NCAA Hockey Expansion Thread

[CrazyEddie20]

I'm struggling with the source context here: How does the bold part above figure into the point of your post AND into the current standing of "Augustana, Lindenwood, or any other DII school" pursuing a DI hockey program?

If they had been operating a Division I hockey program in 2010-11, then they can continue doing so. They cannot start a Division I hockey program while all other sports are Division II after the 2010-11 academic year.

 

[JMCx4]

A full minute of him saying things while saying nothing new at all.

You clearly didn't click the "Full episode" link. More than just a minute.

 

[CrazyEddie20]

You clearly didn't click the "Full episode" link. More than just a minute.

Sorry, 10 minutes where he says nothing new.

 

[Major4Boarding]

Let’s stick to the actual topic

 

[CrazyEddie20]

A point of clarification: the DoE's Office of Civil Rights doesn't investigate schools sua sponte for violations of Title IX. There has to be a complaint made to them that a school is not in compliance, THEN the OCR will investigate and, potentially, monitor and step in and oversee a school's athletic department until it is in compliance.

The other way a school can be forced into compliance is through federal court. An affected student has a private right of action against a school in violation of Title IX.

The OCR isn't sitting there counting up numbers for every school and dictating what schools do. If they did, a lot more schools (by my guess, 80-plus percent of colleges and universities can't pass the three-pronged test) would be forced into compliance.

 

[JMCx4]

Let’s stick to the actual topic

Yessir.

 

[S E P H]

A full minute of him saying things while saying nothing new at all.

It's pretty much a market campaign to get the programme in the open and try to secure more outside funds by going to the media. Even CNN made a story about it...

 

[CrazyEddie20]

It's pretty much a market campaign to get the programme in the open and try to secure more outside funds by going to the media. Even CNN made a story about it...

They have no program - merely the idea of one. To actually start a program, they'd literally need to raise funds equal to a significant fraction of the school's endowment.

The disappointing thing is that no one in the real media asked them tough questions so far. NHL.com and such are PR vehicles for the league, which obviously looks good trying to partner with an HBCU to "start a hockey program" at a time where a lot of hockey's dirty, racist laundry is being aired. How much money will it take? Put a number on it. How much money have you raised so far? How much money has the NHL committed to the effort? The Predators? Tennessee State? TSU Alums?

 

[JMCx4]

It's pretty much a market campaign to get the programme in the open and try to secure more outside funds by going to the media. Even CNN made a story about it...

The underlying motivation is compelling. It's use to promote an ice hockey program simply isn't. The school & its supporters need a hard sell, not a soft peddle.

 

[CrazyEddie20]

The underlying motivation is compelling. It's use to promote an ice hockey program simply isn't. The school & its supporters need a hard sell, not a soft peddle.

The underlying motivation is PR for the NHL, which is compelling to the NHL and to its apologists.

 

[CrazyEddie20]

Chicago Tribune on the ESPN Hat Salesman's "Done Deal" program:

Is Illinois ice hockey still in the works? Are athletes required to get vaccinated? 4 takeaways from AD Josh Whitman’s annual roundtable.

TLDR: They didn't have the money then, they don't have the money now, they need to see if the donors who pledged money are still interested.

Read between the lines: It was never a done deal.

 

[CrazyEddie20]

It's the fourth anniversary of the Illinois press conference - hilariously, they showed a conceptual drawing of the inside of a rink with a 2022 NCAA Championship banner.

The "done deal" talk was about as spot-on as that guy who said the St. Charles Chill would be around for years.

 

[JMCx4]

... The "done deal" talk was about as spot-on as that guy who said the St. Charles Chill would be around for years.

You mean they're NOT??? Who do I contact to get my 10-year season ticket deposited back?

 

[CrazyEddie20]

You mean they're NOT??? Who do I contact to get my 10-year season ticket deposited back?

Ask Randall Ritchey - he's the one who made that claim...

