OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[dreadpirateroberts]

I think there is definitely a scenario where the top 3 is Williams, Maye, and Daniels due to the QB scarcity in the league. Whether the Commanders finish in the top 3 remains to be seen. If the order stays as it is, I think Arizona trades out of #3 to a QB needy team.

If the Commanders miss out on those guys, I think you have to go LT (Fashanu/Alt) and then try to get either McCarthy, Nix, or Penix Jr, whether that’s trading up back into the 1st or letting them fall to you in the 2nd. You can’t just roll with Howell and Brissett if he resigns. I’m not sure a Day 3 rookie is really serious competition either.

 

[ynotcaps]

He’s extremely slight in build. He’s not going to survive the league for long. It’s that simple imo

That picture's at least 2 years old.
He's 6'4", 210 -- and he put on 10 lbs this season on a specific plan the team put in place for him. He can add another 10-12 lbs of good weight easily.
Lamar is 6'2" 212.
Stroud is 6'3, 218.
Love is 6'4, 219.
Stafford, Goff, Geno, Rogers and more in the same neighborhood.
I'm more concerned about Caleb and Penix holding up than Daniels.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

 

[g00n]

I got halfway through and stopped because I assume the rest is also going to be designed runs and straight/go routes from shotgun.

RG4

Pass.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Looks like he can make all the throws to me, plus those legs are absurd. Just don’t want a primarily running QB.

I got halfway through and stopped because I assume the rest is also going to be designed runs and straight/go routes from shotgun.

RG4

Pass.

Your bias against RGMe is noted….damn if I don’t have enough of my own that’s for sure lol, ……but were you not all over how good Richardson was going to be? This guy is a more experienced and developed version on some levels. And a MUCH better passer.

 

[g00n]

Looks like he can make all the throws to me, plus those legs are absurd. Just don’t want a primarily running QB.



Your bias against RGMe is noted….damn if I don’t have enough of my own that’s for sure lol, ……but were you not all over how good Richardson was going to be? This guy is a more experienced and developed version on some levels.

I'm not biased against RG3 I was vocal in support of him when he was here. But he was decidedly one-dimensional and frail.

Richardson is a monster and his injury was upper body due to landing awkwardly on a tackle that could happen on any play.

If there are more types of plays in that video I didn't see any.

 

[ynotcaps]

Looks like he can make all the throws to me, plus those legs are absurd. Just don’t want a primarily running QB.



Your bias against RGMe is noted….damn if I don’t have enough of my own that’s for sure lol, ……but were you not all over how good Richardson was going to be? This guy is a more experienced and developed version on many levels.

I went to 2 LSU games this year and the guy is all that. You could also see the difference b/t him and the other QBs just in the on-field warm-up drills.
He can make every throw, his deep ball is ungodly, and he can unleash it with accuracy even on the run outside of the pocket.
I share the RG3 fear on the running side -- and he's got a quick run-trigger -- but I think he has a much better repertoire of throws. I'd also be nervous about him in WAS in that both our WR and OL situations are well below what he had at LSU.
The one thing that might work out if we somehow fall and the OLs are gone by the time we pick, is that we could take him and let him sit a year behind SH while we see if whatever fixes we make to the OL this offseason work out. It's not as if we're going to magically become a title contender in one offseason.
All that said -- give me Fashanu at 4 or Alt at 5 (assuming the board works out that way.)

 

[ynotcaps]

I got halfway through and stopped because I assume the rest is also going to be designed runs and straight/go routes from shotgun.

RG4

Pass.

Well, by definition a hype video is going to feature explosive plays rather than demonstrate mastery of the route tree.
I look at that and see a guy who drop the deep ball to his guy in stride, can put the ball on the boundary in the end zone where only his receiver can make the play, and can fire a laser when that's called for.
The runs scare the shit out of me. As they did w. RG3. As they will with any mobile WAS QB for the rest of my life.
(The first play in that video was from the Army game, which I was at, in the EZ right behind him -- was an amazing view of an incredible play. They took Daniels out at the half up 38-0, ended 62-0. I think the last time the Army took a beating like that was in the Philippines in 1942.)

