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Runner77

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Roy - a rookie GM with a huge ego.... :help:

I'd only want to see Roy as a GM for the entertainment value he'd provide, objects flying, calling people out, losing it.

But, that wouldn't advance the team's fortunes, so give me the boring and cerebral Julien BriseBois instead. I'd rather get my entertainment fix from the ice, instead.
 

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I read somewhere that Julien BriseBois at the moment has a clause that doesn't allow him to talk to other teams, but at some point that clause will be removed. I think it was on Friedman's 31 Thoughts.

However, despite that clause, if Tampa ownership, Yzerman, and BriseBoise agree, that clause can be removed.
 

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I'd only want to see Roy as a GM for the entertainment value he'd provide, objects flying, calling people out, losing it.

But, that wouldn't advance the team's fortunes, so give me the boring and cerebral Julien BriseBois instead. I'd rather get my entertainment fix from the ice, instead.
Watching Roy run the show will be like watching Trump being President. It'll be good for a laugh but in the end you know it's not going to end well.
 
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Deebs

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The season is over....blow it up from the top down
 

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Lets say we can only hire Brisebois when the season is over because of a clause on his contract.
Then what do we do? Hire another gm or keep Bergevin until the season is over and then hire Brisebois?
 

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The gunpowder is in place and the fuse has been lit. But we'll have to wait until June for the BOOM.

We keep trending this way, he won’t make it that long. Molson loves Bergevin, but like Therrien, he likes money more. Bergevin’s extension was a huge mistake and the fans will become focus soon.
 

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Lets say we can only hire Brisebois when the season is over because of a clause on his contract.
Then what do we do? Hire another gm or keep Bergevin until the season is over and then hire Brisebois?
Hire an interim GM with strong league-wide relationships and reputation with clear marching orders to preserve and/or grow short term assets (ie trade ufa's for best return, very conservative but listening on offers for term vets or RFA's).

Basically steer the ship for 4-5 months to avoid capsizing & leave incoming gm in the best situation possible.

Lombardi comes to mind...
 

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Hire an interim GM with strong league-wide relationships and reputation with clear marching orders to preserve and/or grow short term assets (ie trade ufa's for best return, very conservative but listening on offers for term vets or RFA's).

Basically steer the ship for 4-5 months to avoid capsizing & leave incoming gm in the best situation possible.

Lombardi comes to mind...
I would recommand Timmins as interim GM he understands the value of all picks and prospects.
 

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genuinely can't understand you folks care about this so much

this "I was right first mentality" is pathetic lol
Because you have posters who despite clearly having much weaker arguments and seeing theirs countered, they stick to their guns. They have no interest in actual discussions. They have their minds forged and nothing will change that, no matter how great their arguments are countered.
So when you spend countless posts arguing with someone and they refuse to see the obvious light, it's only normal when it becomes factual that they were wrong to see it thrown back in their faces.

Not to mention, being called haters or whatnot because we can see the obvious lack of direction from this organization. Ya, of course some will want to come back and tell you "see! SEE NOW!"
 
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Is Mathias Brunet a Hfboarder?

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He wants Stéphane Quintal as the Hockey President and Julien Brisebois in the org too.

Where do we sign? New people are needed to right the ship. Bergevin and his friends have had their shot and unbelievably, the team is cratering on so many levels going into his 6th season. Bergevin and friends are manufacturing the ultimate tank -- one driven by abject incompetence.
 

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Where do we sign? New people are needed to right the ship. Bergevin and his friends have had their shot and unbelievably, the team is cratering on so many levels going into his 6th season. Bergevin and friends are manufacturing the ultimate tank -- one driven by abject incompetence.
Are you ready for a real hockey debate? No bickering allowed...

How the f*** is this team cratering? Explain this to me please!
 

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Are you ready for a real hockey debate? No bickering allowed...

How the **** is this team cratering? Explain this to me please!

Given the tone of your post, you seem to be accepting of the direction the team is taking. However, you spend way more than enough time here to claim that you need this to be explained to you. You are involved in most discussions and the same points are being debated with you and others on a daily basis. I doubt very much that you need any further explanations.

Bergevin is out of his depth, on several moves he has made. Most of us have been saying that the team is poorly constructed since this summer. The team is cratering since the start of the season -- it's seriously exposed. Craig Button summarized the situation best:

"They are not a very good team. They're poorly constructed, they're flawed in so many areas, square pegs in round holes. They're trying to make Jonathon Drouin a center. He is not a center. Even though he is trying very hard. Their defense is slow. They have guys that are #5 and #6 defensemen playing in the #3 and #4 holes, and they're relying on a 19 year old defenseman. Carey Price was no good before he got hurt, so its not like he was there to save the day again. This team is small up front, they're slow on the back end, square pegs in round holes."

