OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[Neil Racki]

Who is going to get into a skirmish?

Stromberg and Turner on offense
Ridgeway and Ridgeway and Ridgeway for D

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Forbes broke up a pass to OBJ and then punched another dude in the face. I like it.

Antonio Gibson absolutely ran someone over. I’ll see if I can find the highlight.

 

[Cush]

 

[Cush]

 

[Neil Racki]

Didnt preciate Ravens #13 grabbing our #13 from behind like that

 

[Cush]

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Said it a few times but reaching on a rotational DT in the second round last year and a rotational DB in the second this year when there are quality offensive linemen on the board still is looking to be like a big mistake. It seemed dumb then and it seems dumber now. I know it’s not his fault that he’s been injured but even if he was healthy, spending a second on a position where you have four former first rounders playing there never made sense. Big dudes who are run stuffers aren’t special unless they’re really special and nothing about Mathis seems special.

They took Mathis in the second last year and then got a player who fills the same role for free in John Ridgeway (who was drafted in the 5th round). They took Quan Martin this year and he’s 6th deep on the DB depth chart with Christian Holmes playing above him (who was drafted in the 7th last year). Just seems like a really bad use of good draft picks.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Would be really cool if he really said that.

 

[Neil Racki]

Said it a few times but reaching on a rotational DT in the second round last year and a rotational DB in the second this year when there are quality offensive linemen on the board still is looking to be like a big mistake.

I said it before and this is doing more than revisionist history but..

We had the 16th pick.
Steelers had 17th pick.

Steelers were proactive and traded 17+120 for 14th overall and took Broderick Jones (who was the last 5 star top tier player)

We took Forbes (16th overall) and (checks notes) guard Braeden Daniels (pick #118).

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Next time there is a stud at a position of need ... maybe spend that 4th round pick to get your guy.

Forbes could be great . who knows but taking him at 16 was a reach and felt like we missed on the tier 1 guys.

Stings to see both 3rd round and 4th round Interior OL seemingly "red shirting" this year. 3rd and 4th round IOL should be competing for a starter role or definitely be 2nd on depth chart.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I like the effort but punching helmets is as dumb as it gets. How many times do we see people break fingers doing that.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Said it a few times but reaching on a rotational DT in the second round last year and a rotational DB in the second this year when there are quality offensive linemen on the board still is looking to be like a big mistake. It seemed dumb then and it seems dumber now. I know it’s not his fault that he’s been injured but even if he was healthy, spending a second on a position where you have four former first rounders playing there never made sense. Big dudes who are run stuffers aren’t special unless they’re really special and nothing about Mathis seems special.

They took Mathis in the second last year and then got a player who fills the same role for free in John Ridgeway (who was drafted in the 5th round). They took Quan Martin this year and he’s 6th deep on the DB depth chart with Christian Holmes playing above him (who was drafted in the 7th last year). Just seems like a really bad use of good draft picks.

In context, I think they were assuming Mathis would replace Payne. Then the 2022 season happened.

I also think Martin is bc Curl needs a new contract. So it’s the same thing, yet different positions.

I’m not saying it’s the correct move. But I do see the logic

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

In context, I think they were assuming Mathis would replace Payne. Then the 2022 season happened.

I also think Martin is bc Curl needs a new contract. So it’s the same thing, yet different positions.

I’m not saying it’s the correct move. But I do see the logic

It’s bad logic, if that’s the case. You’re making your team worse than it could be now in case you don’t want to or can’t pay a better player at the same position later? I get it but that’s a move for a cap strapped team with a good roster to make, not a team with glaring holes at multiple positions trying to have its first winning season in years.

 

[Ridley Simon]

It’s bad logic, if that’s the case. You’re making your team worse than it could be now in case you don’t want to or can’t pay a better player at the same position later? I get it but that’s a move for a cap strapped team with a good roster to make, not a team with glaring holes at multiple positions trying to have its first winning season in years.

