National dream teams since 2000

[Bure80]

---------------------------Neuer
Lahm-------Boateng------------Hummels-------Gosens

------------------Kimmich---Ballack

-Schneider---------------Özil--------------Reus

---------------------------Klose

 

[cgf]

Gündogan more creative than Pogba?
Ouch.

The truth can hurt

 

[cgf]

---------------------------Neuer
Lahm-------Boateng------------Hummels-------Gosens

------------------Kimmich---Ballack

-Schneider---------------Özil--------------Reus

---------------------------Klose

Schneider & Reus were great, which is why I included them as honorable mentions, but I dunno if you can have a best of the 2000s NT without including Müller.

And Gosens is our best true LWB this century, but a) he's less impactful in a back 4 than he is in a back 3, and b) I couldn't justify putting Gosens in the lineup ahead of Schweinsteiger, Gundogan, Kroos, or Khedira; so had to put both Kimmich & Lahm at FB.

 

[Bure80]

Gündogan more creative than Pogba?
Ouch.

Last season
Goals
Gündogan 13 goals
Pogba 3 goals

Passes
Gündogan 1714
Pogba 1333

Cross accuracy %
Gündogan 30
Pogba 9

Gündogan is more involved in offensive as Pogba.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

France

Mbappe-Trezeguet-Henry
----------Zidane---------
----Pogba-Vieira------
Lizarazu-Desailly-Blanc-Thuram
-------Lloris----------

Bench : Kante, Anelka, Djorkaeff, Varane, Umtiti, Barthez, Griezmann, etc...

If basing just off performances for the NT (which I think we are?) I'd have Griezmann over Trezeguet, I think.

 

[Bure80]

Schneider & Reus were great, which is why I included them as honorable mentions, but I dunno if you can have a best of the 2000s NT without including Müller.

And Gosens is our best true LWB this century, but a) he's less impactful in a back 4 than he is in a back 3, and b) I couldn't justify putting Gosens in the lineup ahead of Schweinsteiger, Gundogan, Kroos, or Khedira; so had to put both Kimmich & Lahm at FB.

Thats my personal preference. I took Schneider over Müller because he is the technical superior player.
Gosens i put into the lineup, because i wanted Kimmich in MF.
I wanted a good mix of playmaking and scoring ability. Kimmich is obivously a stabilizer in midfield with a lot of creativity. So Ballack can go forward.

 

[Savi]

Daniel Van Buyten? Thomas Buffel?

Daniel Van Buyten was always nicknamed Daniel Van Blunder because of his many gaffes with the NT, although he did score some big goals and had a very good 2014 WC alongside Kompany just before he retired. He would at least be in the current squad, not in starting Line up though.

Buffel was a decent role player but in the end only had like 30 caps and never really did anything special for the NT. Of course his best days were the NT's darkest between 2002-2008 where we couldn't even beat the likes of Lithuania, Armenia and Kazakhstan anymore.

I did forget to mention one player, he would probably be Lukaku's backup right now and that's Emile Mpenza.

 

[Evilo]

From what I have seen from Lloris at Spurs being more of a "leader" than him doesn't necessarily mean much in this context. I would never have argued that team would have been led by Lloris.

And that is not criticism of Lloris either. For a football player he seems to be far above average in intelligence. Intellectually you might follow him, but that is not necessarily the same as being a leader on the pitch and in a locker room.

He talks rarely but when he does, everyone listens to him. You can also see that in the documentary when he gets mad at halftime of the final.

 

[Evilo]

The truth can hurt

It seems to hurt you

 

[Evilo]

Last season
Goals
Gündogan 13 goals
Pogba 3 goals

Passes
Gündogan 1714
Pogba 1333

Cross accuracy %
Gündogan 30
Pogba 9

Gündogan is more involved in offensive as Pogba.

That's awful arguing here.
Everyone knows Gündogan played false 9.
Pogba is much more creative than Gündogan.
Heck last week's game needs a replay at your house.

 

[Evilo]

If basing just off performances for the NT (which I think we are?) I'd have Griezmann over Trezeguet, I think.

Arguable but again not me.
Trez produced a lot before Domenech changed his system.
And in that system Trez is needed.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Arguable but again not me.
Trez produced a lot before Domenech changed his system.
And in that system Trez is needed.

This is fair, but I think there's a very solid case to be made that Griezmann's Euro2016 is the best individual tournament by a player in the 21st century, and he was obviously vital to the 2018 team as well.