There are several deficiencies that should not have been present in Year 6 of Bergevin's tenure. The team's poor construction is on him. As is the lack of quality organizational depth, the absence of a true no. 1C, no first pairing LHD, no elite puck moving D. He didn't address the pressing need for primary and secondary scoring, which have been dogging the team especially in the playoffs. And this year, the way they're playing, they won't even need to worry about the playoffs, their chances of making them are very slim and getting slimmer. Poor asset mix continues to be a factor. I don't know how much more evidence is needed, he's had 5 years to attend to these issues. Seems obvious to me and most here that it's time for Bergevin to hand over the reigns to someone else. I have no idea how this is even debatable.
 
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Given the tone of your post, you seem to be accepting of the direction the team is taking. However, you spend way more than enough time here to claim that you need this to be explained to you. You are involved in most discussions and the same points are being debated with you and others on a daily basis. I doubt very much that you need any further explanations.

Bergevin is out of his depth, on several moves he has made. Most of us have been saying that the team is poorly constructed since this summer. The team is cratering since the start of the season -- it's seriously exposed. Craig Button summarized the situation best:



There are several deficiencies that should not have been present in Year 6 of Bergevin's tenure. The team's poor construction is on him. As is the lack of quality organizational depth, the absence of a true no. 1C, no first pairing LHD, no elite puck moving D. He didn't address the pressing need for primary and secondary scoring, which have been dogging the team especially in the playoffs. And this year, the way they're playing, they won't even need to worry about the playoffs, their chances of making them are very slim and getting slimmer. Poor asset mix continues to be a factor. I don't know how much more evidence is needed, he's had 5 years to attend to these issues. Seems obvious to me and most here that it's time for Bergevin to hand over the reigns to someone else. I have no idea how this is even debatable.

Craig Button... Come on man, you can do better than that! Craig Button would've been calling Bergevin a genius if we had a couple of more wins...

A bunch of you predicted the apocalypse since I joined the board...So now that the team is doing not so well you feel like you've been right the whole time? Seems like a winning strategy...

There's nothing constructive in your biased analysis as always, just pure hate...

Yeah yeah, 6 years, 6 years, keep repeating it, it might sound better, but what about those 6 years number? What about that #elite 1 center?

Let's say it wouldn't be Bergevin the GM for the last 6 years and it would've been you. Even with hindsight I challenge you to get that amazing center....
 

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Craig Button... Come on man, you can do better than that! Craig Button would've been calling Bergevin a genius if we had a couple of more wins...

A bunch of you predicted the apocalypse since I joined the board...So now that the team is doing not so well you feel like you've been right the whole time? Seems like a winning strategy...

There's nothing constructive in your biased analysis as always, just pure hate...

Yeah yeah, 6 years, 6 years, keep repeating it, it might sound better, but what about those 6 years number? What about that #elite 1 center?

Let's say it wouldn't be Bergevin the GM for the last 6 years and it would've been you. Even with hindsight I challenge you to get that amazing center....
Amazes me everytime how someone who is so active can understand so little from other posters.
Pretty hilarious too that you condescendingly ask a poster just one post up if he's ready to have a serious discussion, no BS, and then write this horse shit about "Oh Lordy Lord, so many of you have been claiming for the Apocalypse for soooo long"...

You haven't been ready to have a serious and conversation since you joined this board. Maybe take your own advice.
 

Belial

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Amazes me everytime how someone who is so active can understand so little from other posters.
Pretty hilarious too that you condescendingly ask a poster just one post up if he's ready to have a serious discussion, no BS, and then write this horse **** about "Oh Lordy Lord, so many of you have been claiming for the Apocalypse for soooo long"...

You haven't been ready to have a serious and conversation since you joined this board. Maybe take your own advice.
Yes, different opinions are amazing and really tough to digest. You're clearly struggling even after some puffs of reality...
 

expy

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Only if you assume he's the best candidate.

You don't know who is the best candidate is until you turn over every stone. If the best one happens to be French, excellent - we saw this with the Julien hire.

The search should not be limited from the get go.
Yes, it's stupid and ignorant to assume that Brisebois would be the best candidate.

Screw language, ask other teams for permission to speak to their staff, and poach a GM. Stop settling for the people that nobody want (and have no jobs).

Enough with mediocrity in Montreal, that especially goes for mediocrity in hiring practices based off primitive outdated politics.
 

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Yes, it's stupid and ignorant to assume that Brisebois would be the best candidate.

Screw language, ask other teams for permission to speak to their staff, and poach a GM. Stop settling for the people that nobody want (and have no jobs).

Enough with mediocrity in Montreal, that especially goes for mediocrity in hiring practices based off primitive outdated politics.

since you're clearly neither stupid or ignorant, care to tell us who would be a better candidate then ?
 

expy

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since you're clearly neither stupid or ignorant, care to tell us who would be a better candidate then ?
Half on the current NHL GMs are better candidates than a guy with no job in the NHL as GM. Did you even read my post? Talk about ignorant.
 

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genuinely can't understand you folks care about this so much

this "I was right first mentality" is pathetic lol

My point was more that I wasn't going to give somebody in the media credit for pointing out something a bunch of dweebs on HFboards figured out ages ago. It wasn't really about bragging, but your insecurity complex seems to be working overtime.
 
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