Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season

[101st_fan]

Since putting the 68 - 47 - 36 line together the 4th line has been on the ice for one goal against in four games (the Spoiled One in CHI). It took until game #6, but Bruno finally got it somewhat right.

Offensively - Novak, Forsberg, and Nyquist are the only players with multiple ES goals for and the only four other players with 5on5 goals aren't the ones we need carrying the load (Carrier, McCarron, Schenn, Smith).

 

[herzausstein]

Yes, it's very common these days with half the league pressed right up against the Cap.

I guess it also shows that Trotz isn't going full bore on using the Johansen Cap space yet. We didn't nominally have space for both ZLH and MDG both up, at least not by Opening Day Cap numbers, but maybe as time ticks by we've accumulated enough pro-rated space for it to work. But it'd be ultra-tight even so, and hence definitely requires this kind of action.

Seems odd to paper transaction MDG and not L'Heureux if we are doing this for gaining cap. I guess it is a bit of a reward for L'Heureux who has been in the games leading up to now while MDG has been 7th dman

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Seems odd to paper transaction MDG and not L'Heureux if we are doing this for gaining cap. I guess it is a bit of a reward for L'Heureux who has been in the games leading up to now while MDG has been 7th dman

TBH, I'm not sure you can fully "paper transaction" these anymore... I think you're actually supposed to move the bodies. Or at least not make it too obvious by having them on the ice with the big team? In which case if you have practice days, maybe it's more important to have your regular guy on his lines, while it doesn't matter so much for the 7th D?

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Ha! You all are talking about him like he's the 7th D. You know that's going to be Fabbro on Thursday.

 

[herzausstein]

Ha! You all are talking about him like he's the 7th D. You know that's going to be Fabbro on Thursday.

Considering he had about 3 mins less TOI as the next lowest Dman (Schenn), you are probably correct.

 

[Kat Predator]

It was more than a paper transaction. MDG didn't go to Tampa with the team.

 

[Scoresberg]

I do wonder that when we eventually climb back into playoff contention, if this team is serious about trying to contend, we have to strengthen our defense.

One name I've wondered about is Rasmus Andersson from the Flames. Solid top-four RHD with an affordable contract that runs through next year still.

I think we would need to move Fabbro back in order to make it more balanced cap-wise. Tomasino is an obvious one, too. And then one of our 1st rounders. But even then, I don't think it's going to get done, so I think we will need to add one of our prospects. Maybe Kemell?

To NSH:

Rasmus Andersson

To CGY:

Dante Fabbro
Philip Tomasino
Joakim Kemell
2025 1st rounder (VGK or TBL)

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Marcus Pettersson is another I’d be interested in. Although he doesn’t shoot right. But still, top 4 D are going to be at a premium, and we can play Josi on the right.

And I think with our payroll structure you’d have to basically consider Andersson as a rental? He’s going to command at least the Skjei contract, maybe more, to retain? And if we’re paying that high a trade price it’d be nice if there was at least some chance the player won’t just be a rental?

 

[Armourboy]

Yeah thats a lot to give up for a guy who may be gone fairly quickly. I'm not opposed to moving those assets, its just a stiff ask for a guy you might not be able to afford.

 

[wmupreds]

I really would prefer not to go "all in" if that means giving up futures in that way.

 

[Scoresberg]

I really would prefer not to go "all in" if that means giving up futures in that way.

We're already "all-in" after the summer we just had. There's no way around it. If we're not trying to help the current team to win then what are we even doing here? Just half-assing it for fun?

Marcus Pettersson is another I’d be interested in. Although he doesn’t shoot right. But still, top 4 D are going to be at a premium, and we can play Josi on the right.

And I think with our payroll structure you’d have to basically consider Andersson as a rental? He’s going to command at least the Skjei contract, maybe more, to retain? And if we’re paying that high a trade price it’d be nice if there was at least some chance the player won’t just be a rental?

He's not a rental, his contract runs till 2026. After that, yeah, you'd assume he's going to ask for 6.5-7 mil but at that point the cap's also risen close too 100 mil as well. And it's not like we would have a logjam on the right side anytime soon.

 

[wmupreds]

We're already "all-in" after the summer we just had. There's no way around it. If we're not trying to help the current team to win then what are we even doing here? Just half-assing it for fun?

We went "all-in" in a sense, yes, but didn't give up anything but cap space to do so. I think the general sense/opinion was that it was a good move, specifically because there wasn't any mortgaging of the future to go for it in a (long shot) short window. At least that's how I felt.

 

[AintLifeGrand]

I do wonder that when we eventually climb back into playoff contention, if this team is serious about trying to contend, we have to strengthen our defense.

One name I've wondered about is Rasmus Andersson from the Flames. Solid top-four RHD with an affordable contract that runs through next year still.

I think we would need to move Fabbro back in order to make it more balanced cap-wise. Tomasino is an obvious one, too. And then one of our 1st rounders. But even then, I don't think it's going to get done, so I think we will need to add one of our prospects. Maybe Kemell?

To NSH:

Rasmus Andersson

To CGY:

Dante Fabbro
Philip Tomasino
Joakim Kemell
2025 1st rounder (VGK or TBL)

bro if we are giving up that many assets it needs to be for a #1 center

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

He's not a rental, his contract runs till 2026. After that, yeah, you'd assume he's going to ask for 6.5-7 mil but at that point the cap's also risen close too 100 mil as well. And it's not like we would have a logjam on the right side anytime soon.

