Confirmed with Link: Nathan Horton to Toronto for David Clarkson

[BluejacketNut]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/34837/senators-had-talks-with-leafs-about-obtaining-clarkson

Ottawa wanted Clarkson

Come on JK, you can make all these wrongs right by Monday!!!!!

 

[Mayor Bee]

Clarkson's contract is way over blown. He didn't produce in the role the Leafs gave him but he's a serviceable NHL player and far from being the worst contract in the league. And if Columbus has an internal cap there is no reason not to do this.

Name five worse.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Name five worse.

1. Boll
2. Boll
3. Boll
4. Boll
5. Boll

 

[cbjfaninmo]

Whoever made the ultimate decision to not insure Horton should be fired. Plain and simple. It is really a bad decision. You have to protect that kind of investment to the degree it can. Not roll the dice. Even if Clarkson plays decently, the "no insurance for Horton" debacle is a huge setback. I am very concerned about the JD and Jarmo show right now.

 

[CBJSlash]

Then lets trade him to Ottawa.

Clarkson + Prout =

 

[BluejacketNut]

1. Boll
2. Boll
3. Boll
4. Boll
5. Boll

beat me to it lol

 

[CapnCornelius]

Whoever made the ultimate decision to not insure Horton should be fired. Plain and simple. It is really a bad decision. You have to protect that kind of investment to the degree it can. Not roll the dice. Even if Clarkson plays decently, the "no insurance for Horton" debacle is a huge setback. I am very concerned about the JD and Jarmo show right now.

I'm equally concerned that it wasn't their call but came from a higher authority. This sounds like a decision a bean counter would make. A meddling bean counter. The kind who insists that we trade for Jeff Carter. I don't know, someone like, Mike Priest.

 

[Stretch Factor]

Whoever made the ultimate decision to not insure Horton should be fired. Plain and simple. It is really a bad decision. You have to protect that kind of investment to the degree it can. Not roll the dice. Even if Clarkson plays decently, the "no insurance for Horton" debacle is a huge setback. I am very concerned about the JD and Jarmo show right now.

One of two people needs fired- either the doctor that didn't find the degenerative back issue or the executive that didn't think it was worth insuring.

I'm not a doctor, but I would guess a degenerative back is findable on an MRI. Unless he hurt it while rehabbing his shoulder or groin.

 

[Dr. Fire]

Here is my big hope.

The guy has been a 10-15 goal scorer with the Leafs, and quite frankly, that franchise as a whole has been a train wreck. Maybe some of his woes have been because of that.

Not that the CBJ have been a model franchise, but if you look at things outside this injury riddled season, they have a bright future.

So, having said that, if Clarkson can get himself to the 20 goal plateau on a consistent basis, and be the fore-checking, gritty guy that he is supposed to be, then I am good with this. Certainly he is still over-payed, but at least contributing in a meaningful way.

We shall see.

 

[CapnCornelius]

One of two people needs fired- either the doctor that didn't find the degenerative back issue or the executive that didn't think it was worth insuring.

I'm not a doctor, but I would guess a degenerative back is findable on an MRI. Unless he hurt it while rehabbing his shoulder or groin.

I will cut the doctor some slack. Backs, knees and shoulders don't always show their issues on an MRI. Sometimes it isn't until you cut open someone that the whole problem is revealed on those body parts.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Here is my big hope.

The guy has been a 10-15 goal scorer with the Leafs, and quite frankly, that franchise as a whole has been a train wreck. Maybe some of his woes have been because of that.

Not that the CBJ have been a model franchise, but if you look at things outside this injury riddled season, they have a bright future.

So, having said that, if Clarkson can get himself to the 20 goal plateau on a consistent basis, and be the fore-checking, gritty guy that he is supposed to be, then I am good with this. Certainly he is still over-payed, but at least contributing in a meaningful way.

We shall see.

A 30-year-old player suddenly doing what he's never done before despite plenty of opportunity to do so? I won't hold my breath.

 

[BluejacketNut]

I'm equally concerned that it wasn't their call but came from a higher authority. This sounds like a decision a bean counter would make. A meddling bean counter. The kind who insists that we trade for Jeff Carter. I don't know, someone like, Mike Priest.

AAHHHHHH Get out the holy water!!!

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Go back and look at my comments concurrent with the acquisition. This is not about hindsight. The only way the deal made sense to me is if we insured Horton to the extent possible.

There's nothing here on HF that I can find, Cap. No post in the thread about him signing, nothing that entire summer about the Horton signing that I can find. I mean, there's a thread from November 2013 in which you seem to laud Jarmo for the signing with no mention of insurance or his injury history.

In other history, the 'Horton signs in Cbus' thread includes a lot or virtual high-fives over this being a big-time move and an example of how the Jackets, under our new leadership, are no longer a laughingstock. What concern there was involved Horton's concussion history and pending shoulder surgery. Not one mention by anyone of his back, or of the need to insure this big-dollar contract.

 

[Samkow]

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

...Nationwide is on your side...

 

[BluejacketNut]

I will cut the doctor some slack. Backs, knees and shoulders don't always show their issues on an MRI. Sometimes it isn't until you cut open someone that the whole problem is revealed on those body parts.

