Post-Game Talk: New York Rangers at Pittsburgh Penguins 12/5/2017
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That's the way Gord Miller and Pierre were on NBCSN last night. When the Rangers won the game, it sounded like their best friend had died and they couldn't wait to sign off.
It was an awful broadcast. How dare do the Rangers come in here and beat this team were pumping as the greatest ever?
I understand your point but I still don't agree. Why is it likely that a post shot would go in the next time? Like Reaves' shot, he's no scorer, I think if that situation repeated itself he'd be more likely to put it right at Pavelec or miss completely rather than snipe a corner. The shot from the point, Maata was it? That's a low percentage shot that's likely to get blocked in traffic or miss. The only other one I remember is Malkin's, and I will agree he's likely to make that shot if given another opportunity. But my point is that just as we could say we're lucky a shot hit the post, you could also say a guy was lucky that his shot even hit the post at all.
And you can take the situation a step further. If a goalie makes a bunch of highlight saves, is he lucky? He probably doesn't make all the highlight saves a second time. Is that more or less lucky than a shot hitting the post? There are just too many variables. That's why I just look at posts as a missed shot like any other. When you consider how many shots there are in a game, and then look at the ratio of shots that miss, get blocked or are saved and compare it to shots that become goals, it's exponentially more likely a shot doesn't go in. So maybe a post is more likely to go in next time, but one of the non-goal outcomes is still far more likely. JMO, though.
As for Pavelec, I agree. I said it in my first post here, he did well but made it an adventure. He looked like he was fighting it at times.
silverfish
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Gordon Bombay rule, y'all.
A quarter of an inch the other way, and you'd have missed the net completely.
A quarter of an inch the other way, and you'd have missed the net completely.
That is the way that I look at it. The defensive coverage was atrocious. Only the posts saved a win. No matter how many points the defensemen have, unless they actually play defense this team is nothing more than first round fodder......Unless Henke is the best player in the series.
Great. All teams have warts. This is still a mediocre team.
[Bottom line and I know this might piss off the Debbie Downers and Negative Nancy's in the crowd here but our Rangers will be making the playoffs warts and all.[/QUOTE]
Not sure "pissing" of is the right viewpoint. That insinuates that people without their heads in the sand rejoice when the team fails. I think that some actually do not want to be stuck in the middle all the time. Sure anything can happen. Except it happened to this franchise exactly one time in 76 years now. So the chances of "hey anything can happen" are pretty slim. Either you are contending for the Cup or you pretending that you are contending for the Cup. To me, right now it looks like the latter.
will1066
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Just enjoy the win. Two days till the Caps. So savor it. Worry about tomorrow when it comes.
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I think they "rejoice" became being "right" is more important to them than anything else. Each incremental negative result (as they view a loss or an unlikely win) gives them an assumed validation of their views.
PuckLuck3043
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Not sure "pissing" of is the right viewpoint. That insinuates that people without their heads in the sand rejoice when the team fails. I think that some actually do not want to be stuck in the middle all the time. Sure anything can happen. Except it happened to this franchise exactly one time in 76 years now. So the chances of "hey anything can happen" are pretty slim. Either you are contending for the Cup or you pretending that you are contending for the Cup. To me, right now it looks like the latter.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure the LA Kings would have something to say about that when they won the cup as an 8th seed a few years ago. How many thought they were contenders during regular season? What about Preds and Sens last year? How many were picking Preds to make it to finals when they had the worst record of the playoff teams? How many thought Ottawa was a double OT game 7 against Pitt away from making it to finals? Being a contender means having the ability to make a deep playoff run and the potential to win the cup. The Rangers have won 12 of 15 after a poor start and they are as good as any team in the metro. Lets see how this plays out.
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Sure "anything can happen" has only happened once in 76 years for the Rangers, but why does what happened 70 years ago have any bearing on today?
All I know is "anything can happen" is actually a reality in today's NHL with the parity that the salary cap has created.
Just in 2017, Preds were an 8 seed, Senators were in double OT game 7 of the ECF. The "just get in and anything can happen" mindset is more realistic than any other time in recent memory.
All I know is "anything can happen" is actually a reality in today's NHL with the parity that the salary cap has created.
