New Accusations Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz paid for sex with a teenager.

[MacMacandBarbie]

Lol, you're so full of shit. Nice try.

Read one of the many credible articles published by reputable news outlets. Sage claimed she was coerced into crossing state lines that ended in sexual exploitation. That’s called sex trafficking. The Buttons called her a paid prostitute. Two different things.

First of all, learn what a counterclaim is.

The more you posts in here, the more it looks like you really hoped Katz was fooling around with a minor.

Okay, so it’s her claim, not counterclaim. Not sure why arguing semantics is going to grow legs to your baseless argument.

 

[Del Preston]

Read one of the many credible articles published by reputable news outlets. Sage claimed she was coerced into crossing state lines that ended in sexual exploitation. That’s called sex trafficking. The Buttons called her a paid prostitute. Two different things.

You're combining two different lawsuits and then claiming you want justice. The lawsuit against the Buttons has nothing to do with Katz.

It's painfully obvious to everyone else in here that you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

No, there are two separate claims here. You are clearly siding with the Button's claims against the woman in question here.

You can't have it both ways when it suits you.

I believe Sage when she claims she was sex trafficked. I don’t believe the Buttons when they say she was a prostitute. Haven’t waivered on that one bit, but I know you’ve ran out of argument points to defend your crappy position of defending a scummy billionaire whose lawyer admitted to sending direct payments to a woman who claimed she was sex trafficked.

You're combining two different lawsuits and then claiming you want justice. The lawsuit against the Buttons has nothing to do with Katz.

It's painfully obvious to everyone else in here that you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

I didn’t combine any lawsuits. I just happened to notice that Katz’s lawyer confirmed he sent direct payments to Sage, and that Sage claimed she was sex trafficked with solid evidence so far. Here we are.

 

[Del Preston]

I believe Sage when she claims she was sex trafficked. I don’t believe the Buttons when they say she was a prostitute. Haven’t waivered on that one bit, but I know you’ve ran out of argument points to defend your crappy position of defending a scummy billionaire whose lawyer admitted to sending direct payments to a woman who claimed she was sex trafficked.

You've spent the last five pages claiming Katz sent "$75,000" for sex with Humphries when everyone involved in the transaction has denied it.

Posting the actual facts from the articles that have been written and correcting you every time you post something wrong is not defending Katz. The text messages aren't flattering. They also don't make me want to repeatedly post that they had a sexual relationship and mix up two different lawsuits to come to my own conclusion.

You're ignorant as hell.

 

[Soundwave]

I believe Sage when she claims she was sex trafficked. I don’t believe the Buttons when they say she was a prostitute. Haven’t waivered on that one bit, but I know you’ve ran out of argument points to defend your crappy position of defending a scummy billionaire whose lawyer admitted to sending direct payments to a woman who claimed she was sex trafficked.

She says she was trafficked by the Buttons and not to Katz.

So do you believe that or not?

Again you can't just invent and bend the narrative where ever it suits whatever you want.

You either believe the woman or you believe the Button's version of events. There is no magical version even being claimed by either side that is somewhere is the middle, some thing you invented out of your ass doesn't count.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

No, you arent on the side of justice.

That might be your best argument yet, because you presented an opinion that can’t be argued against instead of false information you pulled from your arse, like pretending Sage’s lawsuit didn’t allege she was being sex trafficked.

You've spent the last five pages claiming Katz sent "$75,000" for sex with Humphries when everyone involved in the transaction has denied it.

Posting the actual facts from the articles that have been written and correcting you every time you post something wrong is not defending Katz. The text messages aren't flattering. They also don't make me want to repeatedly post that they had a sexual relationship and mix up two different lawsuits to come to my own conclusion.

You're ignorant as hell.

Why did Katz’s lawyer come out and admit to a direct payment? Doesn’t sound much like a denial to me. Sounds like you’re choosing which facts you want to accept.

She says she was trafficked by the Buttons and not to Katz.

So do you believe that or not?

Again you can't just invent and bend the narrative where ever it suits whatever you want.

You either believe the woman or you believe the Button's version of events. There is no magical version even being claimed by either side that is somewhere is the middle, some thing you invented out of your ass doesn't count.