Backs do. DDD is easily noticeable on an MRI to any trained doctor.

 

[Mayor Bee]

There's nothing here on HF that I can find, Cap. No post in the thread about him signing, nothing that entire summer about the Horton signing that I can find. I mean, there's a thread from November 2013 in which you seem to laud Jarmo for the signing with no mention of insurance or his injury history.

In other history, the 'Horton signs in Cbus' thread includes a lot or virtual high-fives over this being a big-time move and an example of how the Jackets, under our new leadership, are no longer a laughingstock. What concern there was involved Horton's concussion history and pending shoulder surgery. Not one mention by anyone of his back, or of the need to insure this big-dollar contract.

In fairness, I don't think anyone would have guessed that the contract wasn't insured at all, which seemed to be confirmed with Portzline's comments a few months ago.

 

[CapnCornelius]

There's nothing here on HF that I can find, Cap. No post in the thread about him signing, nothing that entire summer about the Horton signing that I can find. I mean, there's a thread from November 2013 in which you seem to laud Jarmo for the signing with no mention of insurance or his injury history.

In other history, the 'Horton signs in Cbus' thread includes a lot or virtual high-fives over this being a big-time move and an example of how the Jackets, under our new leadership, are no longer a laughingstock. What concern there was involved Horton's concussion history and pending shoulder surgery. Not one mention by anyone of his back, or of the need to insure this big-dollar contract.

I'll go back and look DSL, but I distinctly remember having that argument with someone. Maybe I'm having post-traumatic stress from that time Brian Williams, Porty and I were attacked by warlords.

 

[Dr. Fire]

A 30-year-old player suddenly doing what he's never done before despite plenty of opportunity to do so? I won't hold my breath.

Come on now!

What happened to "hope and change"?

A guy can dream, can't he?

 

[Stretch Factor]

I will cut the doctor some slack. Backs, knees and shoulders don't always show their issues on an MRI. Sometimes it isn't until you cut open someone that the whole problem is revealed on those body parts.

Is there a doctor in the house? I'd love to read some educated responses on this issue.

I'd normally be with you on this Capn, but it seems to me the recent and historical issues with our medical staff really makes me wonder about competency in those areas.

I wouldn't think a degenerative back would just appear all of a sudden. Did he have an MRI before we signed him, did he even have a physical?

Did Horton know about it? Did Boston? If so, why didn't we?

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Anyone else feel a little less optimistic about the future now?

Premier FA acquisition and it didn't work out.

Injuries all year...

 

[EspenK]

Separating the two issues I guess I can live with the trade. At least we have a guy that can play as opposed to one who just lives in Florida.

I don't understand the whole lack of insurance thing. Wish Porty or someone could get Jarmo to fully explain why/how that situation happened.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Blah, Blah, Blah (no not the poster ) Lets pile on Jarmo without knowing full story. Everyone assumed Hortons contract was insured, turns out we didnt know story. Yes, clarkson has a bad contract, but maybe just maybe he returns to a 15 to 20 goal scorer, physical prescence, and pretty decent fighter. Ill take that over paying Horton to sit. Let see what the trade deadline, and draft look like. Overall, our drafting has been very good under Jarmo, and trading is mixed. Jarmos best move was Hartnell for Umberger. And for perspective, Clarkson has more goals and same point total as Umberger this year.

 

[Samkow]

Blah, Blah, Blah (no not the poster ) Lets pile on Jarmo without knowing full story. Everyone assumed Hortons contract was insured, turns out we didnt know story. Yes, clarkson has a bad contract, but maybe just maybe he returns to a 15 to 20 goal scorer, physical prescence, and pretty decent fighter. Ill take that over paying Horton to sit. Let see what the trade deadline, and draft look like. Overall, our drafting has been very good under Jarmo, and trading is mixed. Jarmos best move was Hartnell for Umberger. And for perspective, Clarkson has more goals and same point total as Umberger this year.

Suddenly, your posts make more sense. You're a huge Jarmo homer.

There's no "full story" here. They made a horrible mistake that most teams don't make. This is right up there in terms of Stan Bowman not mailing out those qualifying offers in terms of bizarre incompetence.

 

[Orfieus]

I agree they made the best of a bad situation but it's their own doing. I wouldn't call it a win, hands down. Unless you think buying a $80000 Porsche and driving around in a Ford Focus all the time because you Porsche was in the shop for 5 years is a good deal.

Or worse, you bought the Porsche but didn't spring for the insurance, totaled it, and are now paying for it while driving the Focus.

It is not Columbus fault they are in this situation. It was total bad luck and Horton is worth the contract, if he was a healthy player. Columbus took a chance and it didn't pay off.

This is most definitely a win for Columbus.

As for Toronto, full disclosure I am a huge TO fan, we should be ashamed and disgusted about this trade. I am so very happy, and obviously it was 100% the right move, but signing Clarkson to that type of contract (one where you cant buy him out and then top it off with a no-movement clause) should have never happened and Leafs management should have stepped in.

I'm going to always link to my thread because I want you Columbus fans to realize this is an amazing trade for you guys!
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1843401