OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[CapitalsCupReality]

Yup. You got me. I don’t like him because he’s black.

You can put all the wink emojis you want but you can f*** right off.

Puddin…..don’t get mad at how you come across, and yes jokes are allowed. Hope it didn’t hit too close to home. Wasn’t my intention! It’s a joke….so lighten the F up.

some sour ass pusses around these parts lately.

 

[kicksavedave]

Yeah, bullshit back at ya. I disagree. He knows the OC job.


Knee jerk is so inaccurate. RR and staff would have been gone earlier if the ownership change hadn’t dragged on. They got stuck with timing for this season.

Fine, replace knee jerk with "mid season" and the rest of the statement applies perfectly.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Fine, replace knee jerk with "mid season" and the rest of the statement applies perfectly.

It’s a firing that’s been talked about widely in the press since last season, and again every game this year when that guy comes across as half senile and lost.

I don't want the owner picking the HC, period. Thats how we got Steve Spurrier. Thats how we lost Marty. Thats how we ended up with Jim Zorn after no one else would even interview.

Needs to be said again, what qualified GM would sign on here with the owner picking the coach for him? That's how we got Vinny and Bruce.

I mean you know Owners typically/ultimately decide/approve/deny the hiring right?

Gm’s target guys, owners hire. Acting like JH is going to step aside and not be heavily involved, and not make the decision, seems unlikely to me.

 

[kicksavedave]

It’s a firing that’s been talked about widely in the press since last season, and again every game this year when that guy comes across as half senile and lost.


I mean you know Owners typically/ultimately decide/approve/deny the hiring right?

Gm’s target guys, owners hire. Acting like JH is going to step aside and not be heavily involved, and not make the decision, seems unlikely to me.

You also know there is a big difference between the GM bringing a chosen candidate to the owner for final approval (Beathard/Gibbs/Cooke) and the owner making the choice then telling the GM who to go hire. (Snyder/Spurrier). The point still remains and is undeniable - no quality GM will come here and work under an owner who has already selected the HC, just like no quality HC will come here and work having the OC (or DC) already selected for him. Of course there are plenty of low quality candidates who would gladly work under those scenarios. The legend of Jim Zorn is a cautionary tale we all know too well.

The process is important. Mid season firings beget chaos. No matter how much RR deserves it.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

You also know there is a big difference between the GM bringing a chosen candidate to the owner for final approval (Beathard/Gibbs/Cooke) and the owner making the choice then telling the GM who to go hire. (Snyder/Spurrier). The point still remains and is undeniable - no quality GM will come here and work under an owner who has already selected the HC, just like no quality HC will come here and work having the OC (or DC) already selected for him. Of course there are plenty of low quality candidates who would gladly work under those scenarios. The legend of Jim Zorn is a cautionary tale we all know too well.

The process is important. Mid season firings beget chaos. No matter how much RR deserves it.

No, I know there COULD be. You don’t know for sure unless you’re in the room. I guarantee you the owner typically vets all candidates, especially those who are RECOMMENDED for hire.

I see a lot of fear of midseason chaos being manufactured here. You’re letting 2 guys go, two guys everyone knows are already out the door on their asses.

 

[kicksavedave]

No, I know there COULD be. You don’t know for sure unless you’re in the room. I guarantee you the owner typically vets all candidates, especially those who are RECOMMENDED for hire.

I see a lot of fear of midseason chaos being manufactured here. You’re letting 2 guys go, two guys everyone knows are already out the door on their asses.

Its not manufactured at all. Its based on very real examples and experiences. Look at the owners who make these mid season moves. Mark Davis. Snyder. Jim Irsay. The Walton's in Denver recently. Look at the history of mid season firings. Those aren't situations with stability and long term good results. Ownership changes are very rare, so almost always a mid season coaching change means someone hired the wrong guy in a massive way - again a signpost of chaos. I suppose you can claim that a new owner gets a pass because they inherited everyone, but mid season changes still begot chaos, this is not a matter of opinion, its based on plenty of examples.

