Post-Game Talk: Never in doubt-Panthers cap successful road trip with epic 6-4 comeback win

[CHGoalie27]

I swear this board is bipolar... So funny ! lool

The team is, always has been, probably always will be. And that only makes sense for those the ones who follow the team to be as their team is.

 

[austropanther]

He might be too proud for not accepting that bottom pairing role in which he should be slotted to in all honesty. Yandle is a QB specialist and if overused will succumb to a series of mistakes. That was on full display in last season but this aspect is sugar coated because he puts so a lot of points. If Yandle is penciled as a top pairing or even as a circa 20min top4 dman, the Cats can forget about achieving substantial success in the playoffs if they someday make it there.

Maybe Weegar or Stillman is the missing top4 dman but a lot depends on adding more reliability to defense.

Looking at Weegar's performances so far, he is the one. Great game yesterday overall offensively and defensively, brightest spot on D. I hardly think he lost one battle for the puck and showed great patience and wheels on the offense

Kudos also to Matheson with his impressive stickwork (although I find he falls over too often when challenged by bigger guys). Ekblad was quietly solid, as was Strals. Brown is limited, but did his job.

Yandle is even bad on the PP currently - there were a few occasions when he fired the puck into the corner where noone of his teammates was in any kind of position to get a hold of the puck

What I still don't like about our D is our net front presence. It is just not there, the opposition can park themselves too easily in front without having to battle for it

 

[GrumpyKelly]

Yandle is team worst -5 while playing the second fewest minutes on D (Brown plays only about 11 minutes /game).

He had turnovers last year but it wasn't even close to being this bad. I think either he figures out the system or he gets moved in the off-season. I'm sure a team like Arizona would take him back and he'd be willing to waive there.

 

[drktmplr12]

He might be too proud for not accepting that bottom pairing role in which he should be slotted to in all honesty. Yandle is a QB specialist and if overused will succumb to a series of mistakes. That was on full display in last season but this aspect is sugar coated because he puts so a lot of points. If Yandle is penciled as a top pairing or even as a circa 20min top4 dman, the Cats can forget about achieving substantial success in the playoffs if they someday make it there.

Maybe Weegar or Stillman is the missing top4 dman but a lot depends on adding more reliability to defense.

as Belichick would say...


do your job, yandle. which isn't playing 22m a night it appears

i hate the pats.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

This is a Panthers thread why dont you leave talk abt other teams out of this?

No? They are Florida's next opponent...

Yandle is team worst -5 while playing the second fewest minutes on D (Brown plays only about 11 minutes /game).

He had turnovers last year but it wasn't even close to being this bad. I think either he figures out the system or he gets moved in the off-season. I'm sure a team like Arizona would take him back and he'd be willing to waive there.

That 3rd pair isn't working. I would like to see Stillman get a shot over Brown, I don't think Yandle being benched is realistic.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Yandle has been our worst D man. Didn’t like Matheson until the last couple games but he’s been great since. Ekblad has been solid. He still has those stupid lazy plays every now and then but not egregious. Yandle on the other hand has been a Gordon show and for an offensive D he has sucked offensively and been a pile of shit defensively. Weegar looks great. Stralman is solid. Brown I still think has been ok, but fighting it a little.

 

[IceManCat]

Yandle is a huge waste of money if we are planning on keeping him on third pairing. Too bad he has a NMC it could make things complicated of we plan to trade him.

 

[Boothinator]

Yandle is a huge waste of money if we are planning on keeping him on third pairing. Too bad he has a NMC it could make things complicated of we plan to trade him.

Trade him back to Arizona. Hjalmarsson is out for 3 months

 

[GrumpyKelly]

That 3rd pair isn't working. I would like to see Stillman get a shot over Brown, I don't think Yandle being benched is realistic.

Stillman would have to play on his off side and I don't think he'd be much of an upgrade. He looked good in the pre-season but so did Brown.

