Nathan MacKinnon, on par with the best in business?

[CN8]

Yea exactly, which was Makar.

Yes this was my point
At least it’s consistent

 

[The Macho King]

Yea exactly, which was Makar.

And by a mile too. MacKinnon was not scary in the Finals. Makar was.

 

[Coffey]

Mackinnon is a lesser player than Claude Provost and will never catch up to him(9 cups), got it​

I expect nothing from Vegas Fans but your logic still disappoints me

He’s a weird Knights/Avs hybrid. Truly a disgusting creature.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

How many Cups does MacKinnon have?
How many Cups does McDavid have?

Until he catches up, he will be lesser than. Cups matter bro.

Messier has 6 cups.
Gretzky has 4 cups.

This argument just doesn't work. By this kind of logic, Mark Messier is greater than Wayne Gretzky because he has more cups.

Even if McDavid doesn't win a cup in Edmonton, I'd say the chances of him winning a cup on another team later in his career is extremely high. The greats normally find a way. Lots of people thought Ovechkin was a loser too before he eventually got his cup.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Messier has 6 cups.
Gretzky has 4 cups.

This argument just doesn't work. By this kind of logic, Mark Messier is greater than Wayne Gretzky because he has more cups.

Even if McDavid doesn't win a cup in Edmonton, I'd say the chances of him winning a cup on another team later in his career is extremely high. The greats normally find a way. Lots of people thought Ovechkin was a loser too before he eventually got his cup.

You’re wrong. Patrick Maroon is infinitely better than McDavid. 3 cups vs 0, boom, science.

 

[The Macho King]

McDavid is the first forward to win a Conn Smythe in a losing effort in 50 years. Are we really trying to argue that his playoff performance is anything short of stellar?

Takes a team. I don't care if McDavid never wins a Cup - his greatness is solidified.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

McDavid is the first forward to win a Conn Smythe in a losing effort in 50 years. Are we really trying to argue that his playoff performance is anything short of stellar?

Takes a team. I don't care if McDavid never wins a Cup - his greatness is solidified.

Dude is trolling for sure , I prefer drive by trolls than the ones ripping paragraphs for 10 pages though , hurts my brain

 

[PaulD]

McDavid is the first forward to win a Conn Smythe in a losing effort in 50 years. Are we really trying to argue that his playoff performance is anything short of stellar?

Takes a team. I don't care if McDavid never wins a Cup - his greatness is solidified.

Still. Based on this season I take Mack over McDavid.
Over all..... a coin toss.

 

[The Macho King]

Still. Based on this season I take Mack over McDavid.
Over all..... a coin toss.

Man i wish I had the object permanence of a goldfish.

Also MacKinnon is an empty net merchant this year.

 

[benfranklin]

Messier has 6 cups.
Gretzky has 4 cups.

This argument just doesn't work. By this kind of logic, Mark Messier is greater than Wayne Gretzky because he has more cups.

Even if McDavid doesn't win a cup in Edmonton, I'd say the chances of him winning a cup on another team later in his career is extremely high. The greats normally find a way. Lots of people thought Ovechkin was a loser too before he eventually got his cup.

The Cup club starts at 1. 1/2/5/9 are all the same when comparing to 0.

Im obviously with you that Gretzky > Messier. But lets pretend Gretzky never won a Cup, had his 2800 whatever points. It would be a never-ending talking point that he never won it all despite a million points, Harts, and Art Ross's.

Its just the way it is and that is where McDavid finds himself. He is young enough that we all assume he has time and will get it sooner than later, but every year that is going to creep up to be more and more of a topic.

MacKinnon has his. He has his Hart and Lindsay. He can sit back and relax now and he is immortal in Colorado. McDavid needs to win one In Edm and if he doersnt, Oilers fans will be a little sour on him if he wins elsewhere.

Same with Sid. Lets pretend he never won in Pittsburgh, left and won elsewhere. He would be booed. Now, Pens fans will cheer for whatever team he goes to because he is immortal in Pittsburgh. Connor doesnt have that yet. He could easily pull a Tavares next season and it will get ugly fast.

 

[PaulD]

Man i wish I had the object permanence of a goldfish.

Also MacKinnon is an empty net merchant this year.

As were Gretz and OV career .
All the best scorers rack them up.

The Cup club starts at 1. 1/2/5/9 are all the same when comparing to 0.

Im obviously with you that Gretzky > Messier. But lets pretend Gretzky never won a Cup, had his 2800 whatever points. It would be a never-ending talking point that he never won it all despite a million points, Harts, and Art Ross's.

Its just the way it is and that is where McDavid finds himself. He is young enough that we all assume he has time and will get it sooner than later, but every year that is going to creep up to be more and more of a topic.