 

[Bure80]

That's awful arguing here.
Everyone knows Gündogan played false 9.
Pogba is much more creative than Gündogan.
Heck last week's game needs a replay at your house.

France had 4 shots on the German goal. That are the fewest France had since data recording. Creativity is something different for me. Its alot easier to look good against advanced team too .

 

[cgf]

Thats my personal preference. I took Schneider over Müller because he is the technical superior player.
Gosens i put into the lineup, because i wanted Kimmich in MF.
I wanted a good mix of playmaking and scoring ability. Kimmich is obivously a stabilizer in midfield with a lot of creativity. So Ballack can go forward.

The white brazilian was certainly a magician with the ball and deserving of love. I just think Müller has to be in the 11 and with Mesut at the 10, that means fitting him in into one of the wide spots over Reus or Schneider.

I'm open to that last attacking spot going to any of Reus / Schneider / Gnabry / Havertz; I just feel like Gnabry has been the one consistent bright spot since his introduction to the NT and have a tough time ignoring his insane goal-rate.


I'm with you on wanting to balance Ballack's runs into the box with someone who can sit in front of the defense, that's why I went with Basti over Ilkay, Toni or LeGo...would be like a suped up version of Schweini-Khedira. But again my thinking wasn't about Gosens not being deserving it as much as me just having a hard time justifying Kimmich or Lahm in the midfield when the options there were even better than Gosens.

...though I am open to the argument that the greater importance of themidfield validates the downgrade from Schweinsteiger to Gosens.

 

[Evilo]

France had 4 shots on the German goal. That are the fewest France had since data recording. Creativity is something different for me. Its alot easier to look good against advanced team too .

Stats.
Pogba created the Hummels OG.
That is creativity.
Gündogan?


Yup.

 

[mattihp]

No team Canada or team USA?

 

[Bures Elbow]

What a team:

-------------------------Baia------------------------------
------Ricardo Carvalho-----Couto----------------------
Cancelo----------------------------------------Coentrao
-------------------------Pepe-------------------------------
-------------Deco------------------Rui Costa--------------
Bernardo Silva--------Ronaldo----------------------Figo

Pepe with his all action Dmid roles he used in all those El Classicos and Portugal around 2010-2012

Coentrao in his prime (2010-2014) before he started smoking and getting those injuries, where he kept Marcelo on the bench a lot.

Difficult decision between Miguel vs Cancelo because Miguel was just so good defensively, the only defender I've ever seen shut down prime Robben not once, but twice in 2004 then 2006 again.

 

[S E P H]

I would probably take Kroos over Schweinsteiger

Yeah, no to this. Schewein was one of the best BXB of his generation and one of the best ever. Kroos is lucky that he's able to be a starter for Real Madrid because no way would I take him at Arsenal or anybody with ambition. He's vanilla, able to eat to survive, but nothing beyond that.

 

[cgf]

Yeah, no to this. Schewein was one of the best BXB of his generation and one of the best ever. Kroos is lucky that he's able to be a starter for Real Madrid because no way would I take him at Arsenal or anybody with ambition. He's vanilla, able to eat to survive, but nothing beyond that.

oh S E P H

 

[Havre]

For longevity, it is difficult to argue against Kroos. Personally I preferred Schweinsteiger as I think he was a better player at his best.

 

[Eisen]

You learned well from Deschamps. 7 defensive minded and just 4 offensive players.

Deschamps has nothing on Jacquet regarding that.

 

[AB13]

Yeah, no to this. Schewein was one of the best BXB of his generation and one of the best ever. Kroos is lucky that he's able to be a starter for Real Madrid because no way would I take him at Arsenal or anybody with ambition. He's vanilla, able to eat to survive, but nothing beyond that.

I don’t agree at all. Kroos has been better than Modric during their time at Real Madrid to me. He’s one of Germany’s best players of all time. However, I do understand if you think he is overrated. I get that you might not value his player type that highly.

 

[Eisen]

For longevity, it is difficult to argue against Kroos. Personally I preferred Schweinsteiger as I think he was a better player at his best.

As of now, Schweini has more games than Kroos.

 

[Islay1989]

I don’t agree at all. Kroos has been better than Modric during their time at Real Madrid to me. He’s one of Germany’s best players of all time. However, I do understand if you think he is overrated. I get that you might not value his player type that highly.

 

[AB13]

What that I said is laughable?