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Prospect Info: New Jersey Devils Draft Simon Nemec, 2nd Overall

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My3Sons said:
It can work. But you have to devote the necessary resources to scouting and your drafting plan has to be sound and you need a little luck as well.
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It usually works out in the end, sports are too cyclic for rebuilds not to work. I do agree that you need to be good at drafting but at the same time the argument for tanking is that you increase your odds for said franchise players. As a NY Jets fan, 2021 is a prime example of where tanking works.....
 
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With a little less luck at the lottery we could now have Nolan Patrick and Kaapo Kakko instead of Hischier and Hughes. We'd still be a 70 point team probably, have no Meier either, probably no Hamilton. Maybe we'd have Lafreniere or Byfield though :D And we'd be in the Bedard sweepstakes of course. Tanking does work and is mostly the only choice anyway, but the dice have to fall the right way as well and it can take a really long time.
 
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Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
I believe Nemec is at a point per game over his last ~15 games, and thats with minimal PP scoring
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15 in the last 16. Hard to determine if 16 games would be close to a new norm for him. If it is then he’s likely hit the exception to my “I don’t want him in the NHL next year without a jump and being a standout AHLer first”
 
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My3Sons said:
It can work. But you have to devote the necessary resources to scouting and your drafting plan has to be sound and you need a little luck as well. And you need deep pocketed owners that can handle the lean years which as we have seen can really pile up.
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Luck and scouting.

We have example of Detroit. They had bad scouting with Holland. And now they have good with Yzerman, who made very good picks with Seider, Edvinsson and Raymond. And I think Kasper is a good one too. But even than it`s not enough. 7 years without play off with 3\4 good-to-great picks, but they are far away from building contender. I believe they will build strong defense, but they don`t have top offensive talent still. They were not lucky with having Holland, they were not lucky with lottery. And even with 3-4 good picks out from 6 drafts they are not so close to being build. For example our retool started in 2015, we drafted Zacha, Mcleod, Hischier, Smith, Hughes and Holtz by our first first picks in the first(a lot of first word) 6 years. Only two really good picks(at least for now). But Fitz made right pick after Holtz and we were lucky to draft Bratt in later round. And he made another good pick little bit later to trade the prospect with picks and another lower potential prospects for Meier.
And Detroit`s scouts made some another good picks - Berggren, Soderblom, Mazur could be something.
Draft is an important part but even with good scouts it`s not enough. Team needs luck on the draft to find top nhl talents.
 
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My3Sons said:
It can work. But you have to devote the necessary resources to scouting and your drafting plan has to be sound and you need a little luck as well. And you need deep pocketed owners that can handle the lean years which as we have seen can really pile up.
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Yeah, drafting and development is key. Not just for rebuilding, but for staying competitive in a hard cap league. Pittsburgh’s gotten almost 20 years of productivity out of their best players, but they have to keep overpaying and trading for depth pieces because they have no drafted players who can fill those roles.

The Devils’ turnaround is as much a result of the Nemec’s of the world as it is players like… Studenic? Maltsev? And in the Lou years, they would’ve been our top prospects and expected to be key top-6 contributors. Pittsburgh would absolutely kill for some guys like that right now, or especially some late round hits like Gritsyuk or Filmon. I don’t like to count players like Bratt in these thought exercises because those sorts of hits are more luck than scouting talent IMO.

Anyways, i honestly hated the Nemec pick at the time, more than happy to be wrong about it now. If he legitimately hits as a play-driving two-way top-pairing defenseman, the Devils are gonna be a wagon and a half for a LONG time.
 
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TheUnseenHand said:
It's absolutely incredible how far this team has come. We have a top team in the NHL and two blue chip D prospects yet to (fully) join the team. Good times, good vibes. A nice reward for having struggled through some really tough years.
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Weird thing is that for all the years we struggled so much of the good came in the last 3 year.

Luke-Nemec-Casey add Mercer
Vanecek
Hamilton-Marino-Graves-Siegenthaler
Meier
Palat
Even Haula

The roster building has been just so spot on its unbelievable.

I'm just over the moon with what Fitzgerald has done for this organization in almost no time.

100% deserves to be GM of the year.
 
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JimEIV said:
Weird thing is that for all the years we struggled so much of the good came in the last 3 year.

Luke-Nemec-Casey add Mercer
Vanecek
Hamilton-Marino-Graves-Siegenthaler
Meier
Palat
Even Haula

The roster building has been just so spot on its unbelievable.

I'm just over the moon with what Fitzgerald has done for this organization in almost no time.

100% deserves to be GM of the year.
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I know you don't agree, at least not fully, but when Shero took over, his main task was to just accrue talent, which we had a pretty severe lack of.

