GDT: NEW YORK ISLANDERS VS NEW JERSEY DEVILS @ 7PM GDT (THE REVERSE RETRO EDITION)

[Blender]

Sundin always produced...No matter which year he always was around 1 ppg as a Leaf... That is sort of the point.

At 19 however he was at .74 PPG. I don't believe we have a player on this team capable of .74 PPG this season.

Mats Sundin played his first 4 years in the highest scoring seasons the league has ever seen. His D+2 season in 1990-91 his adjusted points are 53 in 80 games, 0.663 per game or 54 points in and 82 game season. Hughes has 0.667 points per game right now in his D+2 season, which is a 55 point pace over 82 games.

 

[JimEIV]

You said yourself Hughes is at 0.63 PPG right now. I think it's realistic to think he can reach .74 by the end of the season. I would be happy if he stays at .63. Not every player has the same trajectory into an elite player.

Don't get me wrong, if Hughes can become anything close to Sundin it's a win for us.

What are your expectations of him?

My hope? or What I really think? My hope is we have an elite playmaker capable setting new organizational highs...When the Trivia Question pops up Most assist(Shared) by a forward in a single season...I don't want the answer to be Broten and Muller anymore.

But I haven't seen anything to make me think this is even possible.

 

[Devils090]

I know Jim just wants to ruffle feathers but Hughes has been amazing, not his fault Palms sucks and Johnsson is playing way above his role

 

[My3Sons]

I think I would too. The problem is a couple of weeks ago he was .85 PPG, Last week he was at .70 PPG....This week he is at .63 PPG.

So the team is bad. Management is incompetent. They bungled two first overall picks. They haven't built a coherent team. They are still floundering with a direction since the first change in regime in 2015. They aren't better on the ice record wise in the past five years with one outlier year. The arena concessions are bad and projecting a brighter future based on progression of prospects is just fools' gold. The team's tomorrow is just as bleak as its today. OK, say you are right about all of that. What now? There's no path forward it seems.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Palmieri is shooting 7%. Johnsson somehow only has 25 shots in 18 games despite spending quite a bit of time in the offensive zone. They must’ve combined for 8 posts this year. I want more Jack points but it does help to watch the games when evaluating the player.

 

[JimEIV]

Mats Sundin played his first 4 years in the highest scoring seasons the league has ever seen. His D+2 season in 1990-91 his adjusted points are 53 in 80 games, 0.663 per game or 54 points in and 82 game season. Hughes has 0.667 points per game right now in his D+2 season, which is a 55 point pace over 82 games.

Come one man....Sundin at 19 was top 100 player in points. 73rd in the league at 19.

Jack Hughes is currently in the 135-150 range in actual points and 152nd Points/60

Zacha is at 59 in P/60 BTW. Wood is at 85 P/60

 

[Darkauron]

Jim bait Jim bait time! Everyone get your fill!

Hughes has been much better than his points even show and even if he is not putting up points, he is far and away the best forward on our team.

 

[Satans Hockey]

Some videos about the arena opening, good lord that Maria host has a horrid voice to listen to...

 

[Triumph]

Come one man....Sundin at 19 was top 100 player in points. 73rd in the league at 19.

Jack Hughes is currently in the 135-150 range in actual points and 152nd Points/60

Zacha is at 59 in P/60 BTW. Wood is at 85 P/60

There's 10 more teams in the league. Like, do a second of thought about 1991 versus now. There's 10 more first lines, 10 more PP1s, etc. - it is harder to be top 100 in points as a result.

 

[JimEIV]

Scott Gomez in 2000, his rookie year he was 28th in the league in points...Scream his age all you want.

That same year a 19 year old Lecavalier was 33rd in scoring with 67 points - His next closest teammate had 48 points and that was Fredrick Modin.

Tampa was dreadful that year too, much worse than any Devil team...19-47-9-7 (54 points)

And this is some of the deadest of the dead puck era

None of our #1's have ever been 67 point pace. EVER.

 

[The 29th Pick]

we'll be lucky to get Gomez and Elias out of Hughes and Nico
2 first overall's
I'd love that but...

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

we'll be lucky to get Gomez and Elias out of Hughes and Nico
2 first overall's
I'd love that but...

Neither will be as good as Elias, but I think both will be better than Gomez.

