Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season

[ShagDaddy]

Stastney back to Milwaukee

I guess this coach and GM think Barron is lights out better than Stastney.



Dumb asses.

 

[herzausstein]

Seems odd to carry just 6 dmen around. Honestly Stastney needs to be playing games and is waiver exempt so it makes sense.

 

[Legionnaire11]

How does the dip in Saros' stats compare to league averages over that time?

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Athletic had article on Preds this morning. Didn’t really say much new, but had lots of charts. Nice they at least acknowledged our existence.

 

[herzausstein]

So saros hasnt been great...

Annunen has gotten 7 starts and came in 2 times over the 23 games since being acquired. That's a 25 start per season pace which would give saros only 57 starts (his lowest start rate since becoming a starter). Part of that may be that we have had 3 back to backs in that timeframe another part may be that Saros has been buns over that timeframe even with 2 SO his sv% is .883 and GAA is 3.24. I know the team defense has been beyond lousy at times but that is hard to stomach for the price tag. If he were making 2-3 million, i can handle that but he isnt

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I wonder if Saros is realizing just how much of a disaster he has hitched his 9 year wagon to, in the same way we're all vice versa-ing on that?

Anyway, our team is still garbage despite the illusory recent pseudo-surge, and Saros is still a pretty capable and reliable NHL starting goalie in a league where that's not a super common thing anymore. We were absolute fools to sign him to that contract, but he could definitely still help some team out there who has a relatively near-term window and needs that stability in their playoff run.

I still nominate the Edmonton Oilers. They have $3.54M Cap Space today, given LTIRing Evander Kane, and we're more than half-way through the season, so they could actually just slide in Saros at his current $5M pro-rated. They might be a little bit stressed about where their Cap is going after this season, given the raise coming to Evan Bouchard, but they'll also lose Jeff Skinner and Klingberg, and it might be a fairly significant Cap rise across the league next season. If they additionally included their struggling young goalie Stuart Skinner and his $2.6M back to us, or heck, even the dump of the Evander Kane LTIRetirement contract, I'm in.

Saros
for
S.Skinner + E.Kane

We get nothing out of it, pretty much, aside from escaping from the Saros contract. Which is a huge loss compared to where we could have been a calendar year ago if we had instead kept Askarov and traded Saros for a haul. But whatever. It is what it is now. We shouldn't pile 8 more years of loss onto it, it doesn't get any better after this. Skinner and Kane contracts are up after next season. Maybe Skinner is fine for us while we re-tool, maybe Kane can just stay on LTIR anyway. But then we're open for business after that... we can watch for a goalie, draft Ravensbergen with our Vegas pick, maybe see what Annunen can do with more time and protect him if needed in an Expansion Draft, etc. I think that flexibility would be great for us. And again, I have always been a big booster of Saros as a goalie. Nothing against him, I suspect he might actually be the missing ingredient that gets Edmonton a Stanley Cup. If he and Ekholm and Arvy actually won a Cup there, that'd be pretty cool.

 

[Armourboy]

Didn't want to pay him for 8 years before this season, sure don't want to do it now. Team defense, whatever, I've seen him get beat clean more than enough this season that he gets just as much of the blame. Heck he got beat high glove side 3 times in one game.

 

[Top 6 Spaling]

If we lost Askarov because we signed Saros a year early to that dumb extension, then trade Saros for no/negative value five months later, I will probably check out from this team for a while

 

[Armourboy]

If we lost Askarov because we signed Saros a year early to that dumb extension, then trade Saros for no/negative value five months later, I will probably check out from this team for a while

I wouldn't worry about it, the odds that Trotz trades Saros is slim to none

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I wouldn't worry about it, the odds that Trotz trades Saros is slim to none

This is truth.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

No doubt that Trotz bungled the goaltending situation but most of us already knew that during the off-season

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

No doubt that Trotz bungled the goaltending situation but most of us already knew that during the off-season

From my seat in the peanut gallery... uh, no, "most of us" did most definitely NOT know that during the off-season. It was a very precious few of us who did!

 

[glenngineer]

From my seat in the peanut gallery... uh, no, "most of us" did most definitely NOT know that during the off-season. It was a very precious few of us who did!

You and I were on the same page for not wanting to re-sign him. What we disagreed on was if he re-signed, what the terms were. This was a big mistake and there is a chance to get out of it but you're going to get pennies on the dollar for him when we could've unloaded him 2.5 seasons ago and gotten a decent haul.

 

[101st_fan]

So saros hasnt been great...