Yeah, I believe she was sex trafficked. I believe Katz’s lawyer when he says there was a direct payment sent to her. And I also believe this is just another piece of proven patterns of behavior from an owner the NHL shouldn’t be involved with.

Btw, most arguments are somewhere in the middle, very rarely is one side telling the 100% truth.

 

[Del Preston]

That might be your best argument yet, because you presented an opinion that can’t be argued against instead of false information you pulled from your arse, like pretending Sage’s lawsuit didn’t allege she was being sex trafficked.

We've been talking about the Humphries/Katz accusation by the Buttons for several pages now. You just decided to include Humphries's quote from her lawsuit against the Buttons and spin it to include Katz when that is not what her accusation was about. She has disputed any claim of a sexual relationship with Katz. You are ignoring that and combining the two, and then using your made-up bullshit "truth" to twist the words from other posters to make some point that no one has any idea is.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

We've been talking about the Humphries/Katz accusation by the Buttons for several pages now. You just decided to include Humphries's quote from her lawsuit against the Buttons and spin it to include Katz when that is not what her accusation was about. She has disputed any claim of a sexual relationship with Katz. You are ignoring that and combining the two, and then using your made-up bullshit "truth" to twist the words from other posters to make some point that no one has any idea is.

Not sure how you want to twist this narrative, but it doesn’t look good on Katz to admit to a direct payment to an 18 year old who was allegedly sex trafficked. This guy has a scummy history, and is an old married man. That’s not the type of person the NHL should be in bed with.

 

[Del Preston]

Why did Katz’s lawyer come out and admit to a direct payment? Doesn’t sound much like a denial to me. Sounds like you’re choosing which facts you want to accept.

Because Katz's lawyer disputed that the payment was for sex (which Humphries's lawyer agreed with) and said it was for a movie project. And again, he corrected how much the transaction was for.

 

[HolyGhost]

Media is saying she was 18 at the time

 

[KeydGV21]

Every word you type that is not "Yes" or "No" to my question is plain, bold-faced deflection. You have to know that, right?

Dude…your scenario was the most outrageous, useless thing I’ve ever seen on the internet…

No one is answering it because it adds literally nothing to anything…

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

In case it wasn't posted yet:

Claims against Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz withdrawn​

Claims against Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz withdrawn

Claims Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz had an inappropriate relationship with a former ballerina were withdrawn because she was not a minor during her alleged interaction with him.

www.sportsnet.ca

"The California driver’s licence of Sage Nicole Humphries, sent to Sportsnet and verified by her attorney’s office, displays a birthdate of Oct. 3, 1997, which makes her 24. It also means she was 18 during her alleged interaction with Katz, who is now 61."

Thread should be closed. Kinda gross either way assuming it happened but it's basically none of our business at this point.

 

[Zerotonine]

Why would a woman who received a sketchy direct payment of 75k, which she likely never paid taxes on, admit to anything going between her and Katz? What motivation would she have to admit to anything between her and Katz period?

So the fact that the Buttons conveniently knew about the direct payment and the exact amount of it means nothing to you?

The fact the buttons are the one being sued and conveniently started throwing shade at every one else in every direction means nothing to you.

Crazy in today's tones accusations carry more weight then actual facts....

 

[Oilslick941611]

So
What
Are
You
Trying
To
Prove?

No crime was committed by Katz . End of story. The rest doesn’t matter and is just grandstanding moral authority from people who are too far deep into their own lies to admit they have this situation wrong.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

It's clear they never had sex and the payment was not explicitly made for sex.

But it is still weird for him to give that kind of money to a young girl unless it was a close family friend or if they were actually in business together.

I believe there's a good chance he paid her to possibly court her or groom her for sex later on at some point. Because he was accused of doing the same thing to another women.

