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While I defend his right to use the leverage he has to nix trades, it's not like there was no attempt made to move him. It just didn't work out on all sides and he was part of that.
Yeah like players being part in the trades just who do these guys think they are!?While I defend his right to use the leverage he has to nix trades, it's not like there was no attempt made to move him. It just didn't work out on all sides and he was part of that.
When you're the one who asks for a trade...Yeah like players being part in the trades just who do these guys think they are!?
....you still retain all the rights afforded to you in the CBA.When you're the one who asks for a trade...
When you ask for something and the team tries to work with you to give you want you asked for, you kinda have a practical and ethical obligation to work with them if you actually want the thing you say you want.....you still retain all the rights afforded to you in the CBA.
You can want multiple things. You can want to have more responsibility and also want to be on a better team, and you can want to test free agency if that combination of things doesn't work out.When you ask for something and the team tries to work with you to give you want you asked for, you have to work with them if you actually want the thing you say you want.
And you can be within your legal rights and still be a total turd.
I'm still astonished that you guys feel Necas should be obligated to sign a long term deal with anyone the team wants to trade him to just because he asked for a trade. It's mind boggling to think a player needs to do that.When you ask for something and the team tries to work with you to give you want you asked for, you kinda have a practical and ethical obligation to work with them if you actually want the thing you say you want.
And you can be within your legal rights and still be a total turd. My way or the highway doesn't win many friends.
Now you are just making stuff up.Oh, and Necas is always going to be unhappy with his career as long as he deludes himself about being a big star when he isn't and isn't willing to play the type of hockey it takes to get there.
The NHLPA literally worked out the contract. Unions are inherently socialist.You can want multiple things. You can want to have more responsibility and also want to be on a better team, and you can want to test free agency if that combination of things doesn't work out.
Honestly, it's all f***ing socialist. Americans seem to despise socialism in their government, but demand it in their sports. Players should be free agents from the day they announce their desire to play in a pro league.
How many player profiles have we seen where his friends talk about how much Necas thinks he can be a star and is being misused? It's an incredibly persistent theme in basically all media about Necas. And it's not just random people speculating, it's his closest friends like Mrazek saying that's what he thinks. They think that mindset is a positive. I see it in a much darker light, but ultimately, I'm not saying anything his closest friends haven't said. Necas thinks very highly of his own talent and does not seem to see that the things holding his career back could possibly be his own failings. He's a 20 something, is that really so shocking?Now you are just making stuff up.
I don't think I've seen one that where it says Necas thinks he can be star or wants to be treated like the best player on the team (paraphrasing what someone said a week or so ago). Misused? Yes, definitely. Not a fit for the system? Also yes.How many player profiles have we seen where his friends talk about how much Necas thinks he can be a star and is being misused? It's an incredibly persistent theme in basically all media about Necas.
The business doesn't work that you have to sign with ANY team the team wants to trade you to. It never has or never does. That's the point. Hanifin only wanted to sign with certain teams during the deadline. Tkachuck wasn't going to sign with any team when he left Calgary. Trouba wanted to be traded and only to NYR (from WPG), etc..etc... There are countless examples of players without trade protection using leverage to go where they want to go. Players do this ALL the time and that's how the business works these days. It's not being a "turd", it's exercising your rights allowed in the CBA.As for the sign and trade, that's how the business works these days. Love the system or hate the system, but if he wants out, that's the f***ing path you get unless you want to wait 2 years. The Canes will give him a trade, but that's what a trade looks like.
In all fairness, I believe it was Jarvis who said (toward the end of last season), that Marty was the most talented player on the team. Rod, in his podcast appearance with Ovies et al also highlighted how talented he was and only knew that he thought he had a bit more to give.Necas thinks very highly of his own talent and does not seem to see that the things holding his career back could possibly be his own failings. He's a 20 something, is that really so shocking?
Yeah Rod pretty much said he’s the most talented guy and said that’s why he’s tough on him. Said he’s Necas’ biggest fan, and that it’s like having a kid you know has another level to give and you push him to find it. All these guys saying it about him aren’t doing it because Necas is asking them to. He crushed it at the worlds, and all the guys on that team or those who would watch it closely because they care about it know what he’s capable of if they didn’t already.In all fairness, I believe it was Jarvis who said (toward the end of last season), that Marty was the most talented player on the team. Rod, in his podcast appearance with Ovies et al also highlighted how talented he was and only knew that he thought he had a bit more to give.
So Necas isn't the only one who thinks highly of his talent level.
