Post-Game Talk: Jets 6 - CBJ 2

[Mortimer Snerd]

I didn't watch this game, so I can't comment on it, but in terms of what is different it starts with Scott Arniel. Just in his interviews you have a good sense of how he thinks the game, and I wonder if all those coaching clinics he talked about didn't pay dividends. Working with Bowness he got to lay down the ground work for a defensive structure that you now see from the team. And a 4 line mentality. But now it's his style of play, which is more direct and defense oriented.

I think you have to give credit to the assistants too.

Davis Payne has changed the structure of the PP. And Arniel has used both units.

Dean Chynoweth has changed the style of the defense. Better skating out of them.

PK is still in the middle of the pack. Keeping penalties down always helps in efficiency.

Wade Flaherty has been a constant. Whatever he is doing, keep doing it.

Older fans might remember him stealing a game 7 against the Flames.

Quite a few years ago now I was pretty fed up with Jets goaltending. Can't just replace all of the goalies in the system so ...... get rid of Flaherty. I think it must have been in 17, Helle's 2nd season, first as the starter. His numbers dropped off quite a bit and I thought, 's**t! He's ruined another good goalie.'

Now, he is some kind of genius coach. Not only has his starter won 2 Vezinas and a Jennings, but every backup he gets performs above expectations too.

Obviously a big part of it is on Helle. Maybe even the backups that he mentors. But Flaherty can't be doing too much wrong for all the success his goalies have had.

 

[LowLefty]

ppl are going to be so annoyed when Stan keeps that spot over Fleury and Heinola because he has read the most knock knock joke books.

Exactly

 

[Gil Fisher]

Absolutely love the new avatar, awesome.

Can't figure out who/where I stole it from.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Fleury is used to being in and out of the line up at this point in his career. I think that guys at the NHL level have a good grasp on why they are or are not in the line up

People who haven't spent any time in hockey locker rooms will complain about it, but i think part of it comes down to Stanley (amd comrie as well) being really good teammates and good to have in the room. The org is trying to create the best possible environment for their players and that makes a difference

Can't complain about it too much after 2 dominant wins, but based on what we saw in the first 4 games I still think that Fleury is a clear upgrade on Stan. Especially in the 2 games where Stanley stunk. That was his first game back (OK, cut him some slack there. And the Leafs game. No slack there.)

It appears, again, that the org is committed to Stanley, for whatever reason. I'll just have to hold my nose and swallow it.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Can't complain about it too much after 2 dominant wins, but based on what we saw in the first 4 games I still think that Fleury is a clear upgrade on Stan. Especially in the 2 games where Stanley stunk. That was his first game back (OK, cut him some slack there. And the Leafs game. No slack there.)

It appears, again, that the org is committed to Stanley, for whatever reason. I'll just have to hold my nose and swallow it.

They need to give you something to complain about to get your money's worth.

 

[Inanna]

Nashville is a top tier city and Tennessee is gorgeous

Unless you're a woman.

 

[WolfgangPuck]

If After losing Monohan and Tofolli and replacing them with Perfetti and Nanes and you told me the new Jets lineup were scoring 5-6 goals a goals a game and was #1 PP I would have bet against that and ask you what you were smoking.
I am sure the rest of the league will catch up by season end But enjoying the ride for now.

 

[JetsFan815]

ppl are going to be so annoyed when Stan keeps that spot over Fleury and Heinola because he has read the most knock knock joke books.

Yeah I mean I don't think there are many, if any fans out there that don't recognize that Fluery is an upgrade on Stanley (and possibly Heinola as well although that remains to be seen). If the team is leaving something on the table that is as obvious to most fans then they better continue winning or as soon as the losses start stuff like that is the first thing that will draw ire just because how obvious is it.

We saw it during the 17-18 and 18-19 runs. The fanbase was much more willing to overlook playing Hendricks in the lineup when wins were flowing in 17-18, whereas in 18-19 eventhough he didn't play that much, even just the idea of him coming back was ridiculed, the same held true for Ben Chiarot as well. Even last season during the win streak at the end and the subsequent collapse in the playoffs the same happened with Stan himself. So if the Jets brass are taking playing him in the starting lineup as a given they gotta hope they keep winning.

 

[Jet]

Unless you're a woman.

Sorry, not following.

 

[Jet]

Having been in and around the sport of hockey for 44 years as a player (decently high level), coach, parent and fan, I'll share one personal observation with you

The team that is most talented on the ice doesn't always win. In fact, they usually don't

I've seen teams that should have won championships not win, and teams that had no business winning anything win it all

The one constant with teams that have played above their collective talent level is that they all got along and pulled in the same direction. No factions in the room, every guy (or girl) playing for the person beside them

A great example is the Blues when they won the cup

I know it's hard for people to understand that because there's no stat for team chemistry or locker room vibe - which is probably why you're mocking the idea like you are

This is so true.

I've been on so many teams of varied skill and it was only one component of success. I've been on cliquey teams with high skill and guys really didn't fight for one another. I've been on lower skilled teams where the vibe was great and we won it all.

At this level practically every player is elite, and a significant determinant of success, both individually and for the team is psychological.

Coaching and skill are important, but the psychological element should not be underestimated. It is however by fans because it's not well understood and difficult to quantify.

Quite a few years ago now I was pretty fed up with Jets goaltending. Can't just replace all of the goalies in the system so ...... get rid of Flaherty. I think it must have been in 17, Helle's 2nd season, first as the starter. His numbers dropped off quite a bit and I thought, 's**t! He's ruined another good goalie.'

