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How many QBs in the league play all 17 games every year?

Only 8 regular QBs started all 17 games in 2022-23.

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At least 3-4 of those guys will scramble pretty readily. Smith, Mahomes and Lawrence were top 10 in QB rush yds last year.

QBs get hurt. A lot.

That said I don't think AR will be used the same way when/if he comes back. These guys tend to run more readily until injury, then they get schemed for more pocket passing because of the injury history. Lamar is doing the same thing rn
They also slide. AR got hurt getting popped at the goal line and then the Colts, in my opinion, probably brought him back too soon. Now you’ve got this potential snowball effect when he should have been made to rest even as a precaution, and they really do need to have a serious conversation with him about the long term worth of winning these small battles when nothing more important than his career is on the line.

There’s a reason Josh Allen looks like a goddamn maniac, it’s not just about being a running QB it’s about their style and willingness to try to win contact or dive for shit they could probably just let the RB pick up on the next play.

Getting AR to do that more like, say, Herbert where he mostly slides and then occasionally wins winnable/important contacts with his frame would help both parties a lot.
 
They also slide. AR got hurt getting popped at the goal line and then the Colts, in my opinion, probably brought him back too soon. Now you’ve got this potential snowball effect when he should have been made to rest even as a precaution, and they really do need to have a serious conversation with him about the long term worth of winning these small battles when nothing more important than his career is on the line.

There’s a reason Josh Allen looks like a goddamn maniac, it’s not just about being a running QB it’s about their style and willingness to try to win contact or dive for shit they could probably just let the RB pick up on the next play.

Getting AR to do that more like, say, Herbert where he mostly slides and then occasionally wins winnable/important contacts with his frame would help both parties a lot.

A lot of guys in the NFL seem to be very bad at receiving a tackle, or just getting down when the risk of injury or fumbling outweighs the need for an extra yard. This drives me crazy.
 
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A lot of guys in the NFL seem to be very bad at receiving a tackle, or just getting down when the risk of injury or fumbling outweighs the need for an extra yard. This drives me crazy.
I feel like the only positions who have gotten any better at this are DB and WR, wasn’t long ago you’d have a lot more interceptions turned fumbles and WRs losing balls and getting hurt trying to pick up two more yards.

Now at least DBs return until it stops being easy and WRs are more likely to drop or step out without it looking “soft” or uncompetitive.

Everyone else still seems like a knob re-learning the same lessons though.
 
AR plays an inherantly more dangerous style at QB. The Colts knew this, are using him as expected for him to be successful, and he has gotten dinged every game he’s started this year.

This is exactly why I would never draft a run first QB again….JUST being a unicorn athlete isn’t enough to survive and thrive as a QB in today’s NFL…..IMO. Further highlights just how much of a freak Lamar Jackson is….

I doubt AR will be very good if they suddenly start scheming him to try and be more of a pocket passer….
 
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What could possibly go wrong?

Who here remembers that NE RB that dislocated his knee playing flag football in sand at the pro-bowl 15-20 years ago? I do, same vibes.

Wouldnt they need to cover the "insurance" .... which proved to be a big block for the NHL in olympics (as well as schedule)

flag football shouldnt be an olympic sport but that horse left the barn years ago
 
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What could possibly go wrong?

Who here remembers that NE RB that dislocated his knee playing flag football in sand at the pro-bowl 15-20 years ago? I do, same vibes.

I would expect, like... the caliber of players that the NHL sends to the World Championships. Anybody threatening to really make a lot of money, or who has made a lot in a way that could easily be restructured or just disappear in a non-guaranteed fashion if they start to suck is probably not taking outrageous risks (although these dudes do run every day and contact is way more dangerous than the cuts so maybe just don't play it on sand and you can get some names). I'd bet you get more interest from the bigger QBs than anything since they limit mobility in flag football anyway and you can't exactly take a big sack or blow your knee out when one of your linemen falls on you. They basically just do two-hand touch and yell "sack" whenever it seems fair in practice anyway, so your reps aren't that different.

But B-squad NFL guys who might not be Pro Bowl material suddenly getting an Olympic chance? That could draw some folks who know it's a limited time ride or are already on the way out. I'd watch them go against a bunch of Australians or whatever, would be fascinating to see what the skill gap truly is between even your average NFL DB and other countries' QBs and vice versa.
 
I would expect, like... the caliber of players that the NHL sends to the World Championships. Anybody threatening to really make a lot of money, or who has made a lot in a way that could easily be restructured or just disappear in a non-guaranteed fashion if they start to suck is probably not taking outrageous risks (although these dudes do run every day and contact is way more dangerous than the cuts so maybe just don't play it on sand and you can get some names). I'd bet you get more interest from the bigger QBs than anything since they limit mobility in flag football anyway and you can't exactly take a big sack or blow your knee out when one of your linemen falls on you. They basically just do two-hand touch and yell "sack" whenever it seems fair in practice anyway, so your reps aren't that different.

But B-squad NFL guys who might not be Pro Bowl material suddenly getting an Olympic chance? That could draw some folks who know it's a limited time ride or are already on the way out. I'd watch them go against a bunch of Australians or whatever, would be fascinating to see what the skill gap truly is between even your average NFL DB and other countries' QBs and vice versa.

