GDT: New Jersey Devils @ Carolina Hurricanes 7 PM EST

[Volodya Krutov]

Deboer has shown that he doesn't handle young players all that well. henrique has done well because he's just too good but Pete doesn't bring out the best from the lesser skilled ones

Which young players, Tedenby and Josefson ?
It took less than 10 days for Loktionov to make the trip from Albany to center the 1st line.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Well he is playing on line one right now. Josefson got called back up and got chances on that line too and where is he?

Hate when people complain and act like they know more than everyone including the nhl coach and hall ofgame GM. write him a letter and tell him he doesn't know crap and recall jo.

Tired of clowns...

 

[The Devil In I]

Ok, well I'm open to anything - I have to be honest and say that I've never recognized his "big shot" but I am going to be paying attention to that detail.

He doesn't get to show it that much because of a) being more of a playmaker and b) the type of game he plays leading to more board work and in-tight chances. Example at ~4 min mark -

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Loktionov is currently the player Josefson was supposed to be. It's small sample size but the point is : Even with Pistol Pete a young player being good enough will get his chance.

Come on.

 

[OOOOIIIO]

Well he is playing on line one right now. Josefson got called back up and got chances on that line too and where is he?

Hate when people complain and act like they know more than everyone including the nhl coach and hall ofgame GM. write him a letter and tell him he doesn't know crap and recall jo.

Tired of clowns...

Im not saying I know more or who should be up or down. Please, find a post where I every mention that. Im purely saying that this crap argument that Loktionov was able to do well on the 4th line is useless. He didnt play a significant amount of time there, and while he did score in his limited games that does not mean he would have sustained that production. Otherwise, if we are going to project on such a small sample, where are all those goals that Clarkson should have now due to his streak at the start of the year projecting out?

But please, generalize me so you can make your argument.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I think Josefson will turn it around, but looking at our center depth(Zajac,Henqique,Lotki) where does he fit in? Someone's gonna have to move to wing.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Im not saying I know more or who should be up or down. Please, find a post where I every mention that. Im purely saying that this crap argument that Loktionov was able to do well on the 4th line is useless. He didnt play a significant amount of time there, and while he did score in his limited games that does not mean he would have sustained that production. Otherwise, if we are going to project on such a small sample, where are all those goals that Clarkson should have now due to his streak at the start of the year projecting out?

But please, generalize me so you can make your argument.

O right i forgot you were the one who didn't believe the study about the players in their prime cause ofsamplesize.

So this is a waste of time most likely.

You can't just claim its a hot streak because we are experiencing it now. The fact is that given the same players to work with, lokti out performed josefson far and away. a

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Loktionov is currently the player Josefson was supposed to be. It's small sample size but the point is : Even with Pistol Pete a young player being good enough will get his chance.

Come on.

Dude... You are so wrong. I know what my eyes saw and i won't let what happens on the ice or factual studies tell other wise.

You and deboer need to get on my level.

 

[AfroThunder396]

I mean, DeBoer WAS a coach in junior for 10 years. He knows how to handle young talent.

It's obvious that Teddy and Josefson were rushed, mostly due to our lack of talent at the NHL level at the time, and that it stunted their development. Josefson less so because his game is more mental.

 

[Colin226]

Statement win if we get it tonight.. Then we beat the Jets who we should have owned last week, wreck the Flyers who are a wreck themselves, and we're right back in this bitty

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Colin, could you type something with your pic please ?

^^Edit: don't mean to be rude, just I thought it helps phone users, sorry if I'm wrong !!

 

[OOOOIIIO]

O right i forgot you were the one who didn't believe the study about the players in their prime cause ofsamplesize.

So this is a waste of time most likely.

You can't just claim its a hot streak because we are experiencing it now. The fact is that given the same players to work with, lokti out performed josefson far and away. a

Dude... You are so wrong. I know what my eyes saw and i won't let what happens on the ice or factual studies tell other wise.

You and deboer need to get on my level.

Do you know who you are talking to? I never participated in a conversation about sample size and players prime. Nor have I ever suggested any roster changes related to the 4th line.

I guess if you keep saying it, then it must be so.

 

[stayingthecourse]

You mean like loktionov? Bottom line is josefson was bad this season. He's young and has time to improve.

We should have a screening process for new users =/

Might be a new user but far from new to the game or the team.

Loktionov did not spend nearly as much time burried - he's already playing on the top line. Josefson hasn't been afforded these types of opportunities and when he has he's played well and set up nice plays but is still demoted. He's also much more of a versatile player.