A new owner who fires his inherited HC mid season sends a loud and clear message to future candidates, which is that your leash is short and major disruption is tolerated. Again, ask which quality HC candidates want to come into that situation? How are we not learning anything from Snyder's tenure? We kept getting the guys no one else wanted. Stability and patience are requirements for a good owner. Coaching candidates with options know this.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Well, it seems that some are reading too much into my reasons for looking at HCEB asap. I think it would be fun, and I think he may be a really good HC. New GM’s inherit coaches all the time. Literally all the time.

That shouldn’t scare anyone away from the job, IMO. That’s us having “Danny Syndrome”, and for good reason.

If EB coaches them (rallies) to a good record, then the incoming GM and the owner can decide what to do. A losing record makes that decision easier.

The players thoughts will probably matter anyway, so this would help w that.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Its not manufactured at all. Its based on very real examples and experiences. Look at the owners who make these mid season moves. Mark Davis. Snyder. Jim Irsay. The Walton's in Denver recently. Look at the history of mid season firings. Those aren't situations with stability and long term good results. Ownership changes are very rare, so almost always a mid season coaching change means someone hired the wrong guy in a massive way - again a signpost of chaos. I suppose you can claim that a new owner gets a pass because they inherited everyone, but mid season changes still begot chaos, this is not a matter of opinion, its based on plenty of examples.

A new owner who fires his inherited HC mid season sends a loud and clear message to future candidates, which is that your leash is short and major disruption is tolerated. Again, ask which quality HC candidates want to come into that situation? How are we not learning anything from Snyder's tenure? We kept getting the guys no one else wanted. Stability and patience are requirements for a good owner. Coaching candidates with options know this

youre floating bad owner examples….and suggesting if Harris gets aggressive, he’s one of those guys now…..thats not automatically true. What I would expect, if they did try out EB, they would NOT offer him the HC job after his tryout.

But why not try, (unless JH already has eliminated EB in his mind)? RR and JDR are bordering on incompetent at times week to week.

 

[g00n]

Ravens' Mark Andrews suffered likely season-ending injury on controversial hip-drop tackle

One of the Ravens' best players went down on their first drive with an injury.

sports.yahoo.com

hip drop needs to go the way of the horse collar and clothesline tackle

 

[usiel]

Ravens' Mark Andrews suffered likely season-ending injury on controversial hip-drop tackle

One of the Ravens' best players went down on their first drive with an injury.

sports.yahoo.com

hip drop needs to go the way of the horse collar and clothesline tackle

This just seems like a tackle. Watched that live and no idea this should be a thing.

 

[g00n]

This just seems like a tackle. Watched that live and no idea this should be a thing.

It's where you grab a guy around the waist or torso and just let your weight drop onto his legs, like an anchor. If you're that close you can do a proper tackle that wraps and drives through etc.

They've eliminated other dangerous tackles as I mentioned, and "chop blocks" and "crackback blocks" for similar reasons. Hit on a defenseless receiver, full body weight on the QB, hits to the head, you name it. Plays that are injury-prone get this kind of attention.

As a ballcarrier there's nothing you can do. You can't juke, spin, dive, or even go down in a safe way. The guy grabs you and immediately lands on your moving legs from behind, which causes them to buckle. You have no chance to avoid it and it means 250lbs+ of force coming down on your flexed and exposed joints as they're twisted against the turf.

 

[max21]

I got free tickets for the game Sunday, it would be first time since 2019. I hope I don’t regret this

 

[usiel]

It's where you grab a guy around the waist or torso and just let your weight drop onto his legs, like an anchor. If you're that close you can do a proper tackle that wraps and drives through etc.

They've eliminated other dangerous tackles as I mentioned, and "chop blocks" and "crackback blocks" for similar reasons. Hit on a defenseless receiver, full body weight on the QB, hits to the head, you name it. Plays that are injury-prone get this kind of attention.