Just in 2017, Preds were an 8 seed, Senators were in double OT game 7 of the ECF. The "just get in and anything can happen" mindset is more realistic than any other time in recent memory.
RangerLifer
Formerly known as Captain Lindy
That Preds team was a very good team that took a while to get going. Ottawa wasn't, but if you're hanging your hopes on the Rangers pulling the same magic that they did last year you're going to be very, very disappointed.
Take a look at pretty much every year prior to that one, the teams that make it far into the playoffs are rarely a surprise. This group is not one that belongs in that category.
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I'm not hanging my hopes on anything, we're 26 games into the season.
What I am saying is that "anything can happen" isn't as ridiculous as it used to be.
The parity in the league today makes the margins razor thin. As good teams are barely discernible from mediocre teams anymore, the likelihood of the worse team winning the series gets greater and greater. In the past, saying "anything can happen" was more ridiculous because you'd have more separation in quality between top seeds and low seeds, similar to what we see in today's NBA. However, now all playoff teams are good and barely anything separates the best from the good from the okay and lucky. A game as random as hockey that can be as heavily influenced by luck as hockey just makes the anything can happen mindset more realistic and accurate. Anything can happen. The 1 seed can get swept in the first round, the 8 seed can win the cup, the team looked at as the weakest going into the playoffs can take the eventual Cup winner to game 7 double OT in the conference final.
These two were inconsolable last night after every NYR goal. Was abhorrent the display they put on.
At the end of the day the narrative doesn’t fit. The NYR are right there with EVERYONE in the East. Beat the pens in their barn without their top center and with a back up who hadn’t started in a month and walked away with 2 points.
Because living on the theory that "anything can happen" leaves you in the middle. "Anything" happened to the Rangers once in the last 76 years. So to me, you are either seriously contending or not. This team is not a serious contender to me. So I would make moves that would make me a serious contender in the future.
Maybe? However, I think that most if not all take no enjoyment from the Rangers failing. We are all fans of the team. We all want to see them succeed.
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
Washington and Chicago were condidered serious contenders last year and Nashville was not. It has been mentioned before and I will say it again the parity in this league makes the "just get in and anything scenario" much more realistic than it has ever been. What is very important is injuries, which team is hot going into the spring, and of course, who gets the goaltending and fortunate bounces. At the moment I am enjoying my team winning 12 of their last 15 and being right in the mix in the metro. There will be plenty of time to label teams "contenders" as we approach spring.
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PuckLuck3043
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Yes. The Rangers got a little lucky last night but Pitt had no business winning the game at MSG earlier in the year. The Pens are still good, no question, but have only been playing well recently. They have their issues also and have had their depth diminished. That plus the fact that they have played hockey until mid june 2 years in a row may come into play later this year.
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Charlie Conway had to explain that to Coach Bombay though.
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The funny thing is the Rangers basically played as well last night as Pitt did most of the 2017 playoffs. With the same result.
I'm shocked that after last years playoffs (or the last few playoffs, really) people still think there are only a hand full of contenders and the rest are pretenders. Its pretty obviously the opposite now.
That said, this team hasn't proved much yet. Its been a messy start. With some injuries we might find ourselves in the dumps quickly.
Though of course in '13-'14 we had an even worse first two months. Some of these "we're not contenders" posts could be cut and pasted from December of 2014. I think its safe to say we were contenders that year.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
FYI... you can be a NYR fan, while at the same time be realistic about their chances come the spring.
There IS time in between, moves might be made... injuries occur... while others get healthy.
Some of us believe the moves should be made to make us true contenders in the future.
Doesn't make us less fans.
There IS time in between, moves might be made... injuries occur... while others get healthy.
Some of us believe the moves should be made to make us true contenders in the future.
Doesn't make us less fans.
They have to be told to act in that manner. I've caught **** on here for merely suggesting there is a bias against the Rangers on nationally televised games. It's far worse in situations like last night where the NBCSN broadcast wasn't exclusive. I don't know how anyone can listen to that and not think those two were pro-Penguins.
Gord Miller is not an unprofessional broadcaster. Yet, he seems to be one of the worst when it comes to bias against the Rangers.
Pierre just loves the Penguins. That's apparent.
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