Forethought vs afterthought.

I dunno. Let’s also assume they were following their board.

There are also some mantras in the NFL “can’t have too many D-Linemen” & “can’t have too many defensive backs”

Now maybe they aren’t the correct ones (Mathis & Martin), but we all preach BPA, so I’d assume that’s what they did.

What’s truly criminal? It’s not using their cap space to sign more OL. And also screwing around with their TE, and LB, after KNOWING, they’d drafted the way they did.

Ron may be a good coach (may…..be), but He’s not a great GM. Even with some of the players they’ve done well with in the later rounds.

 

[Neil Racki]

Now maybe they aren’t the correct ones (Mathis & Martin), but we all preach BPA, so I’d assume that’s what they did.

I dont have a big problem with the way they draft and its BPA with need being a tie breaker.

Question/problem/issue I have is .. are we going BPA? We reach.

Jamin Davis was a reach on paper and seemingly in real life.
Emmanuel Forbes is a reach on paper but we will see.

Mathis taken at #47 when PFF are others had him as the #94 ranked player ... is a reach. Then our 3rd rounder Stromberg and 4th rounder we took a bit early vs projections. When there were seemingly better on paper prospects at those positions.

Our scouts/GM are clearly following their own board/grades ...

 

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[kicksavedave]

Wait is this no local blackout?

Edit: only phones and tablets. Well....baby steps. Though I do have a sweet ass Sammy tablet.

I've used Chrome cast to put my cell phone or laptop browser up on the TV and it works pretty well. You're even able to cast a single Chrome tab, keeping other tabs on your laptop/tablet for use while watchin the game (hint Fantasy football scores)

Wait, if its an app then never mind.

 

[kicksavedave]

In context, I think they were assuming Mathis would replace Payne. Then the 2022 season happened.

I also think Martin is bc Curl needs a new contract. So it’s the same thing, yet different positions.

I’m not saying it’s the correct move. But I do see the logic

This ^^^. Plus, you don't draft for todays needs, you draft for needs that may occur in a year or two or three. Which means BPA.

Its fair to question of Mathis and Forbes and Quan were the BPA or good value, but the strategy of trying to fill immediate holes with draft picks is entirely unsound. Drafting for immediate need is mostly stupid especially outside the top 10 picks where the uncertainty climbs exponentially.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

This ^^^. Plus, you don't draft for todays needs, you draft for needs that may occur in a year or two or three. Which means BPA.

Its fair to question of Mathis and Forbes and Quan were the BPA or good value, but the strategy of trying to fill immediate holes with draft picks is entirely unsound. Drafting for immediate need is mostly stupid especially outside the top 10 picks where the uncertainty climbs exponentially.

Sure that’s fine but only if you actually pick BPA and I think it’s hard to argue that Jamin Davis, Phil Mathis, and Quan Martin (and even Emmanuel Forbes) were all the BPA. All three were considered reaches and even with Forbes, the best cornerback available was considered to be Christian Gonzalez.

They obviously have forgotten more about football than I’ll ever know and they have their own boards and method of evaluation but I think it’s hard to say they weren’t drafting for need with a lot of those selections and it hasn’t turned out well (yet, except for Forbes who looks like a baller).

 

[kicksavedave]

Sure that’s fine but only if you actually pick BPA and I think it’s hard to argue that Jamin Davis, Phil Mathis, and Quan Martin (and even Emmanuel Forbes) were all the BPA. All three were considered reaches and even with Forbes, the best cornerback available was considered to be Christian Gonzalez.

They obviously have forgotten more about football than I’ll ever know and they have their own boards and method of evaluation but I think it’s hard to say they weren’t drafting for need with a lot of those selections and it hasn’t turned out well (yet, except for Forbes who looks like a baller).

Totally fair question. They've made some dreadful picks and some really great ones.... ultimately they'll be judged by their entire body of work. In total, the grades are... meh. And some picks that at the time seemed entirely obvious and ended up not working out, looking at you Chase Young.

