Player Discussion Necas

[Highest Boss]

 

[bleedgreen]

The rumors aren't saying that though.
First, we've had 1 rumor/report from Friedman (I think) that said he didn't want to extend in Columbus at the draft. We assume it's valid because it was from Friedman, even though he's wrong way more than he's right. Then we had a tweet from some poster with like 100 followers who calls himself "Canes insider" that said he wouldn't sign with WPG. We've seen no other reports from legit insiders to corroborate that report.

Secondly, I never saw anything that stated why he wouldn't sign in CLB. I did see some stuff about "wanting it to be the right fit", but that was it.

So the long term outlook of the team you speak of is an assumption fans are making from what I can tell.

Again, your assumption. If he indeed is saying he won't sign with more teams than CLB, then he's simply exercising the leverage he has. RFAs do this all the time. He doesn't get full control, but he has some control.

What he can't dictate:
1) Where the Canes can trade him. They can trade him anywhere.
2) If the Canes don't like the terms of any trade (for any reason), then they control him for 2 more years and he'll be a Hurricane for 2 more years.

What he can dictate:
1) What contract he will sign (outside of arbitration ruling). Whether that be in Carolina or with another team. The CBA provides him that right.


The only credible rumor we've seen is CLB at draft day and that Buffalo was interested at the draft, but there was no real information on the make-up of a trade with Buffalo. So it's hard to say the Canes are "finding spots".

We've seen no information on his salary ask. In fact, most of the reports have said it wasn't about money, but about fit.

Which is 100% within his rights within the CBA

Assumption that this is simply about UFA status in 2 years and not about being happy where he's playing. Of course salary is always a consideration, but so is the satisfaction of contributing to the team's success.

Yep. Agree. If the Canes don't get the return they want, he'll be under their control for 2 more years. He and his agent know that. If he doesn't want to sign an extension with a team the Canes are trying to trade him to, he'll remain a Hurricane.

Agree. But he doesn't have to sign ANY deal with ANY team the Canes decide to trade him to.

He's never really been pushed down the line-up. If young players come in and perform better than him, then that will be a good problem for Carolina.

Yep.

We know of 1 potential deal so far from legit source. The rest of this is your speculation.

Correct. I suspect when/if he's traded, the return will be underwhelming, extension or not.

Agreed with all of this except for one part. The year Jarvis joined the team was a disappointing year for Necas. He had played well the year before but he ended up with about the same pts. Jarvis arrived from day one as someone who took care of the puck better than Necas does. It felt like Jarvis got Necas’ spot which led to Necas being spread out around the lineup as a result. I remember saying and very much believing at the time that Jarvis had pushed Necas down the lineup.

Otherwise everything else I agree with 100%. We don’t know why it didn’t happen with Cbus, and some posters assumptions about Necas’ desire to play in a wide open system with no defensive responsibilities and he’s just trying to make more money are not only baseless and wildly speculative, they go against things we have heard from reputable people who have said it wasn’t about money. It’s about fit.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Agreed with all of this except for one part. The year Jarvis joined the team was a disappointing year for Necas. He had played well the year before but he ended up with about the same pts. Jarvis arrived from day one as someone who took care of the puck better than Necas does. It felt like Jarvis got Necas’ spot which led to Necas being spread out around the lineup as a result. I remember saying and very much believing at the time that Jarvis had pushed Necas down the lineup.

No argument. Those were weird times with Covid and short seasons but the addition of Jarvis certainly affected roles. The following year, with Jarvis 2nd year on the team, Necas had his best season with 71 points.

Either way, Necas was a top6 guy for the most part all of those seasons.

Otherwise everything else I agree with 100%. We don’t know why it didn’t happen with Cbus, and some posters assumptions about Necas’ desire to play in a wide open system with no defensive responsibilities and he’s just trying to make more money are not only baseless and wildly speculative, they go against things we have heard from reputable people who have said it wasn’t about money. It’s about fit.

Agree.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

“I don’t think I want to sign a long term deal here right now and would be open to a trade.”

“Ok, well, we can send you to Columbus but you’d have to sign an 8-year deal for us to make it work.”

“Well, no thanks, because Columbus sucks.”


Fans: “there’s simply no pleasing this man!”

