OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[Ridley Simon]

Dotson is a win already, really? He has outrageous potential but he also only played in 12 games last year because of injury. Id like to see him play a full season before saying he is a win.

The others, I wouldn’t put any in the “meh” or “yikes” category. Young is a head case but he was also injured the last two seasons. Mathis was injured as well. Davis is a bonafide starting LB. What else do you want out of him? And according to Doc Walker Cosmi will be solid this year at guard.

Dotson is a lot more of a win than Davis, and Young. That said, Young was a huge win after year 1 too, so shit can change. My *opinion* is Dotson is moving towards win and will stay there.

Cosmi is the epitome of “meh”, and Mathis is nearing “yikes” as he’s never healthy.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Dotson is a lot more of a win than Davis, and Young. That said, Young was a huge win after year 1 too, so shit can change. My *opinion* is Dotson is moving towards win and will stay there.

Cosmi is the epitome of “meh”, and Mathis is nearing “yikes” as he’s never healthy.

Drafts are really graded after 3 years. That’s all I am saying. Saying one is a win and the other is a yikes after one season when both have missed games due to injury is premature.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Good news.

 

[g00n]

Calling it now. RR will do the same shit he's done to other young QBs in order to protect his job.

He'll give SH a little bit of rope and let him hang himself. He'll amplify some errors in the media early on and set the stage for the veteran Brissett to step in.

RR is not going to rest his job in the first season under a new owner on a rookie or 2nd year project QB.

 

[Ridley Simon]

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Calling it now. RR will do the same shit he's done to other young QBs in order to protect his job.

He'll give SH a little bit of rope and let him hang himself. He'll amplify some errors in the media early on and set the stage for the veteran Brissett to step in.

RR is not going to rest his job in the first season under a new owner on a rookie or 2nd year project QB.

Which other young QB’s? Haskins? Heineke? Generally curious who you mean.

 

[g00n]

Which other young QB’s? Haskins? Heineke? Generally curious who you mean.

He did it with Haskins for sure. DH maybe wasn't the best material but RR seemed to set him up to fail and cut him after 6 weeks in year 1.

He flipped off of TH in a similar manner, though not as drastically.

They tried to wedge Alex Smith, Fitzmagic, Wentz, and now Brissett in there while RR has been in charge. He tried to make Kyle Allen a thing (based on 2yrs in Carolina with RR). He seems very risk-averse at QB in general and imo in the 1st year under a new owner he might have more reason to pull the plug.

I'm skeptical that he rides out Howell through a losing or mediocre season and if things look sour after a few weeks JB will be in.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

All SH has to do is perform to prevent RR from pulling the rip cord.

RR knows he should be pushing for a playoff spot with this roster, and he’s almost certainly not earning an extension from the new boss without that.

I can‘t fault him for being desperate to win. I simply think he’s keeping SH reigned in and in a constant “prove it” mode is all…..

 

[g00n]

All SH has to do is perform to prevent RR from pulling the rip cord.

RR knows he should be pushing for a playoff spot with this roster, and he’s almost certainly not earning an extension from the new boss without that.

I can‘t fault him for being desperate to win. I simply think he’s keeping SH reigned in and in a constant “prove it” mode is all…..

Right, but more with TH than DH I think RR tried to amplify some week-to-week issues in order to make changes. A player who's developing like SH is going to suffer if every little error gets blown up to "you're going to lose your job".

IMO that's the kind of pressure Cousins was playing under while here and I think it made him a little neurotic.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

I dig it. Colonial Sasquatch.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[Ridley Simon]

He did it with Haskins for sure. DH maybe wasn't the best material but RR seemed to set him up to fail and cut him after 6 weeks in year 1.

He flipped off of TH in a similar manner, though not as drastically.

They tried to wedge Alex Smith, Fitzmagic, Wentz, and now Brissett in there while RR has been in charge. He tried to make Kyle Allen a thing (based on 2yrs in Carolina with RR). He seems very risk-averse at QB in general and imo in the 1st year under a new owner he might have more reason to pull the plug.