 

[JMCx4]

Ask Randall Ritchey - he's the one who made that claim...

Hockey bloggers are tied for last with hockey board posters on my personal list of Most Trusted People. Present company excepted, of course.

 

[mk80]

It's the fourth anniversary of the Illinois press conference - hilariously, they showed a conceptual drawing of the inside of a rink with a 2022 NCAA Championship banner.

The "done deal" talk was about as spot-on as that guy who said the St. Charles Chill would be around for years.

The Chill are still the champions of having social distanced crowds

 

[JMCx4]

The Chill are still the champions of having social distanced crowds

They were ahead of their time ... in more ways than one ...

 

[sbkbghockey]

If they had been operating a Division I hockey program in 2010-11, then they can continue doing so. They cannot start a Division I hockey program while all other sports are Division II after the 2010-11 academic year.

20.8.2 and 20.8.2.1 Are correct, A D2 school like Augustana, Lindenwood (or any of the NE10 schools if they actually wanted to get serious about men’s hockey) could declare intention to compete for the DI hockey championship since there’s no D2 national championship sponsored by the NCAA. 20.4.1.1 grandfathering in multidivisional classification is about situations like Dallas Baptist- a D2 school playing up at D1 baseball despite an active NCAA D2 baseball championship. DBU has sponsored DI baseball since 2004 so they're grandfathered in per 20.4.1.

 

[Hollywood3]

I really don't follow US university hockey very closely but I find the discussion interesting. FWIW I have long advocated the NHL pumping resources (dollars and otherwise) into university hockey.

BTW, is the NAIA getting back into nation-wide hockey? I heard they were contemplating reviving their national tournament.

 

[Barclay Donaldson]

I really don't follow US university hockey very closely but I find the discussion interesting. FWIW I have long advocated the NHL pumping resources (dollars and otherwise) into university hockey.

BTW, is the NAIA getting back into nation-wide hockey? I heard they were contemplating reviving their national tournament.

They tried and it failed. Most of the schools that made up the Wolverine-Hoosier Conference of the NAIA had ACHA teams at different levels. They left the ACHA to join the five or so NAIA teams that competed independently. They only lasted one year before the Wolverine-Hoosier Conference rejoined the ACHA M1 level as a full conference. They technically held a NAIA national tournament, but I wouldn't call those 12 teams competing a "national tournament" by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[mk80]

I really don't follow US university hockey very closely but I find the discussion interesting. FWIW I have long advocated the NHL pumping resources (dollars and otherwise) into university hockey.

BTW, is the NAIA getting back into nation-wide hockey? I heard they were contemplating reviving their national tournament.

There were some NAIA schools that briefly did there own championship, as essentially a separate division of the ACHA, but they all have since come back into ACHA D1 play or in the case of Lindenwood-Belleville the campus was closed.

Edit: @Barclay Donaldson beat me to it by a minute

 

[Barclay Donaldson]

There were some NAIA schools that briefly did there own championship, as essentially a separate division of the ACHA, but they all have since come back into ACHA D1 play or in the case of Lindenwood-Belleville the campus was closed.

Edit: @Barclay Donaldson beat me to it by a minute

 

[JMCx4]

Seamore Sports weighed in on this topic ... Opinion: Men’s College Hockey needs more conferences-Here’s Why

 

[Barclay Donaldson]

Seamore Sports weighed in on this topic ... Opinion: Men’s College Hockey needs more conferences-Here’s Why

The title of that article should be "Opinion: Men's College Hockey needs more teams." The title and the idea behind it are based entirely on the hypothetical belief that college hockey will add 5-6 new members within a year or two, most of which aren't even in the realm of possibility.

 

[JMCx4]

The title of that article should be "Opinion: Men's College Hockey needs more teams." The title and the idea behind it are based entirely on the hypothetical belief that college hockey will add 5-6 new members within a year or two, most of which aren't even in the realm of possibility.

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