I imagine the US will win each game 45-3 or something and the whole show will be silly. It strikes me as a pointless exercise.
 
I imagine the US will win each game 45-3 or something and the whole show will be silly. It strikes me as a pointless exercise.
There was a time basketball was like that too. The point of the exercise is to see excellence in sport, and get a bunch of kids in different countries to see something obscure and go "that was really cool, the hell was that?". Remember, Baseball was in for a while but it was a "joke" and removed and yet a bunch of countries started busting out baseball players and the WBC last year was competitive, cool, and won by Japan. Basketball was a joke until the US got their cheeks clapped by... was it Spain? Greece? (I had to look it up, it was basically a mixture of the two because it was Argentina) and then suddenly they were a Bronze medal team and the world was like "heyyy... we can do that?" and saw a direct influx of European talent (and play styles, like the Eurostep) in the decade+ that followed.

I took fencing once because of the Olympics and had a great time. I wasn't great at it and not willing to get better but people find weird shit sometimes and the NFL would be a more interesting place with more international players, it's already interesting when they do but it's kickers like half the time and Canadians the other half and I'm ready for the next wave.

There are probably a decent amount of traditional weight lifting countries that could crap out some linemen in a world with more exposure, and obviously a lot of countries with rugby history who might watch the game and go "shit, I can do that and make how much?"

Even just getting the sport to a point where countries don't have their own version of it would be a start, flag football probably helps them more than it hurts by a lot.
 
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There was a time basketball was like that too. The point of the exercise is to see excellence in sport, and get a bunch of kids in different countries to see something obscure and go "that was really cool, the hell was that?". Remember, Baseball was in for a while but it was a "joke" and removed and yet a bunch of countries started busting out baseball players and the WBC last year was competitive, cool, and won by Japan. Basketball was a joke until the US got their cheeks clapped by... was it Spain? Greece? (I had to look it up, it was basically a mixture of the two because it was Argentina) and then suddenly they were a Bronze medal team and the world was like "heyyy... we can do that?" and saw a direct influx of European talent (and play styles, like the Eurostep) in the decade+ that followed.

I took fencing once because of the Olympics and had a great time. I wasn't great at it and not willing to get better but people find weird shit sometimes and the NFL would be a more interesting place with more international players, it's already interesting when they do but it's kickers like half the time and Canadians the other half and I'm ready for the next wave.

There are probably a decent amount of traditional weight lifting countries that could crap out some linemen in a world with more exposure, and obviously a lot of countries with rugby history who might watch the game and go "shit, I can do that and make how much?"

Even just getting the sport to a point where countries don't have their own version of it would be a start, flag football probably helps them more than it hurts by a lot.

Probably all true, but I'm old and I don't think long term future stuff anymore, I just think in this moment, and this first year will be silliness :D

Fact is people all around the globe are largely the same in terms of natural born ability, so once they start focusing on a sport from a young age, they can compete with anyone. We have a head start, but there's nothing exceptional about our natural abilities.

The son of one of my former neighbors was a world class archer at age 17, and was likely to end up in the Olympics some day. Something got him interested in that.
 
There was a time basketball was like that too. The point of the exercise is to see excellence in sport, and get a bunch of kids in different countries to see something obscure and go "that was really cool, the hell was that?". Remember, Baseball was in for a while but it was a "joke" and removed and yet a bunch of countries started busting out baseball players and the WBC last year was competitive, cool, and won by Japan. Basketball was a joke until the US got their cheeks clapped by... was it Spain? Greece? (I had to look it up, it was basically a mixture of the two because it was Argentina) and then suddenly they were a Bronze medal team and the world was like "heyyy... we can do that?" and saw a direct influx of European talent (and play styles, like the Eurostep) in the decade+ that followed.

I took fencing once because of the Olympics and had a great time. I wasn't great at it and not willing to get better but people find weird shit sometimes and the NFL would be a more interesting place with more international players, it's already interesting when they do but it's kickers like half the time and Canadians the other half and I'm ready for the next wave.

There are probably a decent amount of traditional weight lifting countries that could crap out some linemen in a world with more exposure, and obviously a lot of countries with rugby history who might watch the game and go "shit, I can do that and make how much?"

Even just getting the sport to a point where countries don't have their own version of it would be a start, flag football probably helps them more than it hurts by a lot.

Exactly. The NFL has been dying to expand overseas, and get into other big markets across the world like the NBA has successfully done since the OG Dream Team. That’s why they keep doing these stupid games in the UK every year.

If the price is the bodies of some marginal, or even good NFL players - they’ll gladly pay it. Seeing as the ‘28 games are in LA, it makes perfect sense to just go all in on promoting the game.

Unlike say hockey or baseball, there are always capable college players ready to come into the league and quickly replace a large portion of the rank and file. The only position to be precious about is QB.
 
