Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season

[NSH615]

Sounds like Trotz has already been working the phones

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848859172949135876

 

[Predsanddead24]

Sounds like Trotz has already been working the phones

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848859172949135876

If he can somehow get a young center I’m all for it but I really hope we don’t make some desperation trade.

 

[herzausstein]

If he can somehow get a young center I’m all for it but I really hope we don’t make some desperation trade.

Considering we now have zero cap room, im not sure how we get a young NHL center.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Considering we now have zero cap room, im not sure how we get a young NHL center.

Well we do have Johansen’s cap space hypothetically. If Trotz is working the phones I’d assume that means he thinks we have that cap space.

 

[herzausstein]

Well we do have Johansen’s cap space hypothetically. If Trotz is working the phones I’d assume that means he thinks we have that cap space.

Im assuming he is including Novak in a trade since sissons is a 2/3c under bruno

 

[Armourboy]

Im assuming he is including Novak in a trade since sissons is a 2/3c under bruno

Who knows what he is looking at. Could be looking to unload several guys to more or less add up to the space he needs. I agree he needs a C, but if Stastney isn't going to be back soonish he needs a Dman too since Brunette won't play Fabbro and Schenn has no business being in the line up.

 

[glenngineer]

Well with Fabbro, Tomasino and Parssinen sitting and MDG getting back into the game tonight, I'd have to say those three are available. It won't get Trotz what he wants and I said this on the main boards, we don't need a 2C, we need a 1C and that bumps ROR down to the 2C slot, which is where he realistically needs to be. Problem is, there aren't any 1C's or even 2C's available. Maybe he should've looked at Stephenson in the offseason. It wasn't as sexy a pick up as Stamkos but fit more of a need.

I'd honestly look at moving Saros before the NMC/NTC clause kicks in next year. To think, last year we had Saros, Lankinen and Askarov and we now have Saros, Wedgewood and Murray/Chrona. We went from a position of strength to being in a major bind if Saros were to get hurt.

I don't think Saros gets you what you need but him, Fabbro and some other sweeteners might move the needle for some team looking to get over the hump who has some organization depth up the middle.

FYI, go back and look at the Nordiques/Avs teams, at one point, they had two times in their history in the last 30 years where they had an abundance of C's at one time - Sakic, Forsberg, Sundin and Nolan the first time and then MacKinnon, Stastny, Duchene and ROR. Crazy to think about all that talent on their roster. I'm pretty sure all were drafted by them too, except for Forsberg who was part of the Lindros deal. The best center we've ever drafted was Legwand. How is that even possible? Hell, the best center Poile ever drafted was Jason Allison, who unfortunately got derailed by injuries. Then people wonder why Poile never won a Cup, this is why.

Enjoy the game tonight!!

 

[wmupreds]

Well with Fabbro, Tomasino and Parssinen sitting and MDG getting back into the game tonight, I'd have to say those three are available. It won't get Trotz what he wants and I said this on the main boards, we don't need a 2C, we need a 1C and that bumps ROR down to the 2C slot, which is where he realistically needs to be. Problem is, there aren't any 1C's or even 2C's available. Maybe he should've looked at Stephenson in the offseason. It wasn't as sexy a pick up as Stamkos but fit more of a need.

I'd honestly look at moving Saros before the NMC/NTC clause kicks in next year. To think, last year we had Saros, Lankinen and Askarov and we now have Saros, Wedgewood and Murray/Chrona. We went from a position of strength to being in a major bind if Saros were to get hurt.

I don't think Saros gets you what you need but him, Fabbro and some other sweeteners might move the needle for some team looking to get over the hump who has some organization depth up the middle.

FYI, go back and look at the Nordiques/Avs teams, at one point, they had two times in their history in the last 30 years where they had an abundance of C's at one time - Sakic, Forsberg, Sundin and Nolan the first time and then MacKinnon, Stastny, Duchene and ROR. Crazy to think about all that talent on their roster. I'm pretty sure all were drafted by them too, except for Forsberg who was part of the Lindros deal. The best center we've ever drafted was Legwand. How is that even possible? Hell, the best center Poile ever drafted was Jason Allison, who unfortunately got derailed by injuries. Then people wonder why Poile never won a Cup, this is why.

Enjoy the game tonight!!

I don't think there would be much if any interest in Saros at this point with that contract signed.

I also think it's ridiculous that Fabbro, Tomasino and Parssinen are the three odd men out. Especially Fabbro.

 

[Kat Predator]

Coaching decisions don't always follow a meritocratic principle. There is some management country club self preservation that runs through it as well. A coach isn't going to bench the highest paid "star" on the team and play a rookie or younger player who may be just as talented but paid a tiny fraction of the salary. There are too many negatives: the star might get chapped cheeks and cause problems, or his buddies in the locker room may try a coup, the GM may see it as a rebellion against his masterful team assembly, the owner may cut the length of the leash to a few millimeters, and the fans and media may get hysterical. Few coaches are going to have the cajones to fight that sort of inertia. It's just plain easier to be highly skeptical of a younger player and play it safe by throwing a retread that's been around and played with a dozen teams out there. It's understandable. It's survival.

