OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[ynotcaps]

As a Washington football fan, I really enjoy watching McCarthy "coach" in big games.

 

[g00n]

Will be interesting to hear post-game comments about that f***ed up ending. They showed footage of 68 walking up to the ref before that conversion. What would he be saying to him if not reporting as eligible?

 

[ynotcaps]

Will be interesting to hear post-game comments about that f***ed up ending. They showed footage of 68 walking up to the ref before that conversion. What would he be saying to him if not reporting as eligible?

Yeah, I thought the official effed them over on that. According to the retired official they had on the broadcast, though, Decker was also uncovered, and there was a third element DET screwed up, too. So it sounds like if the ineligible hadn't been called, either other foul would have negated the play anyway.

Either way, I wanted DET, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if DAL still has something to play for next week.

 

[g00n]

Brad Allen's officiating crew has been at the center of the bad call controversy recently. From earlier this month:

Brad Allen's crew faces increased scrutiny after a pair of missed pass interference calls

Although people like Cowboys owner Jerry Jones believe bad calls are just part of doing business in the NFL, bad calls have consequences.

www.nbcsports.com

From last night:

Here's what referee Brad Allen said about the penalty on the Lions 2-point conversion

NFL referee Brad Allen spoke to a pool reporter following the Detroit Lions controversial loss to the Dallas Cowboys on Saturday night.

www.wxyz.com

No mention of the formation being illegal beyond that. Decker says he reported and he looks like he reported from the video I saw.

I think he reported, Allen only heard #70 report (or thought 70 instead of 68 because that had already happened several times) and that's all he told the d-line. If all these guys say is "report" and not their number then 68 and 70 could report at the same time and the ref might just assume he only heard 70 reporting again. Then maybe they asked the d-line and they told him he only said #70 so in his mind #68 never reported.

edit: in fact I just found an account that claims exactly the above:

Roger Goodell’s so-called better-than-ever NFL officiating blew the end of Cowboys-Lions, then doubled down

Whether it was a miscommunication or an outright error by the officials, Saturday's controversial finish is another bad look for the league in a high-profile spot.

sports.yahoo.com

Here's another link where Allen clears up the shit Buck and Aikman were talking about regarding the formation being illegal anyway. It wasn't. Not for #68.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article283682988.html

Goff tells 68 to report and is seen sending him to the ref. The coach tells 68 to report. 68 says he reported. 70 says he did NOT speak. Ref hears 68 and thinks it was 70. Then 68 lines up as eligible but 70 doesn't...why would they do this if they hadn't reported correctly?


Basically this inept or corrupt officiating crew screwed the Lions and handed a win to the Cowboys.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Insider revelations paint bleak picture for Commanders GM Martin Mayhew — Riggo's Rag

Big changes are coming to the Commanders this offseason... Dec 31, 2023 Recent insider revelations about what comes next for the Washington Commanders paint a bleak picture for general manager Martin Mayhew. As the Washington Commanders gear up for what looks to be an extremely tough challenge...

apple.news

 

[g00n]

Howell starting. JB out.

Sam is being fed into a meat grinder.

I wonder if he'll just play one half of this game.

 

[ynotcaps]

Brad Allen's officiating crew has been at the center of the bad call controversy recently. From earlier this month:

Brad Allen's crew faces increased scrutiny after a pair of missed pass interference calls

Although people like Cowboys owner Jerry Jones believe bad calls are just part of doing business in the NFL, bad calls have consequences.

www.nbcsports.com

From last night:

Here's what referee Brad Allen said about the penalty on the Lions 2-point conversion

NFL referee Brad Allen spoke to a pool reporter following the Detroit Lions controversial loss to the Dallas Cowboys on Saturday night.

www.wxyz.com

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No mention of the formation being illegal beyond that. Decker says he reported and he looks like he reported from the video I saw.

