NCAA Hockey Expansion Thread
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Well.....I was using them as an example for Lindenwood to get on the local map if they want to be big time.
Are you and crazyeddie always this douchey ?
JMCx4
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JMCx4
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CrazyEddie20
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If you invest and promote your program as being "big-time," people will perceive you as that eventually - especially if you win.
Whether Lindenwood has the wherewithal to do that remains to be seen, considering they can't seem to find the rubber stamp. It'd be a considerable investment on top of operational expenses to start buying radio airtime, producing TV games for an RSN and streaming, and mounting a serious ad campaign.
mk80
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Lindenwood did have a deal with 101 ESPN radio in the 2017 and 2018 football seasons, I believe it was to include the 2019 season, but 101 ESPN got the Blues games starting that year and so that ended that deal. Outside of those seasons games for football and basketball are on the university's owned and operated radio station 89.1 FM The Wood.
Other sports are broadcast from time to time on 89.1. At the very least, if there wasn't a deal made made with another station, all games for an NCAA D1 men's hockey team should be broadcast on The Wood. Many NCAA teams do have their games on their respective university stations so it wouldn't be deviating too much from what other programs have. Also 89.1 also has an HD2 station that is available online, and for those that do have the capability to pick up HD2 radio in their cars.
I doubt you would see any games on Fox Sports Midwest though.
Other sports are broadcast from time to time on 89.1. At the very least, if there wasn't a deal made made with another station, all games for an NCAA D1 men's hockey team should be broadcast on The Wood. Many NCAA teams do have their games on their respective university stations so it wouldn't be deviating too much from what other programs have. Also 89.1 also has an HD2 station that is available online, and for those that do have the capability to pick up HD2 radio in their cars.
I doubt you would see any games on Fox Sports Midwest though.
CrazyEddie20
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I think a campus station would be a start, sure, but if you want to be profitable, you have to promote to the metro area. To promote to the metro area, you need a station that reaches the metro area. And if you don't get games telecast at minimum on local cable, you might as well stay at the club level. They'll never break even or make money, and they'll only contribute further financial losses to an already money-losing athletic program.
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CrazyEddie20
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Stupid move. Nothing spends as much money for as little good PR as Division III football.
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Based on the quotes in the official school announcement it seems football is the centerpiece to grow their student body by expanding athletics. Hilbert to Add Three Athletic Programs
Keeping things on the women's hockey side of things.
Some comments from College Hockey America (/AHA/NEWHA) commissioner on getting back to 6 teams. And comments on the Robert Morris situation in relation to the women's side of things
https://www.uscho.com/2021/11/18/nc...ting-in-2023-24-says-commissioner-degregorio/
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SemireliableSource
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Let's say you have a roster that's about 100 deep. Even if you have 30 receiving some sort of academic scholarship. You have 70 that will be paying tuition. That's $1,710,450 a year at the current tuition.
CrazyEddie20
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That's true, although insurance and future liability for injuries incurred in what is probably the single most injurious sport in human history should, in theory, balance that out. But you know, what is a college without football? Merely an educational institution.
JMCx4
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The University of Arizona ACHA team will be based out of a new sports complex in 2024 with a 3,000 seat arena.
Arizona men’s ice hockey to move to new home in 2024
It will be “designed to allow for dedicated locker rooms, coach’s offices, film review facilities and additional, flex space.” They currently play out of a convention center with thousands of seats, but it lacks practice ice, many typical amenities, and priority scheduling now that an AHL team plays there. No speculation here, just an observation.
Arizona men’s ice hockey to move to new home in 2024
It will be “designed to allow for dedicated locker rooms, coach’s offices, film review facilities and additional, flex space.” They currently play out of a convention center with thousands of seats, but it lacks practice ice, many typical amenities, and priority scheduling now that an AHL team plays there. No speculation here, just an observation.
3K seems like quite a lot for a ACHA team, right? I am wonder if they're planing to eventually go DI in the future? Seems they have had a pretty successful club team like Penn State, but I might be mistaken.
Barclay Donaldson
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There is precedent for having a decently sized arena for a club team. Liberty has a 4,000 seater on campus and they are comfortably in the ACHA for the mid-to-long term future. URI also has a 3,000 seater on campus and they're never going NCAA. Ohio University, University of Illinois, both play in 2,000 seat arenas with standing room for more, and they're both not going NCAA D1 in the near future.
The University of Arizona hockey team will hold a news conference this Friday to announce that the Mosaic Quarter Iceplex will host the team's home games beginning in 2024. Speakers include University of Arizona President Robert C. Robbins, Dean of Students Kendal Washington White, UArizona hockey head coach Chad Berman and Frank Knott, president of Knott Development and developer of the Mosaic Quarter.
I suppose it’s still a big deal, but those are some awfully important people attending a press conference to discuss the club team.
They will also announce the creation of an ACHA men’s D2 team, ACHA women’s D1 team, and a sled hockey team.
Media Advisory: UArizona Hockey to Play at New Iceplex in 2024
I suppose it’s still a big deal, but those are some awfully important people attending a press conference to discuss the club team.
They will also announce the creation of an ACHA men’s D2 team, ACHA women’s D1 team, and a sled hockey team.
Media Advisory: UArizona Hockey to Play at New Iceplex in 2024
I forgot to mention if the arena is for other sports besides hockey and it seems that it might be based on my preliminary readings.
What issues does URI have from going DI?
JMCx4
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Yeah, but then he'll go too far into the abyss of "college hockey cannot work anywhere anymore" brigade, which is not true by any means.There's never an @CrazyEddie20 around when you need one.
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The concept art of it looks great, I would like one detail clarified that I haven't seen yet, in that article it says Arizona will the rights to use Rink 1. So is that 3,000 seat capacity for that ice sheet alone, or is the 3,000 seat capacity 3 rinks with 1,000 bleacher seats each down one side?
Either way it is nice to see the school making an investment into their hockey program whether they would eventually ice an NCAA program or stay in the ACHA.
The same statement said about arenas in terms of minor league hockey expansion can be said about collegiate hockey in that just because a suitable arena exists, doesn't mean a school would become an NCAA program.
Up until this move Arizona has played at the Tuscon Convention Center since before the arrival of the AHL Roadrunners. Which would certainly be considered one of the nicest arenas in ACHA hockey.
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Barclay Donaldson
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Lack of money. They don't get a ton of money from the state to put into athletics. All their NCAA D1 programs suffer from lack of investment and are run on a shoe string budget. Their performances, or lack thereof, are reflected in this. They can barely operate what they already have and are more likely to cut programs than add more. They looked at adding NCAA D1 hockey in the early 2000s when they built their Boss Rink and then again in the early 2010s. They determined both times they completely lack the financial ability to support a NCAA D1 men's hockey program, let alone whatever actions they would need to take to stay Title IX compliant.
Penn State has a much greater financial ability and it still took Pegula writing a $102M check to make a team happen. If that is what it takes to get Penn State a team, you can imagine what it would take to get URI a team. That is just the reality of the situation.
