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[Beef Invictus]

So Young is playing well individually. So is Allen. Well enough to be reliably hitting and sacking QBs a lot more then they do.

Unfortunately they play in a simpleton's scheme and so the expected results aren't there. Fire Del Rio. Also fire Rivera for giving him a free and unquestioned hand.

 

[John Price]

Why the Commanders' $6 billion bidding war was one Josh Harris had to win

Josh Harris has built a multibillion-dollar empire buying distressed assets. But his high-stakes bet on the Washington Commanders is his biggest yet. And it's one he knows he can't lose.

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"In business we're fiduciaries for pension funds and investors and our job is to make them money," Harris says from what has become his office at FedEx Field. The room is empty, save for a few items on the desk. There hasn't been time to furnish anything yet. Just to work.

"In sports, you can't make it about money. You have to make it about winning and you have to make it about engaging with the city."

As an investor, Harris has a reputation as a monster workaholic. Eighty-, 90-hour weeks. Phone calls until 2 a.m., then back at it by 5 or 6 a.m. with calls on the way to and from the gym. He doesn't golf or fish or travel the way men of his station usually do. He works.

 

[g00n]

Why one of football’s most thrilling plays is vanishing from the NFL

Through three weeks, 80.9% of kickoffs have resulted in touchbacks, the highest rate in at least three decades and very likely a league record.

sports.yahoo.com

KOs are pointless now. Either get rid of them and spot the ball to start, or change tackling in football to resemble rugby.

High tackle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent’s neck or head is dangerous play."

The responsibility for making a safe tackle is 100% on the tackler. If you can't make a safe tackle then don't tackle.

These guys launching themselves like missiles is still the main problem. It was supposed to be banned years ago and guys are still lowering helmets and ramming into each other.

 

[Neil Racki]

Unfortunately they play in a simpleton's scheme and so the expected results aren't there. Fire Del Rio. Also fire Rivera for giving him a free and unquestioned hand.

Nice find, Leonard Williams continues to be an under rated good player. Wanted him over Scherff back in the day.

Kedric Golston was on the radio last week talking about the DL, most using 3 technique for Allen and Payne so they can be aggressive getting into backfield, force OC to double team one so the other can win 1v1. Pretty standard D front now. Have some studs that can allow you to get pressure only rushing 4 or 5, dropping back 6-7 into coverage taking away the easy stuff. This is what Bills did to Howell.

But it does seem like we go hat on hat and expect our big studs to win 1v1 or double teams.

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Good news - Eric B knows what to work on and we get to see him adjust

Good news - Sam Cosmi is a viable above average starter for the next 4-6 years (barring injury prone streak).

 

[Beef Invictus]

Why one of football’s most thrilling plays is vanishing from the NFL

Through three weeks, 80.9% of kickoffs have resulted in touchbacks, the highest rate in at least three decades and very likely a league record.

sports.yahoo.com

KOs are pointless now. Either get rid of them and spot the ball to start, or change tackling in football to resemble rugby.

High tackle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent’s neck or head is dangerous play."

The responsibility for making a safe tackle is 100% on the tackler. If you can't make a safe tackle then don't tackle.

These guys launching themselves like missiles is still the main problem. It was supposed to be banned years ago and guys are still lowering helmets and ramming into each other.

When pads were just a thin layer of stuffing back in the 40s you didn't have dudes human missiling themselves around. My grandfather did the NFL and always marveled at how more protection seemingly made things more dangerous; "I'd have died if I tried that." I've held his pads, and I think a modern puffy winter coat has more protection.

It also led to a lot of interesting play designs. When you know your guy is most likely going to be wrapped up and taken down rugby style, then rugby style plays are possible. The NFL was harder hitting than college so I haven't seen this as much at that level in the 40s, but in college football there were plays where a sacrificial carrier would tie up defenders then pitch the ball back to a teammate to gain more yards, instead of blocking out front.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nice find, Leonard Williams continues to be an under rated good player. Wanted him over Scherff back in the day.

Kedric Golston was on the radio last week talking about the DL, most using 3 technique for Allen and Payne so they can be aggressive getting into backfield, force OC to double team one so the other can win 1v1. Pretty standard D front now. Have some studs that can allow you to get pressure only rushing 4 or 5, dropping back 6-7 into coverage taking away the easy stuff. This is what Bills did to Howell.

But it does seem like we go hat on hat and expect our big studs to win 1v1 or double teams.

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Good news - Eric B knows what to work on and we get to see him adjust

Good news - Sam Cosmi is a viable above average starter for the next 4-6 years (barring injury prone streak).

