National dream teams since 2000
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So performances with the national team, but Trezeguet was also the best scorer in Italy - so therefore he makes it?That is some special kind of argument - unless you are talking about France´s away games played in Italy.
I don't mind Pogba. I think he gets too much flak, but Kante is obviously a better player. So were players like Makelele. A World Cup run and a game against Germany won't change that for me. And it is not like he would be the leader in that group. It is packed with far better leaders than Pogba will ever be.
Anyway. This is a bit like trying to agree to who was the better player of Gerrard or Lampard. Messi or C. Ronaldo. People will never come to any sort of agreement on this.
For you Trezeguet and Pogba would obviously be included. For me they wouldn't - and not even close.
Trez produced everywhere he played, that was my point. With the NT also.
Pogba is a far better player than Makelele (not even close) and is one of the all time best leaders for France. You should get informed on his leadership role with the NT because quite clearly you don't know about it.
And Pogba was a key player in a WC run but that doesn't count somehow?
Who did better exactly?
As I said he was on par with Henry when Domenech changed the formation to start average player like Malouda.
So that Stat isn't even telling of how producing he was before Domenech ruined his NT career.
Of course it counts, but about as much as Forlan or Diouf having fantastic tournaments without being world class players for that reason.
Fine. If you believe players like Viera, Henry, Zidane, Blanc etc. would be following Pogba then there really isn't anything I can say that would make you change your mind is it?
Fine. If you believe players like Viera, Henry, Zidane, Blanc etc. would be following Pogba then there really isn't anything I can say that would make you change your mind is it?
Rooney Owen
Lampard
Scholes Gerrard
Hargreaves
Cole Ferdinand Terry G.Neville
Hart
Pretty much the 04-06 team. Owen probably makes more sense tactically than Kane.Lampard
Scholes Gerrard
Hargreaves
Cole Ferdinand Terry G.Neville
Hart
RB could be Trippier because of WC '18.
It's weird really because Henry and ZZ were never leaders. Pogba is easily a better leader.
Deschamps and Blanc were.
Not what I said. Again. If you believe those players would be led by Pogba then there is nothing I can say to change your mind. That is a team with exceptional characters in it - more or less all of them. Don't think for a second that Pogba would somehow be the leader. Might even be why he was so good at Juventus as well- he was following others.
And this isn't me criticising Pogba. For whatever reason that seems to become an emotional topic quite often. I like Pogba. He seems like a great guy. Doesn't mean I think he should be in the French dream team over the last 20 years.
And this isn't me criticising Pogba. For whatever reason that seems to become an emotional topic quite often. I like Pogba. He seems like a great guy. Doesn't mean I think he should be in the French dream team over the last 20 years.
Duchene2MacKinnon
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Funny I was just talking to my friend the yesterday asking him who should be their next captain. He suggested Varane, I said it should be Pogba. Lol
Even in youth ranks? Being the "natural leader" among players a couple of years young/older than you doesn't automatically make you a natural leader for some of the greatest players in the world over the last 20 years. I also think it says something about his alleged leadership skills that they clearly do not transfer to England.
Anyway. We will never agree on this.
Anyway. We will never agree on this.
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Eye of Ra
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You learned well from Deschamps. 7 defensive minded and just 4 offensive players.
lizarazu is kind of offensive. as was sagnol.
Bure80
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You rank Pogba as defensive player?You learned well from Deschamps. 7 defensive minded and just 4 offensive players.
Not me.
cgf
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With Ballack’s impulses to push up into the box, I think having Basti sitting back in front of the back line would be more important than Kroos’s superior passing. But even with Lahm & Kimmich at FB we are awash with options for the 6 & 8
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Yes his counterpart of Spain 2008 was Xavi. Germany has Gündogan on the same postion.
Both are way more creative. Ofcourse less physical.
Eye of Ra
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cgf
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Because nobody is cooler than Max
Being serious, I have Havertz over Reus for the NT. Marco hit the higher peak, but he was never as good in possession as he was in space, while Kai is much more elegant/sophisticated. So if I was gunna swap anyone in, it would be Kai...but I just don't think anyone beats out Klose / Özil / Müller / Gnabry yet. In time, Kai could replace Klose or Gnabry, but not yet.
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Eye of Ra
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cgf
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Gündogan more creative than Pogba?
Ouch.
From what I have seen from Lloris at Spurs being more of a "leader" than him doesn't necessarily mean much in this context. I would never have argued that team would have been led by Lloris.
And that is not criticism of Lloris either. For a football player he seems to be far above average in intelligence. Intellectually you might follow him, but that is not necessarily the same as being a leader on the pitch and in a locker room.
And that is not criticism of Lloris either. For a football player he seems to be far above average in intelligence. Intellectually you might follow him, but that is not necessarily the same as being a leader on the pitch and in a locker room.