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Probably all true, but I'm old and I don't think long term future stuff anymore, I just think in this moment, and this first year will be silliness :D

Fact is people all around the globe are largely the same in terms of natural born ability, so once they start focusing on a sport from a young age, they can compete with anyone. We have a head start, but there's nothing exceptional about our natural abilities.
Sure, but learned ability also matters, and conventional football wisdom does a lot to pigeonhole young American football players.

Imagine a world where your All-Pro caliber TE also played rugby as a native Australian for a good amount of their young life, and is so good at backwards passing that you have a legitimate hook and ladder threat regularly based on if the pass is there in a split read, and he'll either dive for yards or hit a streaking low man for an extra who knows how many yards... I mean, that's the speed they play that game at anyway, just a weapon and play style the NFL has rules for that nobody is utilizing.

As for the second point, yes, but also no. Now, don't get me wrong, football is such a dynamic and varied athletic approach that there are in fact positions for everybody but I wouldn't say it's always a 1:1. It's not like we're different species or anything, all homo sapiens, but it's right in line with how the Dutch are statistically the tallest people in the world, or how various countries have had eras of dominance in the 100m but it took until 2018 for a Chinese man to hit world class status. An outrageously talented outlier can make a difference but when we consider national infrastructure in sports it doesn't often go towards ones the country isn't statistically likely to win. Be it infrastructure, climate, or a slight predisposition to certain genetic stuff Olympic sports tend to show some bias in certain directions.

It's nature and nurture, but sometimes the nurture comes easily because of nature. For football it kind of doesn't matter because football is really weird and compartmentalized and the problem is exposure. That said, there's also a reason there's basically only been one Yao Ming, the stars don't align for the same group of people when there aren't the same number of opportunities, so making the opportunities matters a lot.

EDIT: that got kind of inadvertently racial for somebody who agrees 100% with the premise that anybody could become anything and we're all human, all I really meant is that we see a lot of players of "different origins" as far as listed birth who also moved here very early and began playing football with all the other kids at the entry level. I just want an NFL where "moved here early" didn't have to be part of the conversation, I'd love to see a little nationally Japanese RB just out there tearing it up like Barry Sanders until he's chased down and trucked by the Irish John Lynch.
 
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The NFL is thinking of playing the Super Bowl in London, they are very intent on growing the game internationally and nationally. They would LOVE to have their players play.

"What about caring for their health"

The NFL approved weekly Thursday Night games on 4 days of rest, and an expanded season in lieu of player safety concerns. They don't care about health.
 
Is anyone really worried about NFL players, who are professional tackle football players, getting hurt playing flag football? Because of some dude a few decades ago at the pro bowl? Or some guy getting hurt during a pickup basketball game, or whatever?

Really?

Who cares about the insurance or owners' salary protection. They can afford it.

Of course injuries happen but god damn, it's a HUGE step down from what they do for a living.

If the players want to play, let them. They're over 18, right? No note from mom needed.
 
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I cant believe Flag Football is an Olympic sport.

I’m sure the NFL supports this as it’s a safer feeder sport for youth coming up to play their game.
 


What the Snyder era did to this fanbase is remarkable. Safe to say 23% of the fanbase actually knows football.

lol hilarious recency bias right?

…..the flip side, Bill has sucked as a GM, so would we be forced to let him do that here?

Assuming so (as these voters probably did), I MIGHT choose EB also (it’s really too soon to make a sound decision on EB the HC, ((for us next)). So maybe they’re not all idiots?

I would NOT entertain Bill’s boorish personality and behavior AND give him the keys to the castle without a top Executive/GM running personnel decisions.
 
Whoa……they just broke something interesting on ESPN…..due to how the contract is structured….suggesting Russell Wilson may get shelved after the trade deadline….eventually cutting him within the first 5 days of next year……eventually eating $85 million in dead cap. If he’s hurt, he’s guaranteed an additional $37 mil for 2025 (on top of the $39 mil already guaranteed for ‘24 season).
 
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lol hilarious recency bias right?

…..the flip side, Bill has sucked as a GM, so would we be forced to let him do that here?

Assuming so (as these voters probably did), I MIGHT choose EB also (it’s really too soon to make a sound decision on EB the HC, ((for us next)). So maybe they’re not all idiots?

I would NOT entertain Bill’s boorish personality and behavior AND give him the keys to the castle without a top Executive/GM running personnel decisions.
BB in DC would most likely fail but it shouldn’t even be a debate. You choose BB.
 
Whoa……they just broke something interesting on ESPN…..due to how the contract is structured….suggesting Russell Wilson may get shelved after the trade deadline….eventually cutting him within the first 5 days of next year……eventually eating $85 million in dead cap. If he’s hurt, he’s guaranteed an additional $37 mil for 2025 (on top of the $37 mil already guaranteed for ‘24 season).
What a mess they have. Geeez. That’s so Redskinny.
 
BB in DC would most likely fail but it shouldn’t even be a debate. You choose BB.
Of course you have to debate it. He may not be a fit in every city/with every ownership group. Sure he’s a great football mind, but there are limits.

If he wants carte blanche, I pass after trying to convince him he needs a great personnel person/GM, and quickly tiring of his constant mumbled and gruff responses…
 
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