‘Jane the Virgin’ Actress Says NHL Owner Offered Movie Role for Sex​

‘Jane the Virgin’ Actress Says NHL Owner Offered Movie Role for Sex (EXCLUSIVE)

In a defamation suit filed Monday, model Greice Santo says she was twice propositioned in the billionaire's hotel room

variety.com

But who knows, there's still a bit of a leap to even make that claim

 

[Oilslick941611]

You're still not answering my question. If you believe everything depicted in those text messages was above board, you're telling me you would happily facilitate that same interaction, right? If not, well, that's not exactly consistent logic, is it?

your question is irrelevant to the matter at hand. You are playing in hypothetical situations and using logical fallacies to continue to rail against something that isn't illegal ( has both parties were over the age of 18) and trying to disparage posters on the board by creating a false equivalency of a situation that doesn't exist and trying to make a moral argument that no one else is making.

Defending him and refusing to jump to conclusions are two different things.

One day you'll understand.


Are you sure you should be calling others out for deflection after Spawn embarrassed you earlier tonight?

I don't know of anyone here who was defending Katz, what I saw was people needing more evidence and credible accusations before making a judgement and guess what? the accusations fell apart because they weren't credible ( they fell apart the day Humphries denied them)

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

still a massive creep regardless.

People will forever remember this situation

 

[Silky Johnson]

pretty sure if you like to have sex with those that are underaged it makes you a pedophile.
pretty sure 17 still counts

edit* looked it up he's apparently a Ephebophile. I dunno gross stuff imo

Both are not OK but one is way worse than the other.

Pedophiles are people attracted to pre-pubecent children. It typically doesn't matter what gender the victim is, often with that being determined by access. For example Catholic Priest who rape little boys are not gay they are pedophiles who have access to alter boys.

Pedophilia is a horrific crime that robs people of their childhood, is physically damaging and painful for the victims and can lead to a lifetime of mental issues. It is really one of the worst crimes one can commit.

Our society has (and I think correctly) decided that even consensual sex between adults and 16 & 17 year old should be limited and illegal with post pubescent teens under 16. Other societies have different age limits but there is a definite trend towards lengthening adolescent life. That is a good thing.

However, calling someone who is attracted to a post pubescent person a pedophile is incorrect and stupid.

Every poster on here has many family members who were married to 14-17 year old in the last several hundred years. There has been a positive change in the moral zeitgeist regarding this behaviour but it was very common not so long ago and currently on other countries.

Purposefully mislabelling pedophiles is an insult to how truly horrific the act is.

 

[snag]

However, calling someone who is attracted to a post pubescent person a pedophile is incorrect and stupid.

Show me one guy here who has says he has never copped a gawk at a good looking teenaged girl in a bikini at the beach and I will show you a liar....


Unless well....maybe...

 

[TOGuy14]

Just a question here but Katz seems to have had a few very public spats of paying money for sex.

Isn't this a married dude with children? I am guessing his wife signed a pre-nup or something here...

 

[PostBradMalone]

your question is irrelevant to the matter at hand. You are playing in hypothetical situations and using logical fallacies to continue to rail against something that isn't illegal ( has both parties were over the age of 18) and trying to disparage posters on the board by creating a false equivalency of a situation that doesn't exist and trying to make a moral argument that no one else is making.

How hard is it to answer yes or no to a question? If it is difficult for you to answer that question, what do you think that says about you as a person?

 

[TheTrashMan]

still a massive creep regardless.

People will forever remember this situation

People with forget in 10 days

How hard is it to answer yes or no to a question? If it is difficult for you to answer that question, what do you think that says about you as a person?

What does this say about you…….

 

[Silky Johnson]

Show me one guy here who has says he has never copped a gawk at a good looking teenaged girl in a bikini at the beach and I will show you a liar....


Unless well....maybe...

100% correct. Just don't act on it.

Find yourself gawking at a 9 year old in a suitsuit...maybe it's time to slip these mortal bonds.

 

[PostBradMalone]

What does this say about you…….

That I am not okay with pervs creeping on teenage girls? If you find yourself on the same side as the pro-creeping on women camp that has been very vocal in this thread thus far about their support for such things, you may want to reevaluate your life choices (unless you’re okay being grouped in with them, that is).

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Show me one guy here who has says he has never copped a gawk at a good looking teenaged girl in a bikini at the beach and I will show you a liar....


Unless well....maybe...

How many teenagers do you typically gawk at during a given day?