And that probably works if you've got Parsons, Bosa, and Donald all on one line. The freak-mutant outlier dudes. It's lazy and will not work when you're guys are just Very Good instead of incomprehensible terrors. Lord knows we have ample experience with these players to know what they are, but apparently JDR and Ron don't. They're overrating their own guys.

 

[Neil Racki]

Allen/Payne/Sweat/Chase are better than "very good" and most times do win 4 v 5 as a unit.
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Pats cb rookie Gonzalez getting rave reviews.
Forbes "stats" were horrible and seems like Bills targeted him heavy before he got benched

Interesting to see if Eagles target Forbes early and often.

edit -- Forbes stats might not be horrible horrible ... 3 targets 3 catches but not the 8 catches on 9 targets stat i saw .. and Im not bashing the guy. Always interesting when a first rounder has a "could have had" guy to compare. Forbes was brought in to get more INTs, our dominant D does a lot well but getting TOs isnt our strong suit.

Scherff or Leonard Williams
Payne or Derwin James
Dotson or Olave
Davis or Owusu (JOK)

Now its Forbes or Gonzalez.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Allen/Payne/Sweat/Chase are better than "very good" and most times do win 4 v 5 as a unit.
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Pats cb rookie Gonzalez getting rave reviews.
Forbes "stats" were horrible and seems like Bills targeted him heavy before he got benched

Interesting to see if Eagles target Forbes early and often.

Pissing me off seeing Gonzalez doing well….

 

[kicksavedave]

When pads were just a thin layer of stuffing back in the 40s you didn't have dudes human missiling themselves around. My grandfather did the NFL and always marveled at how more protection seemingly made things more dangerous; "I'd have died if I tried that." I've held his pads, and I think a modern puffy winter coat has more protection.

It also led to a lot of interesting play designs. When you know your guy is most likely going to be wrapped up and taken down rugby style, then rugby style plays are possible. The NFL was harder hitting than college so I haven't seen this as much at that level in the 40s, but in college football there were plays where a sacrificial carrier would tie up defenders then pitch the ball back to a teammate to gain more yards, instead of blocking out front.

The NFL could solve the concussion/injury problem easily by making standard uniforms include those puffy helmet padded covers. But, they look silly, so the NFL doesn't use them in games, and it just proves that they care much more about style than they do about protecting the players. They care more about concussion lawsuits than they do about the actual concussions the players routinely get. Imagine that safety launching into Logan Thomas with a pillow on his head like they wear in training camp. Thomas gets up and keeps playing.

The NFL is a bunch if hypocritical a-holes.

Pats cb rookie Gonzalez getting rave reviews.
Forbes "stats" were horrible and seems like Bills targeted him heavy before he got benched

Interesting to see if Eagles target Forbes early and often.

This should be the final nail in the coffin of RR and any thoughts of retaining him and his dullard front office should be over with, in Josh Harris circle.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Jets add QB Siemian; Kap inquired about signing

The Jets, reeling from back-to-back losses after an overtime victory in Week 1, signed veteran free agent quarterback Trevor Siemian, though Zach Wilson will start Sunday against the Chiefs.

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I think a simple workout would be all that’s needed…

He had one with the Raiders a couple years ago. He wasn’t good enough to be Derek Carr’s backup. That’s bad.

Sources: Kap workout positive; no deal imminent

Colin Kaepernick's arm strength and conditioning stood out in his workout with the Las Vegas Raiders, but no signing was imminent as of late Thursday night, sources told ESPN.

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Eric Reid took a knee with Kap and he played in the league afterwards. Reid even got a contract extension. Just like Griffin, Kaps novelty wore off. That’s why he is out of the league. Not because he took a knee.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[Ajax1995]

He had one with the Raiders a couple years ago. He wasn’t good enough to be Derek Carr’s backup. That’s bad.

Eric Reid took a knee with Kap and he played in the league afterwards. Reid even got a contract extension. Just like Griffin, Kaps novelty wore off. That’s why he is out of the league. Not because he took a knee.

I’m not much of a Kaepernick fan but I think there is some context and nuance required here.

Was he good enough to be a backup and on a roster when he voided his contract with the 9ers? Absolutely. Would anyone in their right mind want their backup to bring the circus to town that he would have brought? Absolutely not.

IMO of course…

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

I’m not much of a Kaepernick fan but I think there is some context and nuance required here.

Was he good enough to be a backup and on a roster when he voided his contract with the 9ers? Absolutely. Would anyone in their right mind want their backup to bring the circus to town that he would have brought? Absolutely not.

IMO of course…

The circus he would bring was certainly a factor but ultimately, IMO, if you can play teams will give you a chance.

Back to Eric Reid, not only did he take a knee with Kap but he also joined Kap in suing the NFL for collusion. They both settled with the NFL so they got money. He was then signed by our own RRs Carolina Panthers. Reid took a knee again. Carolina still gave him a contract extension after his 1st season in Carolina.

