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NJDevils#4 said:
We need to bring in quality free agents. Problem is no one wants to play here and understandably so.
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Meh. In the NHL my thought is players want to play where they will get paid. Sure geography matters and location can swing the balance on two close offers but I’m skeptical a player just dismissed NJ out of hand to take a significantly lower offer. In any event, what UFA makes sense on a total rebuild? By the time thr team is good the UFA is on the bad years of the long deal. The timing has to be right. Plus, do you think one player is going to change the fortunes of this team? There are too many under performing players to think one guy can change everything.
 
NJDevils#4 said:
We need to bring in quality free agents. Problem is no one wants to play here and understandably so.
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has any team ever been successful signing players to huge deals on july 1st?

we should stay the course, we definitely shouldn’t blow everything up in a 1/2 season with a bullshit schedule and almost no practice time.
 
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guitarguyvic said:
Was not expecting the playoffs this season. Not even close. But the first ten games actually got me kind of excited about the kids. There's a couple who have exceeded expectations, which is nice. But the ones we would expect the most out of have come back down to earth yet again.

Here I was hoping I'd have to eat crow in regards to my skepticism about the future...instead it's right back to "they still haven't shown they can live up to their so-called potential".

So sick of it.
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This is what happens when we have so many kids in the lineup. It's called inconsistency and it happens all over the NHL.

This season is turning out about what I expected. Most of the time our team is giving a good effort but we don't have the skill to win games. Absolute best case scenario we could stay close to 4th place but it's becoming evident we aren't there yet so we need to look at, again, moving assets. We are in a dilemma though because there comes a time where we have too many prospects and no leaders.

We could trade Palms for whatever we can get and then look at bringing him back as a free agent. That is always a possibility and it's the best of both worlds. I think we only move Murray if a Coleman type of return is available.

Gusev and Johnsson can go. I think we have kids who can do just as good of a job as they are doing (Kuokkanen, Foote and longer term, Holtz, Mercer, etc.)

Whatever Fitz ends up doing, do not trade Gusev to TB. Him and Kucherov would light up the league. It's clear Gusev isn't a fit here for whatever reason.
 
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That game really was a vintage Cory special from 2015-2016, really sucks we still can’t score to save our lives.
 
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Patrik26 said:
Exactly. Somebody needs to convince me that Newark is desired destination.
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The only possible "plus" of it is the location. You're 20 mins away from NYC and everything it offers and a short distance away from the beach or mountains. Everything else about NJ sucks. Like taxes. And I live here.
 
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All aboard the doom and gloom train!

Devils have now lost 6 of the last 7 games. Next up is Rangers and Boston who both owe us a beat down, and the Rangers are now winning games even without Panarin. Then we have Capitals who we never beat and then three games of this same shit against Islanders (expect them to finally shut us out).

After our cup run in 2012 and excluding the miraculous mvp season, the Devils have placed either last or second last of their division every year and right now this season seems to continue that trend. So yeah maybe the rebuild hasn’t lasted 8 years, but we sure as hell have sucked for 8 years. I see very little hope in the horizon, Hughes has stopped scoring, Nico is injured more often than Nolan Patrick, all our veterans / highest paid guys are doing nothing, our young guys are having some success but not to the level of turning this franchise around. All the prospects are slowing down. Holtz has struggled this season, Mercer hasn’t improved from last season, Muk hasn’t been able to get back to that early season level of play. Walsh, Vukojevic and Foote are doing decent in AHL, so maybe there’s something, who knows if it translates to NHL..

I know I know Covid season..
 
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Billdo said:
The only possible "plus" of it is the location. You're 20 mins away from NYC and everything it offers and a short distance away from the beach or mountains. Everything else about NJ sucks. Like taxes. And I live here.
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And even that's not going to attract many free agents if you make the playoffs once in the better part of a decade.
 
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blink said:
This is what happens when we have so many kids in the lineup. It's called inconsistency and it happens all over the NHL.

This season is turning out about what I expected. Most of the time our team is giving a good effort but we don't have the skill to win games. I was hoping we could stay in the playoff hunt but it's becoming evident we aren't there yet so we need to look at, again, moving assets. We are in a dilemma though because there comes a time where we have too many prospects and no leaders.

We could trade Palms for whatever we can get and then look at bringing him back as a free agent. That is always a possibility and it's the best of both worlds. I think we only move Murray if a Coleman type of return is available.

Gusev and Johnsson can go. I think we have kids who can do just as good of a job as they are doing (Kuokkanen, Foote and longer term, Holtz, Mercer, etc.)

Whatever Fitz ends up doing, do not trade Gusev to TB. Him and Kucherov would light up the league. It's clear Gusev isn't a fit here for whatever reason.
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I think you’re missing the point. I never expected the team to win a lot of games. What I was hoping for was for our young guns who are supposed to be future superstars showing that they are in fact superstars. Blackwood has lived up to it. Ty Smith has had a very good rookie campaign so far but it’s still a small sample size so jury is out. Jack looked like a #1 pick for the first ten games but since then he’s returned to his rookie form. Nico still needs to prove he can produce better than second line C, but he’s starting to look like someone who can’t consistently stay in the lineup due to being injury prone.

On top of that we have zero vets we can rely on in the interim because Gusev just straight sucks and is not what he was hyped up to be, and Palmieri is about as consistent as the kids. On D it’s all spare parts plus a rookie.

Significant improvement in on-ice results still seems much further away than most people here are willing to admit.
 
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at this point parsing out when the rebuild actually technically began is kind of annoying. we’ve been watching pretty bad hockey for almost a decade that’s the bottom line
 
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AfroThunder396 said:
I'm sorry but it's time to send Zajac to the glue factory, I'm happy he got 1000 games as a Devil but he just simply can't play anymore.
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I think a much, much, much bigger problems is this:

Jack Hughes Gamelogs - last 5

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Jason MacIsaac said:
4 shots per game doesn't seem like a problem, just poor results.
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I'm way past looking for silver linings...He could have 30 shots a game and if doesn't translate into points, it aint helping us. 1 PP assist playing 19:18 a game over 5 games is dreadful for someone who is supposes to be a future leader.
 
JimEIV said:
I'm way past looking for silver linings...He could have 30 shots a game and if doesn't translate into points, it aint helping us. 1 PP assist in 5 games is dreadful for someone who is supposes to be a future leader.
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This has nothing to do with silver linings, that line has had horrible puck puck from what I have watched. Long term the process is more important than results. It's why Hughes will outscore Zacha over the next 3 years.
 
Tony Piscotta said:
Bratt? What in anything suggests he's capable of playing on a top line? Let alone ahead of Kyle Palmieri?
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I think his point was putting Bratt back with Hughes, not his capability of playing on a top line.

And quite frankly, why not?

Devils have nothing to lose at this point since they're losing anyway. :dunno:

Might as well do something different as the "chemistry" we thought Goose, Zacha, and Bratt would bring from last season isn't there anymore.
 
Jason MacIsaac said:
This has nothing to do with silver linings, that line has had horrible puck puck from what I have watched. Long term the process is more important than results. It's why Hughes will outscore Zacha over the next 3 years.
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The problem here is this "Puck luck" - "Snake bitten" mantra has been going on with Jack since 2019 over 79 games....You go long enough and it just isn't variance anymore.
 
JimEIV said:
The problem here is this "Puck luck" - "Snake bitten" mantra has been going on with Jack for since 2019 over 79 games....You go long enough and it just isn't variance anymore.
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He can't control his wingers missing chances or hitting posts. Johnsson and Palmieri haven't finished a fraction of their chances. Hughes was never going to be a 30+ goal scorer.
 
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