Blue Jays Discussion: New Contract offer to Vladdy? Berrios opening Day pitcher

[Bjindaho]

Something to keep in mind is that the Jays have never had a "career" Blue Jay.

The record for most games played as a Jay is Fernandez (traded to SD), Delgado (left as FA), Wells (traded to the Angels), Moseby (left as FA), Bautista (acquired from Pittsburgh), and Whitt (expansion draft pick to Toronto and traded to Atlanta) with the top pitchers being Stieb (left as FA), Clancy (expansion pick and left as FA), Halladay (traded to Philly), Key (left as FA) and Hentgen (traded to St. Louis)

 

[Discoverer]

Something to keep in mind is that the Jays have never had a "career" Blue Jay.

The record for most games played as a Jay is Fernandez (traded to SD), Delgado (left as FA), Wells (traded to the Angels), Moseby (left as FA), Bautista (acquired from Pittsburgh), and Whitt (expansion draft pick to Toronto and traded to Atlanta) with the top pitchers being Stieb (left as FA), Clancy (expansion pick and left as FA), Halladay (traded to Philly), Key (left as FA) and Hentgen (traded to St. Louis)

They went out of their way to makes Wells a career Blue Jay. It just... didn't work out so well.

 

[MS]

Something to keep in mind is that the Jays have never had a "career" Blue Jay.

The record for most games played as a Jay is Fernandez (traded to SD), Delgado (left as FA), Wells (traded to the Angels), Moseby (left as FA), Bautista (acquired from Pittsburgh), and Whitt (expansion draft pick to Toronto and traded to Atlanta) with the top pitchers being Stieb (left as FA), Clancy (expansion pick and left as FA), Halladay (traded to Philly), Key (left as FA) and Hentgen (traded to St. Louis)

Garth Iorg played 931 games as a one-team Blue Jay and I think that’s the record.

 

[Bjindaho]

Garth Iorg played 931 games as a one-team Blue Jay and I think that’s the record.

It is. He played 9 seasons.

Romero has the most IP (4 seasons plus 7.1 innings of a 5th)

 

[mikeyz]

It is. He played 9 seasons.

Romero has the most IP (4 seasons plus 7.1 innings of a 5th)

I would love to know what Romero did during the 2012 ASB. Because my f***ing god, he was absolutely horrendous after that and he was never the same going forward.

 

[MK78]

Doesnt want to be a distraction, but...

They said on the radio someone translated it and he said something to the effect of "If i have a great season i can get 700M, if I have a bad season i can still get 500M"

Dude is starting to lose a LOT of positive fan sentiment.

 

[Puckstuff]

They said on the radio someone translated it and he said something to the effect of "If i have a great season i can get 700M, if I have a bad season i can still get 500M"

Dude is starting to lose a LOT of positive fan sentiment.

Yeah, his career OPS is nearly 100 points lower than Soto. He would need to put up another 1.000+ ops season to get close to that type of money. If I'm the Jays, I'm in no rush to sign him.

 

[Ale Brew]

Gotta figure that's a good sign. Shatkins is almost never this forward/to the point with the media.

Yeah, it’s quite honestly stupid to even comment unless they are really close to finalizing something.

 

[MK78]

Yeah, his career OPS is nearly 100 points lower than Soto. He would need to put up another 1.000+ ops season to get close to that type of money. If I'm the Jays, I'm in no rush to sign him.

I can guarantee if he has a bad season like 2023, nobody's gonna give him $500M.

 

[horner]

They said on the radio someone translated it and he said something to the effect of "If i have a great season i can get 700M, if I have a bad season i can still get 500M"

Dude is starting to lose a LOT of positive fan sentiment.

And bringing up the Yankees all the time.

He still hasn't grown up , I personally don't care for his attitude.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Vladdy responded to the sentiment of the front office. Wasn't as flowery as Shapiro but he appears to also be somewhat optimistic.

 

[Anthrax442]

 

[Blitzkrug]

I'm hoping he at least makes the roster. The nice thing with the group they've assembled is there's plenty of positional flexibility. Wagner could DH, play third. Clement is who i had starting at 3B but you could easily play him at 2B as well.

 

[Eyedea]

I would love to know what Romero did during the 2012 ASB. Because my f***ing god, he was absolutely horrendous after that and he was never the same going forward.

He was pretty much shit for all of 2012. I assume you meant 2011, but he actually played even better than the first half of that season. Way more groundballs, way more weak contact, and yes he was fairly lucky as it all culminated in some insanely high LOB% and low BABIP. Like Marco Estrada you pretty much knew he was going to either throw the FB or the CH, but if you chose wrong, then it's a groundball (in Estrada's case a flyball).

I remember the rumours floating around that his drop in performance lined up with his breakup with Miss USA. Then the surgeries and treatment started becoming more frequent and it became known that he was dealing with issues in both of his knees for years.

