GDT: New Jersey Devils vs. Washington Capitals - 7:30pm

[NJDevs26]

LOL at still pining for a guy who has played exactly one NHL game to date while two of the only three actual elite goalies in hockey were selected in the third and fourth rounds.

And Saros was also fourth round if you still count him as elite

 

[Hisch13r]

It's more concerning to me that Marino seems to have forgotten how to hockey....

Yeah the issue with the D is that when people were claiming there’d be a step back it was always mainly because of Bahl and Luke having to replace Graves and Sevo. Those guys haven’t been the problem. Obviously there’s Smith but he wouldn’t be playing if Miller was healthy (he might be a disaster too) and as bad as he’s been the 6D isn’t making or breaking us. The issue is Siegs and Marino. They haven’t been all that bad at 5v5 but they don’t look like they’ve played the PK a day in their lives

 

[guitarguyvic]

People need to stop with this goaltending shit. It’s so f***ing tiresome. There’s like three goalies in the league who are great enough to bail out shitty defense, and none of them are or will be available.

We have average goalies who will likely only turn in what appear to be good performances if the defense in front of them is solid, just like 90% of other playoff caliber teams. The last two cup champs won it all with a goalie that no one has ever even heard of until the playoffs and a guy that is the epitome of “meh, whatever”.

When one of the slowest teams in the league is splitting your D like prime Mario Lemieux, harping on your league typical level goalie is f***ing stupid.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Lindy seemed to be pretty on point with his postgame comments. I imagine the defensive pairings will look different to start next game. He's flipped them mid-game a couple of times already, but they've started each game the same if I'm not mistaken.

I'll be interested to see what they do for tomorrow's game.

 

[Satans Hockey]

Well at least the Red Bulls played amazing, won 5-2, most ever goals in a playoff game and first time we've ever had a guy score a hat trick in the playoffs.

Don't know why this team keeps shitting the bed in the 1st period. You can't keep spotting teams that many goals no matter how good you are.

Side note, Washington has so many goofy looking players.

 

[Triumph]

People need to stop with this goaltending shit. It’s so f***ing tiresome. There’s like three goalies in the league who are great enough to bail out shitty defense, and none of them are or will be available.

We have average goalies who will likely only turn in what appear to be good performances if the defense in front of them is solid, just like 90% of other playoff caliber teams. The last two cup champs won it all with a goalie that no one has ever even heard of until the playoffs and a guy that is the epitome of “meh, whatever”.

When one of the slowest teams in the league is splitting your D like prime Mario Lemieux, harping on your league typical level goalie is f***ing stupid.

Again with this - didn't we learn from 2023? Yeah, you need defense, and you also need goaltending. The Devils got neither last night. The thing is that a team gets maybe one rocking chair shutout a year, and your team is always going to give up scoring chances, and the goalie has to get their share of those chances - they did not do that last night.

 

[TBF1972]

We’ve never drafted a Russian goalie, if I’m not mistaken. Or at least they’ve never suited up at the NHL level. Let’s correct that.

brodeur?

or is this french that he is speaking?

 

[JrFischer54]

people gotta stop saying we are a soft team against "bigger" teams. this game would've been a blow out if we got decent goaltending so i'm not worried about the size of the team against other teams. the real and only worry should be about the goaltending. i hope it gets better

 

[guitarguyvic]

Again with this - didn't we learn from 2023? Yeah, you need defense, and you also need goaltending. The Devils got neither last night. The thing is that a team gets maybe one rocking chair shutout a year, and your team is always going to give up scoring chances, and the goalie has to get their share of those chances - they did not do that last night.

The devils have used what like 8 or 9 different goalies going back two years now. The same complaints to some degree have been lodged about every single one. Every one of them.

At what point do you stop to recognize that it’s not the devils just having the worst goaltending luck in the league. 10? 15?

Shmid is still TBD, but Vanacek is pretty much the ubiquitous average goalie in this league. If he’s shitting the bed frequently, there’s a damn good chance it’s because the team in front of him is playing like ass.

 

[JrFischer54]

People need to stop with this goaltending shit. It’s so f***ing tiresome. There’s like three goalies in the league who are great enough to bail out shitty defense, and none of them are or will be available.

We have average goalies who will likely only turn in what appear to be good performances if the defense in front of them is solid, just like 90% of other playoff caliber teams. The last two cup champs won it all with a goalie that no one has ever even heard of until the playoffs and a guy that is the epitome of “meh, whatever”.