 

[JimEIV]

Neither will be as good as Elias, but I think both will be better than Gomez.

Not if you measure by points. You may not like his game...But he produced 756 points in this league. If either can surpass that, that would something

 

[Blender]

Come one man....Sundin at 19 was top 100 player in points. 73rd in the league at 19.

Jack Hughes is currently in the 135-150 range in actual points and 152nd Points/60

Zacha is at 59 in P/60 BTW. Wood is at 85 P/60

Right, come on. There are 10 more teams in the league and in some cases the Devils have played 8 fewer games than other teams so far.

 

[JimEIV]

Right, come on. There are 10 more teams in the league and in some cases the Devils have played 8 fewer games than other teams so far.

This is why I added P/60 - To eliminate the game discrepancies - Jack is 152nd in the league in P/60

 

[Unknown Caller]

Neither will be as good as Elias, but I think both will be better than Gomez.

Jack Hughes will absolutely be better than Elias, and Patty is my favorite player of all time. Nico is more questionable, but I think he could be too.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Not if you measure by points. You may not like his game...But he produced 756 points in this league. If either can surpass that, that would something

Gomez was a better player than Patty when he broke into the league. Patty was good and progressed into a hall of fame player. I know you enjoy just pointing at a stat sheet and proclaiming one guy is better than the other but that would’ve led you to conclude Gomez > Patty. Maybe give it some time with Jack? This team stinks.

 

[Call Me Al]

oh it’s another one of these. hard pass

 

[Triumph]

Jack Hughes will absolutely be better than Elias, and Patty is my favorite player of all time. Nico is more questionable, but I think he could be too.

I'm a big fan of Hughes but this is underrating Elias - Elias was just a superb two-way forward, one of the best the game's ever had. He was not an exceptional scorer but he was an excellent one in addition to being that tactician on the ice - he was also excellent for a very long time.

Not if you measure by points. You may not like his game...But he produced 756 points in this league. If either can surpass that, that would something

Here's something to consider - Scott Gomez was 19 years old and 283 days old when he played his first NHL game. Jack Hughes is 19 years old and 292 days old.

 

[Bleedred]

The problem with Gomez was that he started to decline drastically around 30-31 years. The drop off was huge for him. Sounds like a certain player we have right now, who was once a former teammate of his....

Gomez was pacing for a borderline hall of fame career up to the point.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Jack Hughes will absolutely be better than Elias, and Patty is my favorite player of all time. Nico is more questionable, but I think he could be too.

Elias was an elite defensive player in addition to an elite offensive player at his peak and he kept that level of play up well into his 30s. I think Jack may out produce him at his peak but won’t have a bigger impact on games or have the longevity. I’d happily be wrong though.

 

[JimEIV]

Here's something to consider - Scott Gomez was 19 years old and 283 days old when he played his first NHL game. Jack Hughes is 19 years old and 292 days old.

So we should be expecting 70 point pace now right?

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

So we should be expecting 70 point pace now right?

This is a good faith comparison because the 1999-2000 team stunk too, right?

 

[JimEIV]

Gomez was a better player than Patty when he broke into the league. Patty was good and progressed into a hall of fame player. I know you enjoy just pointing at a stat sheet and proclaiming one guy is better than the other but that would’ve led you to conclude Gomez > Patty. Maybe give it some time with Jack? This team stinks.

Elias was good from the beginning. He finished 3rd in Calder voting his first full season and was named to the All Rookie team...Granted he was 21 years old in his first full season.

 

[Bleedred]

Here’s another Gomez tidbit to consider.

His 70 points as a rookie in 99-00 was tied for his second highest scoring year in his career. Both in overall points and goals scored. He hit exactly 70 points three different times, twice as a Devil, his second of those seasons being in his fifth season at age 23-24. And the his career high was that 05-06 season where he scored 84 points and had 33 goals (he never hit 20 any other year in his scored) and scoring was ridiculously up all over the league and Gionta scored 48 goals. So he matched his rookie scoring three times as a Devil and scored way less his next three years after his rookie season.

So Gomez probably overachieved a bit in his rookie year, and you could say he underachieved a bit the next three seasons. Especially in his third season in 01-02.


So let’s not act like his 70 point rookie season was the norm for him in his younger years. It absolutely wasn’t.