 

[HTFN]

Allen/Payne/Sweat/Chase are better than "very good" and most times do win 4 v 5 as a unit.
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Pats cb rookie Gonzalez getting rave reviews.
Forbes "stats" were horrible and seems like Bills targeted him heavy before he got benched

Interesting to see if Eagles target Forbes early and often.

edit -- Forbes stats might not be horrible horrible ... 3 targets 3 catches but not the 8 catches on 9 targets stat i saw .. and Im not bashing the guy. Always interesting when a first rounder has a "could have had" guy to compare. Forbes was brought in to get more INTs, our dominant D does a lot well but getting TOs isnt our strong suit.

Scherff or Leonard Williams
Payne or Derwin James
Dotson or Olave
Davis or Owusu (JOK)

Now its Forbes or Gonzalez.

Forbes got routed real hard early in the game and looked like BBQ chicken after, I’m surprised it was only 3 too. Diggs was over him

 

[Midnight Judges]

Why one of football’s most thrilling plays is vanishing from the NFL

Through three weeks, 80.9% of kickoffs have resulted in touchbacks, the highest rate in at least three decades and very likely a league record.

sports.yahoo.com

KOs are pointless now. Either get rid of them and spot the ball to start, or change tackling in football to resemble rugby.

The best play in all of sports is when the DT gets the ball and has to run a long way with it.

I am willing to do whatever it takes to increase the likelihood of this occurring.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The NFL could solve the concussion/injury problem easily by making standard uniforms include those puffy helmet padded covers. But, they look silly, so the NFL doesn't use them in games, and it just proves that they care much more about style than they do about protecting the players. They care more about concussion lawsuits than they do about the actual concussions the players routinely get. Imagine that safety launching into Logan Thomas with a pillow on his head like they wear in training camp. Thomas gets up and keeps playing.

The NFL is a bunch if hypocritical a-holes.



This should be the final nail in the coffin of RR and any thoughts of retaining him and his dullard front office should be over with, in Josh Harris circle.

Misses on Davis and Forbes, poor utilization of the talent they do have, years in and LB is weak when that was sold as a thing they'd be great at. What are they doing here?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

The circus he would bring was certainly a factor but ultimately, IMO, if you can play teams will give you a chance.

Back to Eric Reid, not only did he take a knee with Kap but he also joined Kap in suing the NFL for collusion. They both settled with the NFL so they got money. He was then signed by our own RRs Carolina Panthers. Reid took a knee again. Carolina still gave him a contract extension after his 1st season in Carolina.

Dude he definitely could have been a backup, but nobody is dealing with that BS for a backup….it cost him his latter part of his career clearly. Reid was playing at a higher level in his own position….if Kap had Aaron Rodgers talents, he’s still playing and would have survived that debacle.

 

[Ajax1995]

Back to Eric Reid, not only did he take a knee with Kap but he also joined Kap in suing the NFL for collusion. They both settled with the NFL so they got money. He was then signed by our own RRs Carolina Panthers. Reid took a knee again. Carolina still gave him a contract extension after his 1st season in Carolina.

Reid was still a solid starter and borderline difference maker at that stage. Kaepernick was a backup caliber player. That’s the difference IMO. If Kaepernick was still a solid starter caliber QB he would have definitely gotten an opportunity right away. IMO of course.

 

[Ajax1995]

Misses on Davis and Forbes, poor utilization of the talent they do have, years in and LB is weak when that was sold as a thing they'd be great at. What are they doing here?

3 games in and Forbes is a miss?

 

[Beef Invictus]

3 games in and Forbes is a miss?

As surely as Howell is the QB of Destiny. No doubt in my mind.

 

[John Price]

Forbes isn't a miss lol

 

[Ridley Simon]

Forbes is fine. Davis isn’t that bad either.

The overall coaching? I will hold my tongue.

 

[John Price]

 

[Ajax1995]

That can’t be right. I thought Gonzalez was the second coming of Darrell Green, only bigger and stronger. I assumed he would be number one with a 0.0 next to his name…?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

That can’t be right. I thought Gonzalez was the second coming of Darrell Green, only bigger and stronger. I assumed he would be number one with a 0.0 next to his name…?

Because that one stat paints the entire picture?

Passes defended 3, 17 pace for a season, that would have placed him 3rd among NFL CBs in 2022.

INT 1, on pace for 6, would tie him with others for first in 2022.

Sacks 1, pace 6, would have led NFL in 2022.

Tackles 16 on pace for 77, would have been 2nd in NFL in 2022.


Not saying our guy is a bust, but theirs is damn good already (and yes it’s early).