When one of the slowest teams in the league is splitting your D like prime Mario Lemieux, harping on your league typical level goalie is f***ing stupid.

i love the argument "no name" goalie won this cup that cup. fail to mention the other 10 that got knocked out in the playoffs (in general) partly because they were "no name" goalies themselves. so sure there have been a couple of no name goalies to win the cup but a lot more dont most of the time because of their play.

i get that there aren't a lot of difference makers out there in net and even less that are available. that still shouldn't stop fitz from looking and asking and trying to make one available. i know a lot of people on here are anti big salary to o30 goalies i dont care. if one can be had who is a true difference maker get him pay the price and worry about the cap year 5 and on.

 

[Triumph]

The devils have used what like 8 or 9 different goalies going back two years now. The same complaints to some degree have been lodged about every single one. Every one of them.

You cannot possibly be this dense. A team using 9 goaltenders in the space of 2+ years does not have good goaltending, almost by definition. Where are most of those goalies now?

At what point do you stop to recognize that it’s not the devils just having the worst goaltending luck in the league. 10? 15?

lol, come on, you cannot possibly believe yourself making the worst possible argument. Why are you taking this tack? What if the Devils used 30 goalies? Surely it would be the defense's fault at that point.

Shmid is still TBD, but Vanacek is pretty much the ubiquitous average goalie in this league. If he’s shitting the bed frequently, there’s a damn good chance it’s because the team in front of him is playing like ass.

Average goalies have up and down streaks like anyone else. The McMichael goal is an example of a bad goal, even if McMichael shouldn't've been that open to begin with. It's a shot that Vanecek should stop 95+% of the time. Vanecek has been okay to start the year, he had a really good game against Detroit where he got some tough luck. He's got another level.

 

[Hisch13r]

i love the argument "no name" goalie won this cup that cup. fail to mention the other 10 that got knocked out in the playoffs (in general) partly because they were "no name" goalies themselves. so sure there have been a couple of no name goalies to win the cup but a lot more dont most of the time because of their play.

i get that there aren't a lot of difference makers out there in net and even less that are available. that still shouldn't stop fitz from looking and asking and trying to make one available. i know a lot of people on here are anti big salary to o30 goalies i dont care. if one can be had who is a true difference maker get him pay the price and worry about the cap year 5 and on.

Thing is there’s barely more than a handful of goalies who can be trusted. You’re saying you’d be ok to spend big on a great older goalie. Who? The only guy who would’ve fit that bill was Hellebuyck who Winnipeg very clearly had no interest in moving and re-signed him. There’s Saros who is 28 and great and Trotz said he isn’t moving him. The guy doesn’t exist out there. Unless we magically pull a goalie out of nowhere we’re going to be forced to be a 2016 Pens, or Blues, or Knights, or Avs (Kuemper’s a good goalie but had one eye that run and wasn’t good) and need a goalie to get hot at the right time. As skeptical I was about Schmid coming into this year I also think we were better off rolling the dice on him because maybe he is something over grabbing some run of the mill goalie where you know what you’re going to get and what you’re going to get isn’t going to be good enough

 

[MartyOwns]

How many of those first round goalies really pan out? Jake Oettinger 6 years ago and Vasilevskiy 11 years ago?

i was referring to askarov

 

[guitarguyvic]

i love the argument "no name" goalie won this cup that cup. fail to mention the other 10 that got knocked out in the playoffs (in general) partly because they were "no name" goalies themselves. so sure there have been a couple of no name goalies to win the cup but a lot more dont most of the time because of their play.

i get that there aren't a lot of difference makers out there in net and even less that are available. that still shouldn't stop fitz from looking and asking and trying to make one available. i know a lot of people on here are anti big salary to o30 goalies i dont care. if one can be had who is a true difference maker get him pay the price and worry about the cap year 5 and on.

LOL what the heck kind of galaxy brain circular logic is this? Yes a no name goalie won the cup, because the other teams that got knocked out also had similar goalies...that's the entire point my guy. There aren't difference maker goalies out there. They don't exist. There are three in the whole league, they are locked up with their respective teams and aren't available. That's it. The end.

Any and every other goalie that Fitz might be able to land would require the team in front of them to play solid defense and not be complete f***ing morons with the puck in their own zone. If that's not happening, they will look like shit. We have seen countless examples of this throughout the league - and with our own team - for like five years now.

