Niclas Wallin (2001-2010), White (2011), and Ryan Murphy (2013-present). Rank from best to worst. And go!

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Our old friend Ian White, the best piece in the Phaneuf trade, noted malcontent and beer league all-star, has signed a PTO with the Milwaukee Admirals.

Coffee talk time - 4 players in Canes history have worn the #7 - Curtis Leschyshyn (1998-2000), Niclas Wallin (2001-2010), White (2011), and Ryan Murphy (2013-present). Rank from best to worst. And go!

Sekrit Weapon #1
Lespellcheck #2
White #3

Ryan Murphy: incomplete

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

best to worst?

1 - Wallin




2 - Lespellcheck












3 - Murphy



































4 - White

 

[Novacane]

I woner how much longer we stick with Daniels. I hope all of the callups doesn't excuse anything.