Its still too early on Forbes but he seems like he could be a really nice pick. His size doesn't appear to be limiting him so far, but we'll see how 17 NFL games impacts him.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I agree with you fellows (@AlexBrovechkin8 & @kicksavedave), as it’s really in the eye of the beholder here.

They seem to “reach” on players in the top 3 rounds (give or take), but have also struck a LOT of gold in rounds 4 thru 7. It IS a little stupefying.

Curl, Butler, St Juste, Robinson, Howell, Turner, Forrest, Cheeseman, Hudson and Gibson were all 3rd or higher.

Dotson was a win.

Young, Mathis, Davis, Forbes, Cosmi are all either “MEH”, to “we will see”, to “Yikes!”

It’s such a weird mix

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I agree with you fellows (@AlexBrovechkin8 & @kicksavedave), as it’s really in the eye of the beholder here.

They seem to “reach” on players in the top 3 rounds (give or take), but have also struck a LOT of gold in rounds 4 thru 7. It IS a little stupefying.

Curl, Butler, St Juste, Robinson, Howell, Turner, Forrest, Cheeseman, Hudson and Gibson were all 3rd or higher.

Dotson was a win.

Young, Mathis, Davis, Forbes, Cosmi are all either “MEH”, to “we will see”, to “Yikes!”

It’s such a weird mix

It is very strange how effective they’ve been in mid to late rounds and how “meh” they’ve been in early rounds. Dotson and Forbes look terrific but punting on the other picks and trading two good picks away for Carson Wentz and his full salary (lol) is not great.

It seems like they outthink themselves in the early rounds. I’m still really chapped about the Mathis selection. You can find guys like him for cheap in free agency or in later rounds in the draft. Matt Ioannidis, Tim Settle, and John Ridgeway were fifth round picks or lower. Chris Baker was undrafted. And I don’t care if they thought he might replace Payne in a year, spending a pick on someone who wasn’t clearly the BPA at the position they needed help the least with made no sense then and it makes less sense now. Rooting for him to turn it around and prove me wrong but yikes.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Dotson was a win.

Young, Mathis, Davis, Forbes, Cosmi are all either “MEH”, to “we will see”, to “Yikes!”

Dotson is a win already, really? He has outrageous potential but he also only played in 12 games last year because of injury. Id like to see him play a full season before saying he is a win.

The others, I wouldn’t put any in the “meh” or “yikes” category. Young is a head case but he was also injured the last two seasons. Mathis was injured as well. Davis is a bonafide starting LB. What else do you want out of him? And according to Doc Walker Cosmi will be solid this year at guard.

 

[kicksavedave]

So does the FO get a pass for Dwayne Haskins, since its been written than Danny made that call? Thats their worst pick in a decade. f***ing Snyder

 

[kicksavedave]

Dotson is a win already, really? He has outrageous potential but he also only played in 12 games last year because of injury. Id like to see him play a full season before saying he is a win.

The others, I wouldn’t put any in the “meh” or “yikes” category. Young is a head case but he was also injured the last two seasons. Mathis was injured as well. Davis is a bonafide starting LB. What else do you want out of him? And according to Doc Walker Cosmi will be solid this year at guard.

Well aint no one gonna suggest that Scary Terry isn't a massive win. Best pick of the last ten years? I think so.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Well aint no one gonna suggest that Scary Terry isn't a massive win. Best pick of the last ten years? I think so.

Value wise it’s hard to argue against Terry. Cousins has an argument for the best value pick as well but obviously a lot of that value has been realized somewhere else. Other guys with good arguments since 2010 are Alfred Morris (6th round), Morgan Moses (3rd round), Jamison Crowder (4th round), Kendall Fuller (3rd round), and Kam Curl (7th round).

Best players overall drafted in the last ten years, I’d probably put him fourth behind Allen, Payne, and Scherff.