View attachment 793219

I think he reported, Allen only heard #70 report (or thought 70 instead of 68 because that had already happened several times) and that's all he told the d-line. If all these guys say is "report" and not their number then 68 and 70 could report at the same time and the ref might just assume he only heard 70 reporting again. Then maybe they asked the d-line and they told him he only said #70 so in his mind #68 never reported.

edit: in fact I just found an account that claims exactly the above:

Roger Goodell’s so-called better-than-ever NFL officiating blew the end of Cowboys-Lions, then doubled down

Whether it was a miscommunication or an outright error by the officials, Saturday's controversial finish is another bad look for the league in a high-profile spot.

sports.yahoo.com

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Here's another link where Allen clears up the shit Buck and Aikman were talking about regarding the formation being illegal anyway. It wasn't. Not for #68.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article283682988.html

View attachment 793220

Goff tells 68 to report and is seen sending him to the ref. The coach tells 68 to report. 68 says he reported. 70 says he did NOT speak. Ref hears 68 and thinks it was 70. Then 68 lines up as eligible but 70 doesn't...why would they do this if they hadn't reported correctly?


Basically this inept or corrupt officiating crew screwed the Lions and handed a win to the Cowboys.

I stand corrected, thanks for the research.
**** that crew. They shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a playoff game -- even if they buy tickets.

 

[ynotcaps]

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Howell starting. JB out.

Sam is being fed into a meat grinder.

I wonder if he'll just play one half of this game.

I just hope we can keep it closer than Florida State did last night.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Brad Allen's officiating crew has been at the center of the bad call controversy recently. From earlier this month:

Brad Allen's crew faces increased scrutiny after a pair of missed pass interference calls

Although people like Cowboys owner Jerry Jones believe bad calls are just part of doing business in the NFL, bad calls have consequences.

www.nbcsports.com

From last night:

Here's what referee Brad Allen said about the penalty on the Lions 2-point conversion

NFL referee Brad Allen spoke to a pool reporter following the Detroit Lions controversial loss to the Dallas Cowboys on Saturday night.

www.wxyz.com

View attachment 793218

No mention of the formation being illegal beyond that. Decker says he reported and he looks like he reported from the video I saw.

View attachment 793219

I think he reported, Allen only heard #70 report (or thought 70 instead of 68 because that had already happened several times) and that's all he told the d-line. If all these guys say is "report" and not their number then 68 and 70 could report at the same time and the ref might just assume he only heard 70 reporting again. Then maybe they asked the d-line and they told him he only said #70 so in his mind #68 never reported.

edit: in fact I just found an account that claims exactly the above:

Roger Goodell’s so-called better-than-ever NFL officiating blew the end of Cowboys-Lions, then doubled down

Whether it was a miscommunication or an outright error by the officials, Saturday's controversial finish is another bad look for the league in a high-profile spot.

sports.yahoo.com

View attachment 793222

Here's another link where Allen clears up the shit Buck and Aikman were talking about regarding the formation being illegal anyway. It wasn't. Not for #68.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article283682988.html

View attachment 793220

Goff tells 68 to report and is seen sending him to the ref. The coach tells 68 to report. 68 says he reported. 70 says he did NOT speak. Ref hears 68 and thinks it was 70. Then 68 lines up as eligible but 70 doesn't...why would they do this if they hadn't reported correctly?


Basically this inept or corrupt officiating crew screwed the Lions and handed a win to the Cowboys.

Meh. I hate the Cowboys AND put down a large ML bet on the Lions when they were down 7-3 in the 2nd Q. So I got doubly screwed on this one.

That said, Campbell is an idiot. Once it got marked back to the 7 yard line, you kick the XP and go to OT. Regardless of why, you take your lump and move to fight another day. Odds were very much stacked against them at the 7 vs the 2.

Coach botched it

 

[ynotcaps]

Insider revelations paint bleak picture for Commanders GM Martin Mayhew — Riggo's Rag

Big changes are coming to the Commanders this offseason... Dec 31, 2023 Recent insider revelations about what comes next for the Washington Commanders paint a bleak picture for general manager Martin Mayhew. As the Washington Commanders gear up for what looks to be an extremely tough challenge...

apple.news

Not exactly news, but nice to see some confirmation of the obvious.
I saw somewhere -- Riggo's Rag or Hog's Haven or somewhere -- that there are signs that we're seriously discussing trading up w/ Bears to get 1OA. I was alarmed until I remembered that anyone who may be having such discussions will be locked out of the building 1 minute after the season ends.