 

[chaz4hockey]

The NHLPA literally worked out the contract. Unions are inherently socialist.

Perhaps in government but in sports unions don’t demand equal income though defined pay grades. They are a hybrid where there are folks at the top that earn mega $ and then others that earn much less.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

“I don’t think I want to sign a long term deal here right now and would be open to a trade.”

“Ok, well, we can send you to Columbus but you’d have to sign an 8-year deal for us to make it work.”

“Well, no thanks, because Columbus sucks.”


Fans: “there’s no pleasing this man!”

The problem is that the teams he’d probably prefer to be traded to A: don’t have the assets to acquire him at a price Carolina would accept and B: likely wouldn’t give him the role he believes he should have. There’s a reason why Carolina tried to deal with Columbus and allegedly Winnipeg and Buffalo. They have the assets to acquire him and (at the times of the alleged proposals) the roles available that he was apparently looking for.

Ultimately, since he likely wouldn’t sign a long term deal with any team except those that couldn’t realistically make an offer that Carolina would accept, his trade request was a pointless exercise.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The problem is that the teams he’d probably prefer to be traded to A: don’t have the assets to acquire him at a price Carolina would accept and B: likely wouldn’t give him the role he believes he should have. There’s a reason why Carolina tried to deal with Columbus and allegedly Winnipeg and Buffalo. They have the assets to acquire him and (at the times of the alleged proposals) the roles available that he was apparently looking for.

Ultimately, since he likely wouldn’t sign a long term deal with any team except those that couldn’t realistically make an offer that Carolina would accept, his trade request was a pointless exercise.

Other than CLB, what teams? Don't give me some random "Canes insider" twitter account with less than 200 followers about WPG. And we've never heard anything about what Buffalo may, or may not have offered.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Other than CLB, what teams? Don't give me some random "Canes insider" twitter account with less than 200 followers about WPG. And we've never heard anything about what Buffalo may, or may not have offered.

Hence why I said allegedly Winnipeg or Buffalo.

Carolina is going to try and get the best offer they can for Necas, which involves a deal that comes attached with a long-term signing. The teams with the best assets for such a deal are those who are not currently contenders. They're also the ones that are most likely to have a spot on their roster that would match the increased role that Necas is apparently looking for.

Necas, understandably, doesn't want to sign a long-term deal with a non-contender. I imagine he (like most hockey players) would want to win the Cup and a trade to another contender keeps his chances high. Unfortunately, teams such as those don't usually have a comparable offer worth a long-term signed Necas, nor do they usually have a role available much different than what Carolina is offering to him.

Thus, the two sides are at a standstill, because they want different things that come from opposite sources and neither side seems to want to compromise. And if that's the case, anyone could have seen this standstill coming from a mile away, which again, makes the trade request pointless. If neither side compromises, the only option is to play out the remainder of his contract, and that's been the only option from the beginning.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Hence why I said allegedly Winnipeg or Buffalo.

You used those two teams as a basis of your entire argument. So you are using suspect information to support your argument. Saying 'allegedly' doesn't change that.

Carolina is going to try and get the best offer they can for Necas, which involves a deal that comes attached with a long-term signing. The teams with the best assets for such a deal are those who are not currently contenders. They're also the ones that are most likely to have a spot on their roster that would match the increased role that Necas is apparently looking for.

Necas, understandably, doesn't want to sign a long-term deal with a non-contender. I imagine he (like most hockey players) would want to win the Cup and a trade to another contender keeps his chances high. Unfortunately, teams such as those don't usually have a comparable offer worth a long-term signed Necas, nor do they usually have a role available much different than what Carolina is offering to him.

Thus, the two sides are at a standstill, because they want different things that come from opposite sources and neither side seems to want to compromise. And if that's the case, anyone could have seen this standstill coming from a mile away, which again, makes the trade request pointless. If neither side compromises, the only option is to play out the remainder of his contract, and that's been the only option from the beginning.

no disagreement.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

You used those two teams as a basis of your entire argument. So you are using suspect information to support your argument. Saying 'allegedly' doesn't change that.

no disagreement.