 

[Better Call Sal]

i love the argument "no name" goalie won this cup that cup. fail to mention the other 10 that got knocked out in the playoffs (in general) partly because they were "no name" goalies themselves. so sure there have been a couple of no name goalies to win the cup but a lot more dont most of the time because of their play.

i get that there aren't a lot of difference makers out there in net and even less that are available. that still shouldn't stop fitz from looking and asking and trying to make one available. i know a lot of people on here are anti big salary to o30 goalies i dont care. if one can be had who is a true difference maker get him pay the price and worry about the cap year 5 and on.

Because it's very easy to say, "Get a goalie and pay him whatever it takes" when there isn't one out there worth paying. Or saying there is a difference maker out there when no one can name one.

No one is opposed to Fitz looking for a goalie. People are against the fact that they think that is the solution to what has happened so far six games in. If we're letting teams waltz into the zone regularly later in the year, it doesn't really matter who is back there because the odds are that they'll give up more than their fair share. I'd like to see the team clean its own mess up before we analyze the goaltending situation again. I'd also like Vanecek to get a string of games as the starter going forward. Let Schmid sit until a back-to-back, which is just a week from now anyway.

 

[JrFischer54]

Thing is there’s barely more than a handful of goalies who can be trusted. You’re saying you’d be ok to spend big on a great older goalie. Who? The only guy who would’ve fit that bill was Hellebuyck who Winnipeg very clearly had no interest in moving and re-signed him. There’s Saros who is 28 and great and Trotz said he isn’t moving him. The guy doesn’t exist out there. Unless we magically pull a goalie out of nowhere we’re going to be forced to be a 2016 Pens, or Blues, or Knights, or Avs (Kuemper’s a good goalie but had one eye that run and wasn’t good) and need a goalie to get hot at the right time.

yes i am fine trading and signing one if need be if they are a true difference maker. i agree i dont know whos available or not thats fitz job to figure out. i'm just saying they should be out there trying to improve this position. zero concern about the price or the drop in play at age whatever.

 

[Hisch13r]

Because it's very easy to say, "Get a goalie and pay him whatever it takes" when there isn't one out there worth paying. Or saying there is a difference maker out there when no one can name one.

No one is opposed to Fitz looking for a goalie. People are against the fact that they think that is the solution to what has happened so far six games in. If we're letting teams waltz into the zone regularly later in the year, it doesn't really matter who is back there because the odds are that they'll give up more than their fair share. I'd like to see the team clean its own mess up before we analyze the goaltending situation again.

Defense hasn’t been great but come on this is definitely a goalie issue. Schmid can’t stop a beachball last 2 games. You’re going to give up chances every game. Some of those need to be stopped. He’s stopping almost none of them. If we got Schmid level goaltending in the Habs game we might lose that game or go to OT despite dominating it. We didn’t though and Vitek made the saves on the few chances we gave up. Tonight wasn’t as dominant but they also weren’t that dreadful defensively at the points they were bad. Schmid just couldn’t stop anything.

 

[JrFischer54]

Because it's very easy to say, "Get a goalie and pay him whatever it takes" when there isn't one out there worth paying. Or saying there is a difference maker out there when no one can name one.

No one is opposed to Fitz looking for a goalie. People are against the fact that they think that is the solution to what has happened so far six games in. If we're letting teams waltz into the zone regularly later in the year, it doesn't really matter who is back there because the odds are that they'll give up more than their fair share. I'd like to see the team clean its own mess up before we analyze the goaltending situation again. I'd also like Vanecek to get a string of games as the starter going forward. Let Schmid sit until a back-to-back, which is just a week from now anyway.

there were plenty of people over the summer against bringing in a big name big price goalie so that is definitely a wrong statement there.


it is easy to say get a goalie and pay him whatever its a msg board i dont work for the devils none of us do. i even said i know they are hard to find but that shouldn't stop fitz from trying to make one available (my exact words).


again i'm fine letting the season play out but if this is going to be the regular type of goaltending the team gets all year and playoffs then they definitely gotta do something in the summer.

 

[guitarguyvic]

You cannot possibly be this dense. A team using 9 goaltenders in the space of 2+ years does not have good goaltending, almost by definition. Where are most of those goalies now?

lol, come on, you cannot possibly believe yourself making the worst possible argument. Why are you taking this tack? What if the Devils used 30 goalies? Surely it would be the defense's fault at that point.

Average goalies have up and down streaks like anyone else. The McMichael goal is an example of a bad goal, even if McMichael shouldn't've been that open to begin with. It's a shot that Vanecek should stop 95+% of the time. Vanecek has been okay to start the year, he had a really good game against Detroit where he got some tough luck. He's got another level.