On the other hand, coaches that work hand in glove with the GM and scouting and put in a system designed to get the most out of the talent at hand are the coaches you really want running the show. Guys that can whip you with their players or switch benches and whip you with your own.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Considering we now have zero cap room, im not sure how we get a young NHL center.

Something like
Novak to team A for picks/prospects
Tomasino and Fabbro and picks/prospects to team B for center.

 

[wmupreds]

Coaching decisions don't always follow a meritocratic principle. There is some management country club self preservation that runs through it as well. A coach isn't going to bench the highest paid "star" on the team and play a rookie or younger player who may be just as talented but paid a tiny fraction of the salary. There are too many negatives: the star might get chapped cheeks and cause problems, or his buddies in the locker room may try a coup, the GM may see it as a rebellion against his masterful team assembly, the owner may cut the length of the leash to a few millimeters, and the fans and media may get hysterical. Few coaches are going to have the cajones to fight that sort of inertia. It's just plain easier to be highly skeptical of a younger player and play it safe by throwing a retread that's been around and played with a dozen teams out there. It's understandable. It's survival.

On the other hand, coaches that work hand in glove with the GM and scouting and put in a system designed to get the most out of the talent at hand are the coaches you really want running the show. Guys that can whip you with their players or switch benches and whip you with your own.

I don't think anyone is expecting the stars to get benched. Lauzon makes less money than Fabbro and is basically the same age. Schenn has spent plenty of time in his career in and out of the lineup. There are multiple forwards not getting scratches that have been tweeners for several years. Nobody is suggesting Stamkos would be benched, here.

 

[King Weber]

time to let grandma out of the cage I guess

 

[Scoresberg]

I just keep thinking that there are only 32 teams in the best league of the world and somehow we are stuck with Willy Daunic as our play-by-play announcer

 

[Kat Predator]

I don't think anyone is expecting the stars to get benched. Lauzon makes less money than Fabbro and is basically the same age. Schenn has spent plenty of time in his career in and out of the lineup. There are multiple forwards not getting scratches that have been tweeners for several years. Nobody is suggesting Stamkos would be benched, here.

That's not exactly the point. The outliers are the star players, and of course no one would actually bench a star player who plays well. They are the extreme to illustrate the point. By extension, veterans and mid-level contract veterans also get cut more slack for similar reasons. While not infinite, it is undeniable that a player like Schenn, who clearly doesn't have a huge upside, is a veteran, decently paid, and has a lot more slack than Fabbro.

 

[glenngineer]

That's not exactly the point. The outliers are the star players, and of course no one would actually bench a star player who plays well. They are the extreme to illustrate the point. By extension, veterans and mid-level contract veterans also get cut more slack for similar reasons. While not infinite, it is undeniable that a player like Schenn, who clearly doesn't have a huge upside, is a veteran, decently paid, and has a lot more slack than Fabbro.

All of this is fair. However, when you have guys like McC and Smith on the ice for 9 goals against and 1 for, I don't see the logic in how they keep a spot that a younger player could accel in.

 

[Adz]

I just keep thinking that there are only 32 teams in the best league of the world and somehow we are stuck with Willy Daunic as our play-by-play announcer

Oh, my laundry, whatchu talkin bout Scoresberg? I don't hate him, but I have always maintained he'd be better on color than pbp. I have really liked Max Herz. One day I'm hoping he has the chance to take over the duties. I also liked Aaron Sims from Milwaukee when he did a guest call ...and I still rue the day we lost Eli Gold. I also liked that other guy, Tom Callahan, who left abruptly. There haven't been any I hated but some I've liked more than others.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

All of this is fair. However, when you have guys like McC and Smith on the ice for 9 goals against and 1 for, I don't see the logic in how they keep a spot that a younger player could accel in.

I imagine that's where the veteran "bonus" comes in... they were both + players last season, so they get the benefit of the doubt that it's just "bad luck" or something in the first 5 games of this season? Where youngsters don't get that same benefit of the doubt - well, nor credit either for any positive small sample statistics, unfortunately.

I think this is fairly typical all around the NHL in general. However it just seems to me that here we sort of "drag things out" a bit in terms of who carries the "youngster" label - some guys into their 3rd or 4th seasons (or more for Fabbro). Plus we give the "veteran bonus" to some guys who are really very low level players who wouldn't even play for many other teams in the league. We take a sort of exaggerated approach to this otherwise typical situation.

 

[triggrman]

Well with Fabbro, Tomasino and Parssinen sitting and MDG getting back into the game tonight, I'd have to say those three are available. It won't get Trotz what he wants and I said this on the main boards, we don't need a 2C, we need a 1C and that bumps ROR down to the 2C slot, which is where he realistically needs to be. Problem is, there aren't any 1C's or even 2C's available. Maybe he should've looked at Stephenson in the offseason. It wasn't as sexy a pick up as Stamkos but fit more of a need.