I used those two teams as possible examples of the non-contenders mentioned in the post you didn't disagree with. I chose those two teams because rumors swirled around Necas and those two teams. If it helps, you can replace them with Chicago, Ottawa or Minnesota, but I've not seen anything that might connect Necas to those 3.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I used those two teams as possible examples of the non-contenders mentioned in the post you didn't disagree with. I chose those two teams because rumors swirled around Necas and those two teams. If it helps, you can replace them with Chicago, Ottawa or Minnesota, but I've not seen anything that might connect Necas to those 3.

No, it doesn't help. You are picking and choosing teams at random to support the notion that he won't extend (ie...wouldnt give him the role).

You are making assumptions without data to back up those assumptions.

 

[Satzmann666]

We do not know for sure he has actually requested to be traded, however I do believe it was one of the options provided in the post season discussion with the team about his expectations for the future.
We do not know what kind of additional preferences he provided regarding potential trade (contract expectations, teams he would sign with long term, teams he wouldn't sign with under any circumstances).
We do not know what kind of extensions were offered to Necas as part of those rumored trades with CBJ, Sabres and Jets.
It could have easily been that the Canes just tried to force trades conditioned by extensions they knew were going against his preferences, expecting him to change his mind for whatever reason.

 

[mikeyfan]

I realize Kadri is 33 years old, but would the Canes consider trading Necas for Kadri if Kadri waived his NTC. 7 M cap hit through 2029..

 

[spockBokk]

I realize Kadri is 33 years old, but would the Canes consider trading Necas for Kadri if Kadri waived his NTC. 7 M cap hit through 2029..

Oh my word…

Someone doesn’t pay attention to the main board…

 

[MinJaBen]

I realize Kadri is 33 years old, but would the Canes consider trading Necas for Kadri if Kadri waived his NTC. 7 M cap hit through 2029..

That would would have to come with max retention from the Flames plus some other very good things.

 

[Chrispy]

I realize Kadri is 33 years old, but would the Canes consider trading Necas for Kadri if Kadri waived his NTC. 7 M cap hit through 2029..

Tulsky wrote the book on projection of decline in the mid 30s. There’s 0 chance he would acquire a 7M 34 year old (turns 34 before next season) signed through his age 38 season.

If you’re lucky he’s on LTIR at the end. Otherwise it’s an anchor of a contract and even a buyout is at least $2M a season.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Kadri would require 25-33% retain and we basically give up a 2nd and a couple of meh prospects/players. Other than that 3 seasons of declining production is of little to no interest. His last 2 seasons are almost untradeable too.

 

[whiskers]

Kadri would require 25-33% retain and we basically give up a 2nd and a couple of meh prospects/players. Other than that 3 seasons of declining production is of little to no interest. His last 2 seasons are almost untradeable too.

No thanks how many times do we need to get burnt by ex. Maple Leaf players and other Canadian team , rather keep Necas even hid dad and GF are unhappy and trade him next year maybe by then Brady will demand a trade as Sens dont make the playoffs once again

 

[hblueridgegal]

Based on comments from Cory L.

 

[apollo18]

feel like he should be on first with aho, they are electric rn

 

[Svechhammer]

Necas does this every year with a hot streak

We need to see him do it for an entire season

 

[apollo18]

awfully quiet

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

awfully quiet

Aren't you the poster that back in October in other threads predicted that Necas would probably be the first big trade this year, and that he wasn't a guy that meshes with anyone on the team?

 

[Borsig]

The sad thing is, I dont think Nachos is every going to be a cane beyond one more year. We are still at an impasse.

And if we burn that next year down and get nothing? Oof. Poor poor asset management.

 

[Svechhammer]

awfully quiet

Well, we've seen Necas get hot for stretches before, so while we are all very happy to see him playing like this to begin the season, we're also waiting for the fall back down to Earth.

The sad thing is, I dont think Nachos is every going to be a cane beyond one more year. We are still at an impasse.

And if we burn that next year down and get nothing? Oof. Poor poor asset management.

I mean if he keeps this up all season, I could definitely see the Canes looking to extend him. Our problem with him has never been that we didn't recognize his talent, its that we've been frustrated that his play has been so inconsistent over the course of a season, and when things start to sputter for him, he tends to spiral by trying to do too much to overcome the struggles. If he truly does show his development has taken him past that point, I have no doubt in the world we'll look to extend him for max years at a competitive rate.