As a ballcarrier there's nothing you can do. You can't juke, spin, dive, or even go down in a safe way. The guy grabs you and immediately lands on your moving legs from behind, which causes them to buckle. You have no chance to avoid it and it means 250lbs+ of force coming down on your flexed and exposed joints as they're twisted against the turf.

We can agree to disagree here and move on. For me this is just a tackle.

 

[Neil Racki]

Id say it was like 60% a hip drop tackle ... but it looked like the LB had to do that to make the tackle given his position vs like a skinny CB who intends to do a hip drop as his tackle approach

legislating the hip drop would be very very difficult, subjective and be enforced inconsistently IMO

already so hard on D to make a tackle as is

the wording and then consistent effective enforcement would be impossible IMO

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I got free tickets for the game Sunday, it would be first time since 2019. I hope I don’t regret this

At least you shouldn’t get sewage on you!

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

We can agree to disagree here and move on. For me this is just a tackle.

I agree, but this kind of tackling has become more prevalent and seems more likely to injure.

 

[Neil Racki]

Last year Jonathan Allen and Daron Payne ranked 9th and 12th in pass rush win rate at defensive tackle, respectively.

This year they rank 26th and 42nd (out of 52).

(ESPN Analytics / NFL Next Gen Stats)

— Seth Walder (@SethWalder) November 14, 2023

Payne is 4th highest paid DT, Allen is 10th. I never thought they were top 5 DT but thought both were top 10 ish range w Allen higher imo. With Sweat/Chase gone ... our pass rush is non existent and run D has not been good past 2 weeks.

Seahawks - 26 carries, 120 yds, 4.6 avg
Pats - 19/107/5.6

Hawks are 24th in rushing yds at 99.8 yds/g (after playing us)
Pats 26th, 94.9 yds/g (after playing us)

 

[Roric]

If they lose to danny devito i don’t think i’ll be able to face everyone at work on monday

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

If they lose to Danny Devito someone is getting fired on Monday. Would be embarrassing.

 

[kicksavedave]

youre floating bad owner examples….and suggesting if Harris gets aggressive, he’s one of those guys now…..thats not automatically true. What I would expect, if they did try out EB, they would NOT offer him the HC job after his tryout.

But why not try, (unless JH already has eliminated EB in his mind)? RR and JDR are bordering on incompetent at times week to week.

I'm floating bad owner examples, and suggesting if JH does the same things those guys do, he's different from them, how exactly?

I'm not sure about the idea of not offering him the job after his tryout - isn't that decision just based on his results? Say he takes over this week and goes 7-0 or 6-1. He gets the job long term right? No? Fans will revolt worse than when Snyder pushed Marty out. Say he goes 3-4 or something similar to current production. Does he get a fair crack at the HC role, even though he had no opportunity to install his staff such?

I just think there is much more downside to this "audition" concept than upside. Not to mention, if EB goes 0-7 as interim HC and we're left looking for a whole new staff in January, again, quality candidates will probably look around and say "Same old Redskinnny mess"

Just gonna repeat it again, the new GM should find his HC and sure, JH needs to endorse him, but a new GM being handed a candidate to formally hire is not how good owners operate. And when you do the things that bad owners do, then yes, you too, are a bad owner.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

because a mid-season coaching change doesn’t automatically make you a bad owner.

lol yes if he took over and went 7-0 he’s probably getting the job. Not rocket science…

Fans will revolt….more false dilemmas. Maybe fans don’t want to see the guy get a chance to succeed? I dunno….its puzzling to me, but I expect this to pickup steam every week that it looks like the game has passed by RR and JDR, but we can move on for now.

 

[Cush]

 

[VaCaps Fan]

Damn, I had both kirk cousins and burrow on my fantasy team.

 

[g00n]

"Compression sleeve"

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Press is all over the Bengals for not disclosing he was hurt….