I'm skeptical that he rides out Howell through a losing or mediocre season and if things look sour after a few weeks JB will be in.

I don’t really given Haskins much benefit of doubt….and Heineke is hardly “young”.

That said, he absolutely will pivot off SH to JB if they are losing games due to QB play. And candidly, he prob should.

JB is a decent to good QB. They all feel pressured to win (Harris does as well), so it’s gonna go that way. No matter what, IMO.

All SH has to do is perform to prevent RR from pulling the rip cord.

RR knows he should be pushing for a playoff spot with this roster, and he’s almost certainly not earning an extension from the new boss without that.

I can‘t fault him for being desperate to win. I simply think he’s keeping SH reigned in and in a constant “prove it” mode is all…..

“this is the way”

 

[g00n]

I don’t really given Haskins much benefit of doubt….and Heineke is hardly “young”.

That said, he absolutely will pivot off SH to JB if they are losing games due to QB play. And candidly, he prob should.

JB is a decent to good QB. They all feel pressured to win (Harris does as well), so it’s gonna go that way. No matter what, IMO.

Young, unproven, whatever the term. Same difference.

Regarding Haskins we were all pretty much in agreement RR was fast-tracking him for the boot starting in training camp or preseason, iirc. Again, not saying DH was great but pretty clear what RR was doing, what he prefers, and what he's likely to have in mind in this inaugural Dan-free season.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Haskins was probably a train wreck behind the scenes compared to SH’s work ethic (and overall readiness as compared to DH)….just my uninformed opinion though….

 

[Beef Invictus]

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Calling it now. RR will do the same shit he's done to other young QBs in order to protect his job.

He'll give SH a little bit of rope and let him hang himself. He'll amplify some errors in the media early on and set the stage for the veteran Brissett to step in.

RR is not going to rest his job in the first season under a new owner on a rookie or 2nd year project QB.

Howell won't let it happen. Howell is the best QB in franchise history. You're all going to see. You're all going to learn.

 

[g00n]

Haskins was probably a train wreck behind the scenes compared to SH’s work ethic (and overall readiness as compared to DH)….just my uninformed opinion though….

Probably, but I don't know that RR gives the good guy discount if his job is on the line and the team is 2-4 or 2-5.

edit: adding to this, TH had great character and RR still did him wrong at least once or twice including the total botch at the end of the season putting Wentz in and not knowing the playoff scenario, and throwing TH under the bus a bit in some of those later games.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[Neil Racki]

Probably, but I don't know that RR gives the good guy discount if his job is on the line and the team is 2-4 or 2-5.

edit: adding to this, TH had great character and RR still did him wrong at least once or twice including the total botch at the end of the season putting Wentz in and not knowing the playoff scenario, and throwing TH under the bus a bit in some of those later games.

Taylor Heinike would be asking if we want guac with our burrito if not for Ron and Scott.

The hate of Ron is so odd to me. he knows he needs to find a franchise QB or get lucky and get an available vet to give him a Geno Smith type season.

Ron has tried everything to find a QB. he gave guys living in their sisters absement a chance. Hes signed a journeyman vet every year hoping for 10 weeks of stable average Qb play. He tried to get Stafford and Wilson.

Its like how everyone hates the name Commanders .. but no one has a good suggestion for replacement.

Lots of people hate on Ron for not figuring out the Qb thing .. but no one can name an opportunity he had and he screwed it up or turned it down.

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Doesnt Ron get credit for finding a "great character" heinike off the street? Or a 'would have been a first rounder" Howell who he took in the 5th?

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Bottom line .. no one playing Qb for us the past 5 years have been the answer. We need to keep looking and looking and looking until we find the answer.

news flash -- 5th rounder Howell probably wont be the answer either and we will be looking for a new Qb next year. Ron here or Ron not here.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Taylor Heinike would be asking if we want guac with our burrito if not for Ron and Scott.