MacKinnon has his. He has his Hart and Lindsay. He can sit back and relax now and he is immortal in Colorado. McDavid needs to win one In Edm and if he doersnt, Oilers fans will be a little sour on him if he wins elsewhere.

Same with Sid. Lets pretend he never won in Pittsburgh, left and won elsewhere. He would be booed. Now, Pens fans will cheer for whatever team he goes to because he is immortal in Pittsburgh. Connor doesnt have that yet. He could easily pull a Tavares next season and it will get ugly fast.

Bourque is still loved by Bs fans and Management.
But I get ya. The Cup is the cherry on top when the great ones get theirs. OV finally got one after what 14 seasons?
And as good as we all know he is.....he was immediately plaved in even higher regard after winning the Cup. So will McDavid.

 

[benfranklin]

As were Gretz and OV career .
All the best scorers rack them up.


Bourque is still loved by Bs fans and Management.
But I get ya. The Cup is the cherry on top when the great ones get theirs. OV finally got one after what 14 seasons?
And as good as we all know he is.....he was immediately plaved in even higher regard after winning the Cup. So will McDavid.

Yeah if McDavid leaves the Oilers 10 years from now to win the Cup, all good, go Connor.

If he goes on runs the next two seasons, falls short, and leaves EDM with nothing to show (via trading him) Tavares style, theyre going to livid.

 

[Randyne]

OV finally got one after what 14 seasons?

on 13th season.

As were Gretz and OV career. All the best scorers rack them up.

Why Ovi? He is not top empty net merchant.
Top 25 by ENP per game (among top 100 by total ENP)

#	Player	ENP/GP
1​	Mikko Rantanen	.086​
2​	Jake Guentzel	.085​
3​	Sebastian Aho	.081​
4​	Kyle Connor	.079​
5​	Mark Scheifele	.068​
6​	Connor McDavid	.068​
7​	Matthew Tkachuk	.066​
8​	Nathan MacKinnon	.064​
9​	Nikita Kucherov	.063​
10​	Leon Draisaitl	.062​
11​	Sidney Crosby	.062​
12​	Brad Marchand	.062​
13​	Blake Wheeler	.061​
14​	Artemi Panarin	.060​
15​	Wayne Gretzky	.057​
16​	Bryan Rust	.056​
17​	Zach Hyman	.052​
18​	Alexander Ovechkin	.051​
19​	Jonathan Marchessault	.050​
20​	Teuvo Teravainen	.049​
21​	David Pastrnak	.049​
22​	Mario Lemieux	.048​
23​	Gabriel Landeskog	.047​
24​	Vincent Trocheck	.047​
25​	Jaden Schwartz	.046​

 

[PaulD]

on 13th season.

Why Ovi? He is not top empty net merchant.
Top 25 by ENP per game (among top 100 by total ENP)

#	Player	ENP/GP
1​	Mikko Rantanen	.086​
2​	Jake Guentzel	.085​
3​	Sebastian Aho	.081​
4​	Kyle Connor	.079​
5​	Mark Scheifele	.068​
6​	Connor McDavid	.068​
7​	Matthew Tkachuk	.066​
8​	Nathan MacKinnon	.064​
9​	Nikita Kucherov	.063​
10​	Leon Draisaitl	.062​
11​	Sidney Crosby	.062​
12​	Brad Marchand	.062​
13​	Blake Wheeler	.061​
14​	Artemi Panarin	.060​
15​	Wayne Gretzky	.057​
16​	Bryan Rust	.056​
17​	Zach Hyman	.052​
18​	Alexander Ovechkin	.051​
19​	Jonathan Marchessault	.050​
20​	Teuvo Teravainen	.049​
21​	David Pastrnak	.049​
22​	Mario Lemieux	.048​
23​	Gabriel Landeskog	.047​
24​	Vincent Trocheck	.047​
25​	Jaden Schwartz	.046​

OV and Gretz have the most ENG's.
(And I'm not knocking them for it).

 

[Randyne]

OV and Gretz have the most ENG's

MacK has only 1 ENG, but he is on the top by ENP (this season). So that talk was about points.

 

[Jixer19]

I never understood the knock on players getting empty net points, the coach trusts the players to play in those situations for a reason, if they score (to usually put the game away, there is some situations where that isn't always true), even better

 

[PaulD]

I never understood the knock on players getting empty net points, the coach trusts the players to play in those situations for a reason, if they score (to usually put the game away, there is some situations where that isn't always true), even better

yea it not like a Domi or Armia are tacking up empty netters.
Lookat the all time leaders......they lead with a goalie in ......and with a goalie out.