Truth be told, he was also a failed prospect that struck lightning in a bottle for a few years. He had zero control in the minors and had reverse splits as a lefty... Jays managed to eke some value out of him and Aaron Sanchez despite similar trajectory as failed top pitching prospects that just came up due to pedigree.

 

[aingefan]

Ernie Clement was raving about WW’s defence at third. Looks like he has plenty of arm for it.
Definitely a positive answer to a spring question, of many nice stories.
He can play some second to spell Gimenez (who can spell Bo), some third with Clement, spell Vladdy, and DH some.
Pretty good pathway to getting into as many games as his bat can force.
Santander, Bichette, Vladdy, Gimenez, Varsho are all full time guys, 150+ games. C is covered.
Clement and Wags cover third.
Springer’s got an OF spot to start, but there’s good guys pushing right now taking the rest of the AB’s. One of two spots where there’s some contention….but also some of the best performances from the spring (coincidentally LH bats)
Lastly, there’s DH where Wags can get lots of reps and whoever else is earning them (Schneider is earning his spot).
Spring is playing out real well on the position player side and AAA gonna put up lots of runs

 

[canucksfan]

 

[trellaine201]

Hope they make room for Yarboro by tomorrow or he’s gone.

 

[Blitzkrug]

That's a win in my book. I was never really high on Loperfido when they got him. Bloss was obviously the centerpiece of the package.

Less shitty outfielders, more bats on the bench. They can have Straw as their defensive sub if they keep doing it like this.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[canucksfan]

That's a win in my book. I was never really high on Loperfido when they got him. Bloss was obviously the centerpiece of the package.

Less shitty outfielders, more bats on the bench. They can have Straw as their defensive sub if they keep doing it like this.

Loperfido has some nice tools but he has made some adjustments at the plate and that is best to work on in AAA. Also, there are more deserved players on the squad to make the team.

 

[Nineteen67]

They had a great season and went 5-0 in the games we attended. If the good Lord’s willing we’ll see them again next year.
Hopefully they get some contracts settled and can hire some in-game entertainment and use the dang score board for something between innings.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Something to keep in mind is that the Jays have never had a "career" Blue Jay.

The record for most games played as a Jay is Fernandez (traded to SD), Delgado (left as FA), Wells (traded to the Angels), Moseby (left as FA), Bautista (acquired from Pittsburgh), and Whitt (expansion draft pick to Toronto and traded to Atlanta) with the top pitchers being Stieb (left as FA), Clancy (expansion pick and left as FA), Halladay (traded to Philly), Key (left as FA) and Hentgen (traded to St. Louis)

Yeah but there's a bunch of guys you listed that are eternally Blue Jays. And many more. If Vladddy leaves, he'll be remembered as a player of some other team.

Fernandez being my favourite player of all time (RIP) is to me 100% Blue Jays player. George Bell, Jimmy Key, Tom Henke, Rance Mulliniks etc etc etc.

This sounds good from Mark Shapiro, I really like what he's saying.

Doesn't exactly sound all that great from Vlad Jr. and I wonder if there's pressure for him to become a bigger star somewhere in the USA, make way more money from sponsorships/advertising gigs etc........Earn real life favors and a better climate etc etc.

If he walks..........I think he deserves some mild boos for sure.

And yet it's totally understandable if he leaves for a US team. I'd probably do the same and shrug the shame off.

 

[Nineteen67]

Something to keep in mind is that the Jays have never had a "career" Blue Jay.

The record for most games played as a Jay is Fernandez (traded to SD), Delgado (left as FA), Wells (traded to the Angels), Moseby (left as FA), Bautista (acquired from Pittsburgh), and Whitt (expansion draft pick to Toronto and traded to Atlanta) with the top pitchers being Stieb (left as FA), Clancy (expansion pick and left as FA), Halladay (traded to Philly), Key (left as FA) and Hentgen (traded to St. Louis)

Hated to see Tony Fernandez traded but Toronto is a tough place to play for most players, especially the American born players. I get why they’d want out.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Loperfido reminds me of Teo. Toolsey OF in a trade from HOU. Teo needed to go back to AAA to work on some stuff too. Joey needs to be playing everyday. I'd much prefer Berroa, or Straw up here if it's just a bench role available. We'll see how Varsho affects that, and how long it takes to make a tough decision on Springer.

 

[Discoverer]

Hated to see Tony Fernandez traded but Toronto is a tough place to play for most players, especially the American born players. I get why they’d want out.

Which of those American players "wanted out"? The guys who left as free agents all spent 10+ years in Toronto, signed multiple contracts with the team, and (with the exception of Key) showed serious signs of decline before they left.

Halladay wanted out because he wanted to win and the Jays needed to rebuild, not because he didn't want to play in Canada.

Hell, Wells signed on to spend the rest of his career here and only got traded because the team had a chance to move a terrible contract.