The hate of Ron is so odd to me. he knows he needs to find a franchise QB or get lucky and get an available vet to give him a Geno Smith type season.

Ron has tried everything to find a QB. he gave guys living in their sisters absement a chance. Hes signed a journeyman vet every year hoping for 10 weeks of stable average Qb play. He tried to get Stafford and Wilson.

Its like how everyone hates the name Commanders .. but no one has a good suggestion for replacement.

Lots of people hate on Ron for not figuring out the Qb thing .. but no one can name an opportunity he had and he screwed it up or turned it down.

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Doesnt Ron get credit for finding a "great character" heinike off the street? Or a 'would have been a first rounder" Howell who he took in the 5th?

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Bottom line .. no one playing Qb for us the past 5 years have been the answer. We need to keep looking and looking and looking until we find the answer.

news flash -- 5th rounder Howell probably wont be the answer either and we will be looking for a new Qb next year. Ron here or Ron not here.

I think there’s little hate for RR…..more like he’s a lovable grandpa who is just slipping and we all know he can be replaced with better.

 

[g00n]

Taylor Heinike would be asking if we want guac with our burrito if not for Ron and Scott.

The hate of Ron is so odd to me. he knows he needs to find a franchise QB or get lucky and get an available vet to give him a Geno Smith type season.

Ron has tried everything to find a QB. he gave guys living in their sisters absement a chance. Hes signed a journeyman vet every year hoping for 10 weeks of stable average Qb play. He tried to get Stafford and Wilson.

Its like how everyone hates the name Commanders .. but no one has a good suggestion for replacement.

Lots of people hate on Ron for not figuring out the Qb thing .. but no one can name an opportunity he had and he screwed it up or turned it down.

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Doesnt Ron get credit for finding a "great character" heinike off the street? Or a 'would have been a first rounder" Howell who he took in the 5th?

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Bottom line .. no one playing Qb for us the past 5 years have been the answer. We need to keep looking and looking and looking until we find the answer.

news flash -- 5th rounder Howell probably wont be the answer either and we will be looking for a new Qb next year. Ron here or Ron not here.

Jeez, take it easy.

Nobody said TH or any of those guys were "the answer". But RR clearly throws QBs under the bus and prefers "safer" options despite his "riverboat" reputation.

 

[g00n]

And regarding TH, from what I recall they pretty much had no real choice when they turned to him and he played so well they were basically forced to keep rolling with him. Then they tried to replace him and Fitz went down. Then they got Wentz and he blew, and TH resurrected the team for a while before everyone started sucking and he took the blame.

So I'm not giving RR much credit for TH having the red carpet rolled out.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Jeez, take it easy.

Nobody said TH or any of those guys were "the answer". But RR clearly throws QBs under the bus and prefers "safer" options despite his "riverboat" reputation.

I mean they didn’t deserve to see a little underside of the bus from their performances at times?

 

[g00n]

I mean they didn’t deserve to see a little underside of the bus from their performances at times?

Publicly? No way

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Publicly? No way

I don’t recall anything scathing that was public. If you’re not getting the performance you need at a position it’s going to get asked about. No comment is probably the smartest answer for sure. I would hope he’s a little more mindful that SH could earn him his next extension or job.

 

[g00n]

I don’t recall anything scathing that was public. If you’re not getting the performance you need at a position it’s going to get asked about. No comment is probably the smartest answer for sure. I would hope he’s a little more mindful that SH could earn him his next extension or job.

With Haskins for sure. It was a soap opera.

With TH it was more about downplaying the faults with protection that led to turnovers which were blamed for losses, and using a few drives in junk time to justify putting Wentz back in. Then Wentz had a 0TD/3INT game with a 31.4 rating and his worst game of the season.

Not to mention just passing the guy over again and again for veterans who are all out of the league after basically 1yr with Washington.

I don't think this is that controversial of a position. RR is going to look for reasons to insert the more experienced QB.