Annunen has gotten 7 starts and came in 2 times over the 23 games since being acquired. That's a 25 start per season pace which would give saros only 57 starts (his lowest start rate since becoming a starter). Part of that may be that we have had 3 back to backs in that timeframe another part may be that Saros has been buns over that timeframe even with 2 SO his sv% is .883 and GAA is 3.24. I know the team defense has been beyond lousy at times but that is hard to stomach for the price tag. If he were making 2-3 million, i can handle that but he isnt

None of those details factored into that article. It's beyond his capability.

 

[bdub24]

Local media surprise.

If someone had written that to Robby Stanley, Robby Stanley would have explained how little that author understood the Preds, their system, hockey and professional sports generally

 

[bdub24]

I wonder if Saros is realizing just how much of a disaster he has hitched his 9 year wagon to, in the same way we're all vice versa-ing on that?

Anyway, our team is still garbage despite the illusory recent pseudo-surge, and Saros is still a pretty capable and reliable NHL starting goalie in a league where that's not a super common thing anymore. We were absolute fools to sign him to that contract, but he could definitely still help some team out there who has a relatively near-term window and needs that stability in their playoff run.

I still nominate the Edmonton Oilers. They have $3.54M Cap Space today, given LTIRing Evander Kane, and we're more than half-way through the season, so they could actually just slide in Saros at his current $5M pro-rated. They might be a little bit stressed about where their Cap is going after this season, given the raise coming to Evan Bouchard, but they'll also lose Jeff Skinner and Klingberg, and it might be a fairly significant Cap rise across the league next season. If they additionally included their struggling young goalie Stuart Skinner and his $2.6M back to us, or heck, even the dump of the Evander Kane LTIRetirement contract, I'm in.

Saros
for
S.Skinner + E.Kane

We get nothing out of it, pretty much, aside from escaping from the Saros contract. Which is a huge loss compared to where we could have been a calendar year ago if we had instead kept Askarov and traded Saros for a haul. But whatever. It is what it is now. We shouldn't pile 8 more years of loss onto it, it doesn't get any better after this. Skinner and Kane contracts are up after next season. Maybe Skinner is fine for us while we re-tool, maybe Kane can just stay on LTIR anyway. But then we're open for business after that... we can watch for a goalie, draft Ravensbergen with our Vegas pick, maybe see what Annunen can do with more time and protect him if needed in an Expansion Draft, etc. I think that flexibility would be great for us. And again, I have always been a big booster of Saros as a goalie. Nothing against him, I suspect he might actually be the missing ingredient that gets Edmonton a Stanley Cup. If he and Ekholm and Arvy actually won a Cup there, that'd be pretty cool.

Just realized Arvy is in EDM now. But when you look at a team like EDM and all the super talent they have, or COL or teams like this that STILL have cap space, you start to realize you’ve had a mediocre GM for a lot of years to get to this place

 

[Soundgarden]

Just realized Arvy is in EDM now. But when you look at a team like EDM and all the super talent they have, or COL or teams like this that STILL have cap space, you start to realize you’ve had a mediocre GM for a lot of years to get to this place

And how did they get that talent? Mcdavid and Drai were gifts for sucking for a decade straight and drafting top 5 year after year. Same with Colorado, drafting Mack, Makar, Landeskog and Rantanen didn't take a good gm or even a "mediocre" one like Poile to figure out.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Bellows back down and Gravel up today.

Fine with me. Didn't see any point in carrying Bellows around in the pressbox. Stastney is better than Gravel, but I guess if I just ignored the front office mindset, sending him down to play more and bringing up a guy to plant in the pressbox instead of him would make more sense, so... welcome back Gravel!

 

[wmupreds]

Stastney is so much better than Gravel. Hard to understand what's going on in the FO's brains sometimes.

 

[Softball99]

Might be conditioning related ... he was out a long time and playing while getting physically beat on takes conditioning also .

 

[Armourboy]

Listening to 102.5, the amount of " you don't really know hockey " they are using to try and cover for Saros numbers is down right pathetic. Derrick Mason acting like he knows a damn thing about the NHL is laughable.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Listening to 102.5, the amount of " you don't really know hockey " they are using to try and cover for Saros numbers is down right pathetic. Derrick Mason acting like he knows a damn thing about the NHL is laughable.

...really he doesn't know much about anything outside of football and some days I question that.

 

[glenngineer]

Listening to 102.5, the amount of " you don't really know hockey " they are using to try and cover for Saros numbers is down right pathetic. Derrick Mason acting like he knows a damn thing about the NHL is laughable.

I was listening and called in and then hit end because I didn’t want to erupt on air. Vingan is at least trying to be rational while Willy and Mason are defending him.

 

[herzausstein]

I guess i dont really know much about hockey but it seems like Annunen has been outperforming Saros. I get that our team defense sucks at times but it should drag down both goalies not just the one

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I guess i dont really know much about hockey but it seems like Annunen has been outperforming Saros. I get that our team defense sucks at times but it should drag down both goalies not just the one