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On Edge said:
You've completely missed my point.
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I think it is the other way around.

But tell me what your point is, I'm happy to learn it.

My point, if it remains unclear, is that no matter what observations anyone makes about anything, an NHL arena costs NO LESS than $400m and, as of now, there is only about $36m budgeted for this arena. Since that money does not exist, and despite decades of trying has never existed, it is very unlikely that an NHL caliber renovation would exist.

This is irrespective of the other issues.

So, what was your point?
 
BroadwayJay said:
I think it is the other way around.

But tell me what your point is, I'm happy to learn it.

My point, if it remains unclear, is that no matter what observations anyone makes about anything, an NHL arena costs NO LESS than $400m and, as of now, there is only about $36m budgeted for this arena. Since that money does not exist, and despite decades of trying has never existed, it is very unlikely that an NHL caliber renovation would exist.

This is irrespective of the other issues.

So, what was your point?
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Read my posts again. I don't talk about current dollars allocated to the NVCM. I say that it based on what I have seen of the structure, the interior plans and my experience that it would be conceivable to alter capacity from 13,000 to 16,000 seats.

The argument has been made here that one of the reasons that the remodeled version of the NVMC is that the capacity of 13,000 would not be suitable for an NHL team. I believe capacity number is artificially low based on what I have seen so I don't think that will be a sustainable argument.

I am not saying it is going to happen, I want it to happen or that Brooklyn sucks. I frankly could care less at this point. However, would it surprise me to see more twists and turns in the next 24 months regarding this building and the Islanders? Not one bit.
 
On Edge said:
Read my posts again. I don't talk about current dollars allocated to the NVCM. I say that it based on what I have seen of the structure, the interior plans and my experience that it would be conceivable to alter capacity from 13,000 to 16,000 seats.

The argument has been made here that one of the reasons that the remodeled version of the NVMC is that the capacity of 13,000 would not be suitable for an NHL team. I believe capacity number is artificially low based on what I have seen so I don't think that will be a sustainable argument.

I am not saying it is going to happen, I want it to happen or that Brooklyn sucks. I frankly could care less at this point. However, would it surprise me to see more twists and turns in the next 24 months regarding this building and the Islanders? Not one bit.
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Alright. I think I had gotten that the whole time.

You're saying that you believe, based on your observations, that the capacity could be expanded beyond the current plans.

That's cool. It just had nothing to do with the other massive stumbling blocks, largest of all the monetary one that I've been talking about. Because there are a great deal more costs than just adding seats however it is done. Unless you're also saying that THIS NHL arena would be built at dramatically lower cost than any other arena in the last decade.

I doubt you're saying that though, are you?
 
All else aside (politics, etc.), aren't there 2 major physical issues with the NVMC:

1. lack of amenities/concourse area;

2. not enough seating and club/luxury boxes.

With a virtually unlimited building envelope space around the existing NVMC, just build out at ground level to create signifcantly more concourse area, and in so doing create structural supports for additional seating above (adding several more rows and a ring of luxury boxes). Wider seats can be installed in the top 1/2 of the existing lower bowl between the blue lines for "club box" seating with private lounge areas behind. Problems 1 and 2 above would be solved, and it wouldn't cost anything close to what a new arena would cost (or what it would cost to provide equivalent seating in Brooklyn).
 
doublechili said:
All else aside (politics, etc.), aren't there 2 major physical issues with the NVMC:

1. lack of amenities/concourse area;

2. not enough seating and club/luxury boxes.

With a virtually unlimited building envelope space around the existing NVMC, just build out at ground level to create signifcantly more concourse area, and in so doing create structural supports for additional seating above (adding several more rows and a ring of luxury boxes). Wider seats can be installed in the top 1/2 of the existing lower bowl between the blue lines for "club box" seating with private lounge areas behind. Problems 1 and 2 above would be solved, and it wouldn't cost anything close to what a new arena would cost (or what it would cost to provide equivalent seating in Brooklyn).
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All of this is doable.

Just gotta find the money.
 
It would be incredibly STUPID to re-do the Coliseum NOT being able to support the team they hosted for their entire history.

I do expect Nassau/developers/etc to eventually change the plan and be able to hold 15k fat ***** in the new Coliseum.

It would be embarrassing to "reno" it and do anything else.


(But what the **** do I know?)
 
I mean I'm all about making something happen at the Coliseum, I know the numbers are 275 mil for what they're doing now, 400 mil to knock it down and start over and... I'm not seeing the possibility of a basic reno with luxury suites and 15-16k seats within the current structure.
 
My favorite part of the whole series of pictures on Twitter is how meteorologist Rich Hoffman gets a verified check box, but Ed Mangano doesn't.
 
MJF said:
Nice. That should give this thread enough legs to carry us through the playoffs.:yo:
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Look -- its written there -- and its on the internet, authored by someone who appears to be valid. (you know, not poo pooed by certain people here)...

So...

its gotta be true!
 
Bones45 said:
Look -- its written there -- and its on the internet, authored by someone who appears to be valid. (you know, not poo pooed by certain people here)...

So...

its gotta be true!
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Q. What makes the author a credible source?
A. He's breathing.
 
MJF said:
Q. What makes the author a credible source?
A. He's breathing.
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Well -- breathing is a good start.

But he can't be from the NY Post.. That is one thing I've learned.

And even if that author from the Post, goes to, lets say -- the Times? The entire Paper then adapts the agenda of that guy... so now the entire NYT staff is tainted.

See how educational HF is? Much to learn!!!
 
Bones45 said:
Well -- breathing is a good start.

But he can't be from the NY Post.. That is one thing I've learned.

And even if that author from the Post, goes to, lets say -- the Times? The entire Paper then adapts the agenda of that guy... so now the entire NYT staff is tainted.

See how educational HF is? Much to learn!!!
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That's why I stop in here every day.
 
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