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I'm not biased against RG3 I was vocal in support of him when he was here. But he was decidedly one-dimensional and frail.

Richardson is a monster and his injury was upper body due to landing awkwardly on a tackle that could happen on any play.

If there are more types of plays in that video I didn't see any.

You’re biased now having been burned by RGMe just like the rest of us are….we were all supporters when he was good!

He‘s got plenty of frame to add on a little muscle….at 6’4.

Richardson is a run first guy with hardly any experience as a passer….that’s why he will ultimately fail.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

If they think the QB is going to be a star then they have to take them. It’s a QB driven league.

I hear Hurts thrown out as an example but they have the best OL in the league. Purdy is killing it but that line is terrific as well. Stroud has an OL with a lot of resources put into it down in Houston and Jacksonville made big moves on the OL to help Lawrence.

Whoever is under center needs to be behind a better line. Seeing Howell in San Fran or on one of those other teams will a great line would be interesting.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

lol Holy Drew Lock….

 

[Ridley Simon]

Said it before, will say it again -- JD will probably be a monster. But if we can't get one of the top 2, would still prefer Fashanu/Alt at 3 or 4.

He’s Bryce Young. Thank you, but NO Thank you.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Sooo...jalen hurts? Sounds pretty damn good to me. Kid just needs to get in the weight room and eat more

Jalen Hurts is 6’1 and 230.

Jayden Daniel’s is 6’4 and 205.

They are not the same. One is a tank. The other is a twig

 

[Bananas]

Bottom line is you have to draft a QB if you like whoever falls to you more than Howell. Howell’s stock has taken a hit over this last stretch in my eyes, but I’d give the new GM a chance to make his mark either way. It all depends on the deep dive that the scouts and GM have to do on the QB situation. If they like Howell, build around him. If not you have to take your shot and that includes trading up. I’m OK with skimping on the D as long as they can give whoever the QB is more protection/weapons. It’s been a hard year to evaluate the roster with this coaching staff getting embarrassed. Surely everyone can’t be as bad as they seem rn.

 

[usiel]

My fear of the Commanders drafting JD is why I hope the get the #2 pick so if they decide to go with a QB they will at least get a choice between Caleb and Maye. JD's Forbe's like build doesn't look like a long career even as much as QBs are protected. I do think JD actually knows how to QB slide which is something RG3 admitted he wasn't good at back then.

 

[John Price]

I trust whoever the front office and new coach choose

Last time we picked a QB we had a bad owner who colluded to draft him.

when we draft next year we hopefully will have an entire clean house. keep or bench Sam, doesn't matter.

 

[Roric]

Jalen Hurts is 6’1 and 230.

Jayden Daniel’s is 6’4 and 205.

They are not the same. One is a tank. The other is a twig

Exactly why I said hit the weights and eat more. These guys have access to world class trainers, facilities and diet plans, what's the issue?

That picture's at least 2 years old.
He's 6'4", 210 -- and he put on 10 lbs this season on a specific plan the team put in place for him. He can add another 10-12 lbs of good weight easily.
Lamar is 6'2" 212.
Stroud is 6'3, 218.
Love is 6'4, 219.
Stafford, Goff, Geno, Rogers and more in the same neighborhood.
I'm more concerned about Caleb and Penix holding up than Daniels.

This

 

[g00n]

Hurts is a tank who was squatting cars in college.

This other guy is built like teenage Groot.

 

[Ajax1995]

Hurts is a tank who was squatting cars in college.

This other guy is built like teenage Groot.

I’m not necessarily disagreeing but his junior year height and weight at ASU was 6’3 185. So he has already put on 25 lbs in 2 years and his frame looks like he could put on a reasonable amount more over the next few years also.