Yandle is a huge waste of money if we are planning on keeping him on third pairing. Too bad he has a NMC it could make things complicated of we plan to trade him.

If he gets moved it's in the off-season since he's got family and it's complicated, I assume he wouldn't waive at this point. But if he is the odd man out and only gets third pairing minutes I think he would accept a trade.

 

[Chaos2k7]

If Yandle could handle 10 EV minutes a night, we could get him 4-7 mins on the PP.

Best case scenario.

Maybe Yandle is hurt and is putting the streak ahead of his performance? But he doesnt look right. His game has always been high danger chances, but he is missing simple plays, passes etc. Looks like its physical to me.

 

[Gentle Man]

If Yandle could handle 10 EV minutes a night, we could get him 4-7 mins on the PP.

Best case scenario.

Maybe Yandle is hurt and is putting the streak ahead of his performance? But he doesnt look right. His game has always been high danger chances, but he is missing simple plays, passes etc. Looks like its physical to me.

But his offensive play is also off.

He passed up 3 shots and made sweet feeds to the faceoff dots.

Its mental too. Maybe he is pressing? Idk. Maybe Q is riding him hard.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

If Yandle could handle 10 EV minutes a night, we could get him 4-7 mins on the PP.

Best case scenario.

Maybe Yandle is hurt and is putting the streak ahead of his performance? But he doesnt look right. His game has always been high danger chances, but he is missing simple plays, passes etc. Looks like its physical to me.

Then that begs for a question of why the Cats would be paying $6.35mil for a dman who can't defend. I am yet to witness a single defensive situation where Yandle displayed some top of the line defensive instincts. iirc Yandle doesn't have the A on his chest anymore so maybe that is indicative of his role now and in the near future.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Then that begs for a question of why the Cats would be paying $6.35mil for a dman who can't defend. I am yet to witness a single defensive situation where Yandle displayed some top of the line defensive instincts. iirc Yandle doesn't have the A on his chest anymore so maybe that is indicative of his role now and in the near future.

They brought him in to reincarnate our PP which was one of the leagues worst units for years and years.

But if they cant even hide him on the third pair, we have an issue. His salary is fine if he is still great on the PP. But he has fallen off a cliff here. He hasnt been right since he left that game last season, and then continued to play through it IMO.

 

[MintyFresh88]

I'd be for trading Yandle if we had someone capable of handling PP duties. I don't think Ekblad or Matheson are strong enough to QB our PP. It would be a fairly big downgrade. Like I said, Yandle needs to knock off the stupid errors at 5v5 and he'll be fine.

On Barkov, I'm not really concerned. He has 5 assists in 6 games. If he ends up with 20-25 goals and 55-60 assists and we make the playoffs, I don't think anyone will be complaining.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

I like the thread title changes. hehe
Still a little juiced about yesterday's game. That was a great comeback. A little down about having to wait 3 more days until the next game.
Risking the jinx, the other two times the Panthers have comeback from 3 goal deficits in the regular season, were the seasons they won their two division titles. And one of those comebacks was also against the Devils (although that was the same season they lost to the Devils in the first round of the playoffs).

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I'd be for trading Yandle if we had someone capable of handling PP duties. I don't think Ekblad or Matheson are strong enough to QB our PP. It would be a fairly big downgrade. Like I said, Yandle needs to knock off the stupid errors at 5v5 and he'll be fine.

On Barkov, I'm not really concerned. He has 5 assists in 6 games. If he ends up with 20-25 goals and 55-60 assists and we make the playoffs, I don't think anyone will be complaining.

Weegar may be the new PPQB, Tallon drafted him as that and gushed about his abilities when he was on Halifax.
Can't say enough good things about him, he has literally progressed every single year since his 2nd last year in the Q.
Ekblad is still an option on the PP, Matheson seems to be more of the PK guy now anyhow.
Still going to give Yandle another couple games to shake this exorcism but if it gets worse, I ask:

What type of Yandle trade would you do?