 

[stayingthecourse]

Just because Loktionov scored 2 goals on the fourth line in 2 games we act like he was the greatest ever. 1 of those goals came from a faceoff that he won by himself and the other was a cycle play, dont act like he made our 4th line as good as a 2nd line. How would he have faired over the course of 10 games on the 4th line? Probably just like everyone else who plays on that line.

Tired of reading this crap.

There's a reason he didn't play in LA.

Which young players, Tedenby and Josefson ?
It took less than 10 days for Loktionov to make the trip from Albany to center the 1st line.

Ya... and he's a #1 centerman all of a sudden right?

In case you hadn't noticed, they still lost a whole bunch of games in a row with Josefson down and Loktionov up. Josefson's all around game is much better.

Well he is playing on line one right now. Josefson got called back up and got chances on that line too and where is he?

Hate when people complain and act like they know more than everyone including the nhl coach and hall ofgame GM. write him a letter and tell him he doesn't know crap and recall jo.

Tired of clowns...

When did Josefson get those chances? He was lucky if he got 2 shifts with them.

Loktionov is currently the player Josefson was supposed to be. It's small sample size but the point is : Even with Pistol Pete a young player being good enough will get his chance.

Come on.

That's a bold statement.

 

[ScottyK]

If people here don't think Loki is better than Josefson then I don't know what to tell you

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Ya... and he's a #1 centerman all of a sudden right?

In case you hadn't noticed, they still lost a whole bunch of games in a row with Josefson down and Loktionov up. Josefson's all around game is much better.

I feel like you're not trying your best to have an honest discussion. We should stop wasting both our time right now.

 

[B A T M A N]

Judging the contract before it even kicks into effect

And no, Lou is not Paul Holmgren he isn't going to trade a player he just signed long term with a NTC before it kicks in who obviously really wanted to stay here.

Not going to find that fantasy/nhl13 style GM here in Jersey.

Laughing as if he's going to magically perform and earn that contract.

Some people must be really naive.

 

[apice3*]

Loktionov has more goals in his 9 games as a Devil than Josefson has had in his last 63 games. He's the better player, and I'm a huge fan of JJ.

 

[B A T M A N]

This team is a mess in all honesty. Our captain is a below average player, our "first line" center is in actuality a second line center at best (I'm talking about Zajac, not Lokti), and Larsson doesn't seem to be getting the chances that he needs to be able to thrive.

Unlike some, my opinion won't change until these issues change. It's not going to be fixed overnight, even if we blank the Hurricanes 10-0 tonight.

 

[apice3*]

Laughing as if he's going to magically perform and earn that contract.

Some people must be really naive.

We're going to believ the production of Zajac's first 425 games more than the most recent 20. He's in a slump. He didn't forget how to play hockey. You're the one being naive.

 

[Cheddabombs]

No matter who is better between Lokti and YaYo, the big thing is Lokti has shown he can play great with Kovalchuk and that they do have some chemistry already. The big difference I see between Loktionov and YaYo is that the former shows he has the ability to finish, while the latter struggles in that department. Obviously it's a small sample size but Lokti has impressed me more and more each game. Maybe YaYo wasn't given the chances that Lokti has but when Lokti was given the chance he took it and ran with it.

The big thing that I've been impressed with since Lokti has come over was his ability on the boards. Not because it's outstanding but because of the scouting report we were told before he came over. I remember hearing he was weak on the puck and he lost the physical battles along the boards way too easily. I haven't seen that nearly as much as I thought I would and he can more than hold his own in the corners.

Anyway, bickering back and forth right now is pointless IMO. Both are young and will still get their chance to prove what they're made of, whether it be this season or in the future. As of right now, the Devils are focused on beating the ****ing Canes and we should be too because I hate losing to these ****s.

 

[Chessarmy]

Might be a new user but far from new to the game or the team.

Loktionov did not spend nearly as much time burried - he's already playing on the top line. Josefson hasn't been afforded these types of opportunities and when he has he's played well and set up nice plays but is still demoted. He's also much more of a versatile player.

Absolutely wrong, he got lots of top line time and did nothing with it. Loktionov actually showed promise on the 4th line and got his promotion, while Josefson was invisible night after night and did nothing impactful offensively.

 

[Oroku Saki*]

I like the pairings. Idk.

 

[Zubrus Coffee Maker]

Loki is alot better right now, but the classic age argument can come into play. lets remember that loki has a year or so of development over Josefson because of injuries of development. i say, Josefson still needs to develop greatly from an offensive standpoint, keeping him in the minors is best for him

 

[Chessarmy]

I'm tired of the Salvador hate, its like everybody forgot what a complete beast he was in the playoffs last year. Be patient, sometimes it takes time to get back to form, I'm sure he will be just as great for us this year as he was last year down the stretch. Patience people