Yes if the Devils used 30 goalies and they all looked like shit, I'm going to say that the skaters are probably the problem...because at a certain point it becomes unreasonable to believe that the team can't land a decent goalie out of a pool of that many, even if by accident. Unless you think our GM is a complete moron with no ability to pick out an even average goaltender.

Yes average goalies will have ups and downs like everyone else. Thank you. That's what's expected. What's not (or shouldn't be) expected is for top tier skaters to be letting mediocre opponents split them like they are pee wee defenders, or blindly chipping pucks right back into opponent's feed in the defensive zone, or being unable to clear the zone because they are over-skating simple f***ing passes. Or leaving guys wide f***ing open in the most dangerous areas of the ice. I could go on with the examples of shit play we've seen from our top guys so far this season.

So yeah...when those top skaters are playing like that in front of that streaky average goalie...I'm not going to exactly be inclined to point my finger at the average guy in net first...especially when 90% of other teams also have the same type of average guy in that same spot. The point of having top tier talent in front of the average goalie is to mitigate the average goalie when he's on one of those down streaks. These goalies can't be relied on to bail out the skaters on a regular basis. That's the reality of a league where there are almost no elite goalies available.

 

[Triumph]

Yes if the Devils used 30 goalies and they all looked like shit, I'm going to say that the skaters are probably the problem...because at a certain point it becomes unreasonable to believe that the team can't land a decent goalie out of a pool of that many, even if by accident. Unless you think our GM is a complete moron with no ability to pick out an even average goaltender.

The problem is that if a team uses 7 in the space of one year and they all look bad, they probably are all bad. You were making this same argument in 2022, voila the Devils get average goaltending, shore up their defense a bit, and they're cruising to the playoffs.

Yes average goalies will have ups and downs like everyone else. Thank you. That's what's expected. What's not (or shouldn't be) expected is for top tier skaters to be letting mediocre opponents split them like they are pee wee defenders, or blindly chipping pucks right back into opponent's feed in the defensive zone, or being unable to clear the zone because they are over-skating simple f***ing passes. Or leaving guys wide f***ing open in the most dangerous areas of the ice. I could go on with the examples of shit play we've seen from our top guys so far this season.

So yeah...when those top skaters are playing like that in front of that streaky average goalie...I'm not going to exactly be inclined to point my finger at the average guy in net first...especially when 90% of other teams also have the same type of average guy in that same spot.

I'm going to point my finger at the average guy in net when he's not making the saves. Teams give up scoring chances. Sometimes they give up ugly ones. You have to be able to make a save sometimes. The defense has to get better and give up fewer chances and chances of less quality, but a stop is called for sometimes too.

 

[Hisch13r]

yes i am fine trading and signing one if need be if they are a true difference maker. i agree i dont know whos available or not thats fitz job to figure out. i'm just saying they should be out there trying to improve this position. zero concern about the price or the drop in play at age whatever.

But you’re pushing to acquire a guy who literally doesn’t exist.

 

[JrFischer54]

Defense hasn’t been great but come on this is definitely a goalie issue. Schmid can’t stop a beachball last 2 games. You’re going to give up chances every game. Some of those need to be stopped. He’s stopping almost none of them. If we got Schmid level goaltending in the Habs game we might lose that game or go to OT despite dominating it. We didn’t though and Vitek made the saves on the few chances we gave up. Tonight wasn’t as dominant but they also weren’t that dreadful defensively at the points they were bad. Schmid just couldn’t stop anything.

i agree we aren't asking these guys to be broduer out there. just make a timely save after your team comes back from the hole the goalies dug the team. completely deflating just like in the playoffs last year.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Schmid has been bad. The defense has also been f***ing bad. This isn't rocket science, both can be true.

Ruff is gonna try and sort out the defense and Fitz has already been trying to sort out the goaltending. Beyond specific fixes, though, at some point Schmid will play better than this, because it's hard to be worse, and at some point Marino will get it together, and at some point Nemec will be healthy and on the team.

 

[JrFischer54]

But you’re pushing to acquire a guy who literally doesn’t exist.

lol i'm not pushing anything lol people its a msg board all i did was say they should go out and get one and if one isn't available try and make one available. lol pushing makes it imply that i have the ability to make it happen which unless someone on here is fitz in secret i dont think me "pushing" is going to help.

 

[Hisch13r]

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