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

Weegar may be the new PPQB, Tallon drafted him as that and gushed about his abilities when he was on Halifax.
Can't say enough good things about him, he has literally progressed every single year since his 2nd last year in the Q.
Ekblad is still an option on the PP, Matheson seems to be more of the PK guy now anyhow.
Still going to give Yandle another couple games to shake this exorcism but if it gets worse, I ask:

What type of Yandle trade would you do?

Yandle + 5th for Armia + 2nd.

 

[Gentle Man]

Weegar may be the new PPQB, Tallon drafted him as that and gushed about his abilities when he was on Halifax.
Can't say enough good things about him, he has literally progressed every single year since his 2nd last year in the Q.
Ekblad is still an option on the PP, Matheson seems to be more of the PK guy now anyhow.
Still going to give Yandle another couple games to shake this exorcism but if it gets worse, I ask:

What type of Yandle trade would you do?

At that salary and term? Good luck not retaining anything unless a premium is paid.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Yandle + 5th for Armia + 2nd.

Clear cap cut I see. Also makes MON a bit better on the PP. Would rather move him out of division.
We'd still need a D or you promoting Stillman?

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

At that salary and term? Good luck not retaining anything unless a premium is paid.

Call me crazy but I'd possibly attach Heponiemi?
Really worry his game may not work in the NHL, maybe the AHL but will be watching his year more intently than Tippett's.
Hope he proves me wrong.

Try and balance out Yandle's "retirement years" with a good budding prospect and receive a cheaper shutdown LD with 2-3 years of term left. Maybe chase Zadorov from COL?
Try and keep the 1st this year and draft another C or D prospect.

Weegar may end up working as a LD which would open up the market for us to take back a LD or RD. You hope Yandle wakes up and at least gets going offensively to raise his value a bit, will be easier with only 3 years left instead of 4. Would be an off-season move.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

I'm not really ready to cut bait on Yandle yet. Barkov is on pace for 0 goals....it's early lol

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I'm not really ready to cut bait on Yandle yet. Barkov is on pace for 0 goals....it's early lol

Not this year but depending on Weegar, we may have a new 3 D to protect come expansion draft.
Doubtful Yandle stays here the entirety of his deal imo. What about you?
No way we go 4-4-1 this time around.

Barkov, 0 goals, 86 assists

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

Clear cap cut I see. Also makes MON a bit better on the PP. Would rather move him out of division.
We'd still need a D or you promoting Stillman?

I'm counting on Stillman to make the jump pretty soon, shouldn't be a real mountain to climb considering how badly Yandle is playing atm.

I am a big believer that players need to be traded out of division, maybe in the case of McJesus and Crosby. Yandle is out of the biz in two years time anyhoo.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I'm counting on Stillman to make the jump pretty soon, shouldn't be a real mountain to climb considering how badly Yandle is playing atm.

I am a big believer that players need to be traded out of division, maybe in the case of McJesus and Crosby. Yandle is out of the biz in two years time anyhoo.

Stillman does look good. Happy with our LD pipeline, Gildon, Koly and Ludvig also have some size and bite to their game.

Yandle will go as far as his PP ability will take him. Still think he bounces back offensively this year though.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

Stillman does look good. Happy with our LD pipeline, Gildon, Koly and Ludvig also have some size and bite to their game.

Yandle will go as far as his PP ability will take him. Still think he bounces back offensively this year though.

If Yandle doesn't get his PP-time then he's usually a non-factor, at times downright atrocious even though his salary would indicate otherwise, even a glimpse of excellence of some sort. I would guarantee that the Calculator is constantly looking for extracting more value out of the payroll and Yandle's number is being subtracted pretty soon imo.

The pipeline looks good but I'm not expecting top pairing dmen out of them, but anything could happen. I'd reckon that Dale is adamant on trying to develop Math into some Duncan Keith-clone just out of pride instead if it is actually realistic expectation.