I'd honestly look at moving Saros before the NMC/NTC clause kicks in next year. To think, last year we had Saros, Lankinen and Askarov and we now have Saros, Wedgewood and Murray/Chrona. We went from a position of strength to being in a major bind if Saros were to get hurt.

I don't think Saros gets you what you need but him, Fabbro and some other sweeteners might move the needle for some team looking to get over the hump who has some organization depth up the middle.

FYI, go back and look at the Nordiques/Avs teams, at one point, they had two times in their history in the last 30 years where they had an abundance of C's at one time - Sakic, Forsberg, Sundin and Nolan the first time and then MacKinnon, Stastny, Duchene and ROR. Crazy to think about all that talent on their roster. I'm pretty sure all were drafted by them too, except for Forsberg who was part of the Lindros deal. The best center we've ever drafted was Legwand. How is that even possible? Hell, the best center Poile ever drafted was Jason Allison, who unfortunately got derailed by injuries. Then people wonder why Poile never won a Cup, this is why.

Enjoy the game tonight!!

Forsberg and Sundin were never on the same team.

 

[glenngineer]

Forsberg and Sundin were never on the same team.

Quebec had the rights to Forsberg when Sundin was still there. Foppa was drafted in 1991 and traded that same year. Sundin was dealt to TML in 1994 so while they didn't technically play together, they were part of the same system.

 

[triggrman]

Quebec had the rights to Forsberg when Sundin was still there. Foppa was drafted in 1991 and traded that same year. Sundin was dealt to TML in 1994 so while they didn't technically play together, they were part of the same system.

yeah, I remember, just saying they weren't there at the same time. Technically, Lindros could be included with Sundin.

 

[glenngineer]

yeah, I remember, just saying they weren't there at the same time. Technically, Lindros could be included with Sundin.

Either way, it's mind numbing to think that they've drafted that many centers in the last 40ish or so years and had the depth they had twice in that time period. My point was, we've never sniffed a center via drafting and while it's common knowledge that's where you start building your team, our GM's have not done well in this area.

Check this out - sort on position, centers should appear first. Then sort by GP, that's interesting too.

List of Nashville Predators draft picks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[originalpredfan]

I realize I don't see what the coaches see, but since it is this early in the season I can't for the life of me understand why Pars is not given a decent shot centering the second line. Five games at a minimum should be enough to assess if he's a keeper or not.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I realize I don't see what the coaches see, but since it is this early in the season I can't for the life of me understand why Pars is not given a decent shot centering the second line. Five games at a minimum should be enough to assess if he's a keeper or not.

Although as we've seen in the past, the Preds tend to be good at creating self-fulfilling prophecies with these guys too... sit them for weeks, or make them walk on eggshells thinking that one little miscue will put them on the bench, and then see what happens when you throw them in to a game after that long. It might take longer than 5 games. But that's not ever going to happen. He'd be lucky to last 5 shifts, unfortunately.

 

[herzausstein]

I did some number crunching to try and normalize the data since everyone has played a different amount of games and gotten a different amount of TOI. I cant do anything about quality of competition though.

In terms of Even strength TOI per Goal against, Evangelista, Jankowski, and Novak are doing the best all with 20+ minutes of even strength ice time per even strength goal against.

Eye test proves right with Sissons, Smith, and McCarron being at the bottom with less than 10 minutes of even strength ice time per even strength goal against.

Pars is at the very bottom but with only one game and spending that time attached to those that are at the very bottom (that have played multiple games), it becomes an argument over who is really to blame.

Tomasino is in the same range as RoR (~11-12 mins per GA). Nyquist, stamkos, and Forsberg arent much better (13 mins per GA).

I think Bruno wants to make the 4th line an identity line and right now it identifies as excrement and he isnt doing anything about the drivers of it.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I did some number crunching to try and normalize the data since everyone has played a different amount of games and gotten a different amount of TOI. I cant do anything about quality of competition though.

In terms of Even strength TOI per Goal against, Evangelista, Jankowski, and Novak are doing the best all with 20+ minutes of even strength ice time per even strength goal against.

Eye test proves right with Sissons, Smith, and McCarron being at the bottom with less than 10 minutes of even strength ice time per even strength goal against.

Pars is at the very bottom but with only one game and spending that time attached to those that are at the very bottom (that have played multiple games), it becomes an argument over who is really to blame.

Tomasino is in the same range as RoR (~11-12 mins per GA). Nyquist, stamkos, and Forsberg arent much better (13 mins per GA).

I think Bruno wants to make the 4th line an identity line and right now it identifies as excrement and he isnt doing anything about the drivers of it.

Would be curious to see that factoring in QoC. No doubt the 4th line has been shipping goals against, but I suspect they also may be facing stronger opponents than, say, Tomasino.