 

[g00n]

Meh. I hate the Cowboys AND put down a large ML bet on the Lions when they were down 7-3 in the 2nd Q. So I got doubly screwed on this one.

That said, Campbell is an idiot. Once it got marked back to the 7 yard line, you kick the XP and go to OT. Regardless of why, you take your lump and move to fight another day. Odds were very much stacked against them at the 7 vs the 2.

Coach botched it

Yeah he was on tilt but should never have been put in that position.

There is something wrong with that specific officiating crew. They have a track record of costly, late mistakes.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I just hope we can keep it closer than Florida State did last night.

College Football powers reaped what they sowed on that one…..the Orange Bowl sponsors should get a massive refund…..total farce. Waiting to see a lot more top, but non-playoff teams start to lose starters for these now (pretty much) meaningless other bowl games.

 

[Capsman]

I wonder how it feels for Rivera to know that the ownership and fans rooted for him to stick around for the rest of the season and be who he is as a coach …so we can be as lousy as possible. I hope he feels the humiliation deep in his core.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Ridonkulous pick 6 Eagles…

 

[g00n]

After seeing the Bro Shove enough times I think I've figured it out.

All the pundits talk about Hurts' squatting power and his legs but it's asinine to believe one guy's legs are driving that entire pile. Or even one guy with 2 guys helping him push the pile.

If you watch carefully you can see Hurts actually picks up his feet and is pushed along the backs of the O-line, who get low and push as hard as they can, while the shovers push Hurts along this human sled.

If you're a d-lineman trying to stop it you can't get any leverage on Hurts because your own legs are being driven back by the O-line.

I'm not sure how you stop it when done correctly. Maybe you have to focus on the shovers and dive over the pile to stop them. Maybe you have to quickly and somehow get lower than the O-line so they can't establish that runway for Hurts to be pushed across. Or maybe you just have to create your own human sled to oppose Hurts and have one more guy shoving than the Eagles do.

 

[Capsman]

Rivera’s situational awareness is especially bad. Then he calls a timeout with 35 seconds left. The guy took a few too many head shots in his career.

 

[Corby78]

After seeing the Bro Shove enough times I think I've figured it out.

All the pundits talk about Hurts' squatting power and his legs but it's asinine to believe one guy's legs are driving that entire pile. Or even one guy with 2 guys helping him push the pile.

If you watch carefully you can see Hurts actually picks up his feet and is pushed along the backs of the O-line, who get low and push as hard as they can, while the shovers push Hurts along this human sled.

If you're a d-lineman trying to stop it you can't get any leverage on Hurts because your own legs are being driven back by the O-line.

I'm not sure how you stop it when done correctly. Maybe you have to focus on the shovers and dive over the pile to stop them. Maybe you have to quickly and somehow get lower than the O-line so they can't establish that runway for Hurts to be pushed across. Or maybe you just have to create your own human sled to oppose Hurts and have one more guy shoving than the Eagles do.

Lol I like the sled vs sled strategy

 

[g00n]

Every QB sneak is called a shove now. PHI just ran a regular sneak and the announcers were gushing about Hurts's strength making the shove work. There was no shove. He just picked a gap and ran through it.

 

[ynotcaps]

Really good day today. The right result, but a respectable showing. Saw some heart
And Sam has now fully convinced me that we need to go QB in April if one of the top 2 are there for us, and maybe even JD. I like the kid, but too many enforced errors.
Now if the Cards pull out a miracle... that'll make it a perfect day.

 

[Corby78]

Cards are in it, that would be amazing

 

[RedRocking]

I believe, Kyler!!

 

[Roric]

Ohhhh my god yes cards

 

[Bananas]

So do we hurdle the Cards?

 

[Corby78]

Tank commanders !!!

 

[Holtbyisms]

Up to #2! Let's go!