Hurts’s junior year height and weight at Alabama for comparison was 6’2 218, so apparently he shrunk an inch.

If they like Daniels QB skills overall, especially his passing skills, I don’t see a reason to shy away from him because he’s currently on the beanpole side. And it is hard not to like his passing accuracy IMO.

 

[kicksavedave]

We could put the fully mature love child of Tom Brady and Joe Montana behind this OL and he will fail.

JD scares me under any normal circumstance. But putting JD behind this OL where he will get sacked 50 plus times, is a metaphysical guaranteed recipe for disaster.

We have a mountain of cap room and multiple top 50 picks. They need to fix the entire OL before they can expect to put any young QB behind them and have success. Use the space and picks to fix the OL, then any QB including Howell, can actually prosper.

 

[ynotcaps]

Jalen Hurts is 6’1 and 230.

Jayden Daniel’s is 6’4 and 205.

They are not the same. One is a tank. The other is a twig

Dude, how can you say JD is not Jalen Hurts in one post and in literally the next post say he is Bryce Young??? I get you don't dig him, and that's completely cool and I'll give you that may very well be right. But you can't say that a 6'4, 210 guy is not 6'1, 230 guy but he is a 5'10" 205 guy!
He's not Bryce Young in any respect at all, including in his arm talent and explosiveness.

On a separate but related note, I wonder how Carolina fans feel today, seeing that there are at least 4 (Caleb, Maye, JD, Penix) at maybe as many as 7 (McCarthy and Sanders if they declare, and Nix if he's not the fraud I think he is) QBs in this draft better than the guy they mortgaged their franchise to take #1 last year.

 

[kicksavedave]

My preference if they can't land Maye or CW, is to trade back if possible, land Alt, add more picks and completely retool.

With an entirely new GM/FO making these calls.

 

[ynotcaps]

We could put the fully mature love child of Tom Brady and Joe Montana behind this OL and he will fail.

JD scares me under any normal circumstance. But putting JD behind this OL where he will get sacked 50 plus times, is a metaphysical guaranteed recipe for disaster.

We have a mountain of cap room and multiple top 50 picks. They need to fix the entire OL before they can expect to put any young QB behind them and have success. Use the space and picks to fix the OL, then any QB including Howell, can actually prosper.

Exactly. Any QB we pick, no matter their skill set, behind this line should pretty much just be considered a victim.
I'm worried that they'll actually be in the position to get Caleb or Maye, which even I think they have to do if they have the chance. They'll obviously invest draft assets and money into the line, but the chance to take a franchise LT is almost as seldom as a chance to take a franchise QB.
Unless we pull a Houston and somehow find a way to draft both... (Yeah, dream on)

 

[kicksavedave]

I'd like to see them address the OL as much as possible in FA, not in the draft, unless the value is right. If JD shows well pre draft, someone is going to want to trade up for him and we should be right there listening to offers. Moving down 4-8 spots may still leave them with Alt at the right value.

Semi annual reminder that counting on rookies to fill current roster holes is a recipe for long term mediocrity.

 

[ynotcaps]

I'd like to see them address the OL as much as possible in FA, not in the draft, unless the value is right. If JD shows well pre draft, someone is going to want to trade up for him and we should be right there listening to offers. Moving down 4-8 spots may still leave them with Alt at the right value.

Semi annual reminder that counting on rookies to fill current roster holes is a recipe for long term mediocrity.

The only roster hole I'm hoping to get filled with a rookie starter is LT. I don't think Alt is going to last beyond the first 6-7 picks.
A team I could see looking to trade up in the top 10 is the NYG, but no way do I want to give them their next starting QB.
The Saints could be looking to trade up, but they're at 12 or 13 right now and that would put us into the netherworld that we usually draft in. But they do love to trade up, so that'd be a pretty secure trade option if we do want to move.