The problem is that the system simply does not accommodate those kinds of mistakes.I think we've all said at times that, even with Aho and Svech, Necas is really the only guy on the team with truly "game-breaking" talent...it's just getting the most out of that talent WITHOUT the costly turnovers that brings him down a few notches to most. He has insane speed, can dangle, can draw off defenders, can shoot, but damn if he doesn't get that horrible tunnel vision that leads to a horrendous turnover-odd-man-rush-GA so often. Is it a "system" fit issue? Or is it just Necas not knowing how to get rid of tunnel vision? Maybe he'll never thrive in our "system" and would elsewhere, or maybe he'd be exactly the same player. As long as we don't lose our ass on a trade, I'm good either keeping him or trying something new
And we'll keep doing until the day we finally defeat and remove the parasite owners and their monopoly of the fruits of players' laborHonestly, it's all f***ing socialist. Americans seem to despise socialism in their government, but demand it in their sports. Players should be free agents from the day they announce their desire to play in a pro league
And we'll keep doing until the day we finally defeat and remove the parasite owners and their monopoly of the fruits of players' labor
The rumors aren't saying that though.My only issue is that the rumors and commentary are saying that he doesn’t want to sign a long term deal with the trade partners because he doesn’t know what the long term outlook is for those teams…… yet getting to UFA and taking a 7 year for the most money is not picking the team with the best fit or long term success possibilities… it’s just picking which team you want pretty blindly as no one really knows where a team is going to be 7 years from now…. Arizona a year ago sure looks different today with a new billionaire owner willing to spend….
Again, your assumption. If he indeed is saying he won't sign with more teams than CLB, then he's simply exercising the leverage he has. RFAs do this all the time. He doesn't get full control, but he has some control.It’s talking outside of both sides of your mouth to avoid saying the real reason….
Wants to completely dictate everything and pick the spot…. With two years of team control left, you aren’t a UFA yet… so you don’t get full control….
The only credible rumor we've seen is CLB at draft day and that Buffalo was interested at the draft, but there was no real information on the make-up of a trade with Buffalo. So it's hard to say the Canes are "finding spots".Canes are finding spots that a) want him badly, b) are willing to sign him long term to show their commitment to him, c) are willing to give him the opportunities he says he wants, d) in a couple of rumored landing spots would also play more of the style of hockey he says he needs to show himself in the best light and e) are wanting him to help push their team to the next level of success they think he can provide..
We've seen no information on his salary ask. In fact, most of the reports have said it wasn't about money, but about fit.He wants full control to get paid a lot now
Which is 100% within his rights within the CBAwithout any long term commitment,
Assumption that this is simply about UFA status in 2 years and not about being happy where he's playing. Of course salary is always a consideration, but so is the satisfaction of contributing to the team's success.but be in a spot where he can play wide open and score more without any defensive responsibilities so his agent can try to use his higher point totals in a vacuum to then have his UFA choice to try to cash in again.
Yep. Agree. If the Canes don't get the return they want, he'll be under their control for 2 more years. He and his agent know that. If he doesn't want to sign an extension with a team the Canes are trying to trade him to, he'll remain a Hurricane.All well and good to want it, but he won’t get it because that doesn’t get enough of a return to the Canes to give up the two years of remaining team control.
Agree. But he doesn't have to sign ANY deal with ANY team the Canes decide to trade him to.He doesn’t have to sign a deal as part of the trade. But that’s the only way he is leaving us in the next couple seasons as it isn’t worth it to us otherwise.
He's never really been pushed down the line-up. If young players come in and perform better than him, then that will be a good problem for Carolina.So he can play ball with us a bit or he can play a couple more seasons of us demanding he play defense and getting pushed down the lineup as other prospects and signings get ice time ahead of him and have it hurt his point totals for that UFA deal in 2 years.
Yep.He has rights and the team has rights. Sounds like the team has tried to do right by the player and honor his wishes but the team isn’t going to just give him away and lose value in the deal. Stalemate for now and he remains here until something changes with either sides stances….
We know of 1 potential deal so far from legit source. The rest of this is your speculation.We are doing things different with Necas than the Tkachuk situation. Tkachuk gave Calgary a list of teams that he would sign an extension with. Calgary went to get the best deal with those clubs. Tkachuk was enough of a star there was always going to be enough of a return to satisfy Calgary from someone on that list and Florida beat even what they expected to get back. We don’t appear to have asked Necas for a list of teams he will sign an extension with. We are trying to find a set of teams that will offer us what we feel is enough return to give up the player. Not many fit the bill of having the resources we would want, even in 3 way deals. Those that do have what we would accept are getting nixed by Necas.
Correct. I suspect when/if he's traded, the return will be underwhelming, extension or not.So Necas not enough of a talent to get superstar crazy return and has to be right fit for trading partner. I don’t see anyone offering a 100+ point forward, a high end right shot dman and other picks and prospects for Necas…… if he was that level of player maybe we would have done what Calgary did with Tkachuk and used that approach…,
And we'll keep doing until the day we finally defeat and remove the parasite owners and their monopoly of the fruits of players' labor