Now, he is some kind of genius coach. Not only has his starter won 2 Vezinas and a Jennings, but every backup he gets performs above expectations too.

Obviously a big part of it is on Helle. Maybe even the backups that he mentors. But Flaherty can't be doing too much wrong for all the success his goalies have had.

He might be one of the most important hires by this organization, and the fact that he's outlasted a couple of cycles of his peers is proof of that

 

[GNP]

Unless you're a woman.

I wonder why Innana would say that Nashville isn't a top tier city. It's not too big, house prices etc, are affordable, and it's absolutely gorgeous from the pictures I've seen, with very decent climate. It's one of the "few" cities in the US that I'd move too. It also has the very picturesque Appalachian mountain range there. ( also called the Smokey Mountains, I believe ??)

If you dislike big cities, and living in a traffic jam, and paying double for your rent or house payment, these medium size cities are ideal. There is a big exodus right now out of cities like LA, and New York, as they are unaffordable. Lot of people moving to Texas and Idaho.

Maybe I'm missing something here Inanna ??

 

[jungles]

I wonder why Innana would say that Nashville isn't a top tier city. It's not too big, house prices etc, are affordable, and it's absolutely gorgeous from the pictures I've seen, with very decent climate. It's one of the "few" cities in the US that I'd move too. It also has the very picturesque Appalachian mountain range there.

If you dislike big cities, and loving in a traffic jam, and paying double for your rent or house payment, these medium size cities are ideal.

Maybe I'm missing something here Inanna ??

My guess it is had to do with Tennessee's laws when it comes to women's health. Which, point taken.

 

[BarnabyJones PI]

Nashville doesn't have the greatest reputation for a certain gender in the looks department (Googled). Like Atlanta, Utah, and our very own Winnipeg has another type of reputation...

 

[WolfHouse]

This place is dead after a win

 

[SimpleSimon]

.

 

[SimpleSimon]

I see the train a comin, it’s rollin ‘round the bend, and I ain’t seen this team suck since, I don’t know when…

They shot the pick past Elvis, just to watch him cry…

 

[SimpleSimon]

Highlight of the night for me was when gabe scored from the insane pass by kfc and you can just see gabe shaking his head in disbelief as he takes his mouthguard out

That’s the kind of play top tier NHL stars make.

 

[Inanna]

Sorry, not following.

Google “Tennessee reproductive rights”.

 

[Buffdog]

Google “Tennessee reproductive rights”.

Seems like 3.5M women living there might not see to mind it?

This is just me stirring the pot to see if we can get this bad boy up to 188 posts to match the PGT after the Leafs loss lol

 

[Snot Rocket]

I just watched the replay of that goal again - like a dozen times. That has to be an early candidate for goal of the year.

Connor gets the puck in heavy traffic with no time and he does that drag through his feet, and then has the incredible patience to outwait the defender AND THEN delivers a pinpoint pass on his backhand.

Any one of those in isolation would be impressive but all three in like 4 seconds.

That's just nonsense and filthy beyond measure.

It was one of those moment's where a player does something that you are thinking they might try and pull off at that moment and they do but somehow better than you imagined.

 

[PhilJets]

Things i did not expect

Back up goalie with 3 games already in 11 games!!!
The scoring is amazing!!!

Go JETS GO

 

[Jet]

Google “Tennessee reproductive rights”.

Ohhhhhh ok. Well that's a really shitty situation in many states that goes against the the will of the majority of the population.

I'm hoping that that will all start to change on January 6th.

 

[Jet]

Things i did not expect

Back up goalie with 3 games already in 11 games!!!
The scoring is amazing!!!

Go JETS GO

Unfortunately that's still only 22 games for Comrie over a season.

Id like to see him play a minimum of 27 especially with Helle playing in the 4 nations face off.

Maybe if we're in a great spot Comrie with get more starts in the back 3rd of the season, but there's already several baked in excuses for that not happening:

Challenging for division title or president's trophy, fighting for home ice or god forbid fighting for a playoff spot.

Keeping Hellebuyck in a groove.

Hellebuyck wants to play more.

I guess we will see how it shakes out.

 

[KingBogo]

Unfortunately that's still only 22 games for Comrie over a season.

Id like to see him play a minimum of 27 especially with Helle playing in the 4 nations face off.

Maybe if we're in a great spot Comrie with get more starts in the back 3rd of the season, but there's already several baked in excuses for that not happening:

Challenging for division title or president's trophy, fighting for home ice or god forbid fighting for a playoff spot.

Keeping Hellebuyck in a groove.

Hellebuyck wants to play more.

I guess we will see how it shakes out.

That’s why you want to get Comrie in an early rhythm of starts. IMO the team needs to keep Helly to 55 starts this season.

 

[Hobble]

Quite a few years ago now I was pretty fed up with Jets goaltending. Can't just replace all of the goalies in the system so ...... get rid of Flaherty. I think it must have been in 17, Helle's 2nd season, first as the starter. His numbers dropped off quite a bit and I thought, 's**t! He's ruined another good goalie.'

Now, he is some kind of genius coach. Not only has his starter won 2 Vezinas and a Jennings, but every backup he gets performs above expectations too.

Obviously a big part of it is on Helle. Maybe even the backups that he mentors. But Flaherty can't be doing too much wrong for all the success his goalies have had.

Agreed, Flaherty has been working some insane magic.

Also, the way you referred to “his starter winning 2 Vezinas”, it makes me imagine a goalie coach being like the owner of a race horse. Hopefully this year Helle can help him get the Triple Crown!!!