When Fitz took over, we had re-stocked the coffers, so he shifted gears, turning what we collected into the CORRECT talent. His eye for talent and understanding of what holes to fill has been impressive.
 
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Nubmer6 said:
I know you don't agree, at least not fully, but when Shero took over, his main task was to just accrue talent, which we had a pretty severe lack of.

When Fitz took over, we had re-stocked the coffers, so he shifted gears, turning what we collected into the CORRECT talent. His eye for talent and understanding of what holes to fill has been impressive.
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Shero made bad work, if his compete strategy could work better, we would stay without Nico and Jack. His defensive work was comically bad - only Bahl is playing in the league from his trades, drafts and signs. Fitz made huge and right work. But if I should admit - Nemec isn’t result of Fitz plan. We tried to compete previous season, his plan didn’t work. But I was happy with the pick. Like I was with Nico and Jack.
btw Shero’s “eye” for a talent picked Zacha McLeod and Smith in the first round outside from first picks. The same brain traded our second round picks from the team without prospects, defense and depth. But we should admit he found good scouts. If you are saying that Bratt was Shero pick, you are fooling yourself. It’s a work of scouts. But scouts did good job, thanks for them(not for chl scout), for Nico and Jack. That’s it. Hall saga was fun.


so… world is interesting place.
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Anchor5 said:
and that's why he needs to be traded ... he defintely deserves to play 1st PP unit ... Sure, there's Luke Hughes who will be a priority regardless of whether he will be better or not. Maybe if he was American and had an elite-level brother. I always said that NJ would be a bad destination for Nemec
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JimEIV said:
Weird thing is that for all the years we struggled so much of the good came in the last 3 year.

Luke-Nemec-Casey add Mercer
Vanecek
Hamilton-Marino-Graves-Siegenthaler
Meier
Palat
Even Haula

The roster building has been just so spot on its unbelievable.

I'm just over the moon with what Fitzgerald has done for this organization in almost no time.

100% deserves to be GM of the year.
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Including Palat but not Tatar? One of them has actually been good.
 
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Nubmer6 said:
I know you don't agree, at least not fully, but when Shero took over, his main task was to just accrue talent, which we had a pretty severe lack of.

When Fitz took over, we had re-stocked the coffers, so he shifted gears, turning what we collected into the CORRECT talent. His eye for talent and understanding of what holes to fill has been impressive.
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Yeah I don't agree with that at all and I'll leave it at that. Shero was an assclown
 
Yeah, who needs cap space and a new scouting department when you can fixate on a false narrative that all that matters is a "vision."

Hisch13r said:
Including Palat but not Tatar? One of them has actually been good.
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Didn't mention him because that would require honesty and admitting that he's been wrong about everything.
 
Oneiro said:
Yeah, who needs cap space and a new scouting department when you can fixate on a false narrative that all that matters is a "vision."



Didn't mention him because that would require honesty and admitting that he's been wrong about everything.
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Wrong about what? I don't value Tatar as much as others makes me wrong about everything? I don't like him sorry.

I don't like his game at all. It's great he's given us 20, he's still a player that is more representative of what was wrong with team in the past...small, soft perimeter player. Our team elevated him not the other way around. At best he was a cog in this lineup.
 
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MasterofGrond said:
Writing off Tatar as a perimeter player is funny as hell, since I don't think it's true, and even if it was, I'd take a small soft perimeter player all day if he's as possession dominant as Tatar was this season.

I'm fine if a dude dances around the outside of the zone with the puck for entire shifts at a time.
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I like that...

Me: "Small, soft , perimeter player"

You:. Not perimeter.


So we agree on 2/3 :)
 
JimEIV said:
Wrong about what? I don't value Tatar as much as others makes me wrong about everything? I don't like him sorry.

I don't like his game at all. It's great he's given us 20, he's still a player that is more representative of what was wrong with team in the past...small, soft perimeter player. Our team elevated him not the other way around. At best he was a cog in this lineup.
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Feel free to bask in the glow of a great season now and craft some weird narrative about Fitz vs. Shero to justify being high on this team to yourself. It's okay, everyone can see what's happening.
 
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Devs3cups said:
Man, he’s having a very nice season for himself.

Up to 12G, 22a, 34P in 65 games. 0.52 PPG.
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And it’s a fast finish With 6-10 in his last 17. In my view how a prospect finishes is More important than how he started in most circumstances. Hopefully Nemec continues to trend up.
 
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My3Sons said:
And it’s a fast finish With 6-10 in his last 17. In my view how a prospect finishes is More important than how he started in most circumstances. Hopefully Nemec continues to trend up.
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Yup. An adjustment period was always going to happen with a young 18-year old D-man learning the North American game. Very successful season for him.
 
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