Huh, well I just assumed since people are talking about Andersson so much then he must be an impending UFA. If he has an extra year left, then it flips the other way... why would Calgary trade him? They're not going to trade him. Getting a year and a half out of him would make the trade price you listed worth it for us, with one major "IF"... we just need to be able to make the 1st conditionally our lowest one. Almost certainly the Vegas one. But just want to protect that in case. Not sure the Flames would take it, however. But ok, I'm in.

Maybe we should offer to take Kadri off their hands as well, if they were going to cash in and rebuild. Kadri is old enough that Bruno would give him lots of icetime. We do have to include Novak back in that case as well. We'd also need the RyJo termination to come through and find another $1.5Mish to shave, but I think we can find that, shortened roster by 2 players worst case.

 

[Kat Predator]

We're already "all-in" after the summer we just had. There's no way around it. If we're not trying to help the current team to win then what are we even doing here? Just half-assing it for fun?

He's not a rental, his contract runs till 2026. After that, yeah, you'd assume he's going to ask for 6.5-7 mil but at that point the cap's also risen close too 100 mil as well. And it's not like we would have a logjam on the right side anytime soon.

Yeah, we've already gone all-in. I think we'd very likely have used the cap space spent on Turris, Johansen, and Duchene as well if we could have.

As far as the "assets" argument, it seems like all of these young players, prospects, and picks are largely irrelevant to us. We don't use the majority of young players, there is nowhere for the prospects to go (ask Askarov), and the picks are just more of the same. Their value, given our direction and coaching, is to be used to trade away for veterans that fit the system and can take us from a team of big contracts to a team that is a legit cup contender and in a very short timeframe. Otherwise they can be seen as ammo to be used to move up in the draft to get the savior centre.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Just taking that deal at face value it's really just giving up Kemell and a 1st since we Tomasino and Fabbro are just healthy scratches at this point. We've got two other 1sts so I don't think giving up one is that huge of a deal. I still think Kemell has a lot of potential so there is risk we might be giving up someone who turns into a 30 goal scorer but I given that he is fairly one dimensional and our current overabundance of wingers I do think he will have a hard time breaking into the lineup. I haven't watched Andersson enough to have a strong opinion on him but he does look like he'd fill a big hole in our lineup. The contract line up nicely with our new "window" as well. All that to say I wouldn't necessarily hate the move but I also think this team needs to prove its good enough to warrant leveraging some of our assets before I'd make it.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I wonder how easily we'll be able to integrate very many of our prospect wingers in the next few years? I mean, FF9/Stamkos/March aren't going anywhere. There is going to be 1 opening in the top-6 over the next 4 seasons, and Evangelista is already around.

I mean, you want a top-9 or top-12 too... but how effective is a Kemell or Wood going to be if you put them on lesser lines? I'm not against the concept of trading some of our top guys. I think we definitely need to keep closer eyes on Svechkov/Surin/Edstrom as centers, and of course Molendyk on D. I would make the C and D more "untouchable" from our current prospect list. But wingers are fair game...

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

We went "all-in" in a sense, yes, but didn't give up anything but cap space to do so. I think the general sense/opinion was that it was a good move, specifically because there wasn't any mortgaging of the future to go for it in a (long shot) short window. At least that's how I felt.

Agreed. And while this is an "all-in" roster in one sense, it's complete dependence on older players that will start breaking down (and lack of depth on D and in goal) also gives us pretty high bust/rebuild potential.

 

[Predsanddead24]

I wonder how easily we'll be able to integrate very many of our prospect wingers in the next few years? I mean, FF9/Stamkos/March aren't going anywhere. There is going to be 1 opening in the top-6 over the next 4 seasons, and Evangelista is already around.

I mean, you want a top-9 or top-12 too... but how effective is a Kemell or Wood going to be if you put them on lesser lines? I'm not against the concept of trading some of our top guys. I think we definitely need to keep closer eyes on Svechkov/Surin/Edstrom as centers, and of course Molendyk on D. I would make the C and D more "untouchable" from our current prospect list. But wingers are fair game...

L'Hereux may end up being pigeonholed as a bottom sixer but I still think he has the upside to compete for a top six role as well. Like I said though with how the team has started the season I think they need to prove themselves worthy of spending some assets, but if they turn it around I'm not wholly opposed to it. Especially if we can identify guys that we know are going to not fit the system and not get the opportunities like Tomasino and Parsinnen. I'd much rather get something for a prospect now versus watch them wither on the vine.

 

[Scoresberg]

I agree with the sentiment here that the wingers we have in the pipeline might as well be trade fodder.. and that package I presented has no pieces that would be difficult to part ways with. Which also leads me to believe that package would still be too weak compared to the ones that would be offered if Anderson really did hit the market.

That being said, I don't know if trading Svechkov instead of Kemell would be the worst thing in the world.

 

[wmupreds]

I agree with the sentiment here that the wingers we have in the pipeline might as well be trade fodder.. and that package I presented has no pieces that would be difficult to part ways with. Which also leads me to believe that package would still be too weak compared to the ones that would be offered if Anderson really did hit the market.

That being said, I don't know if trading Svechkov instead of Kemell would be the worst thing in the world.

I don't have a great sense of their relative trade value, but I would rather give up Svechkov. I think this team has a greater need for scoring punch than for well-rounded two-way players and I think Kemell's ceiling is higher there. Concern of whether he gets a legitimate shot from the coaches is of course real.

 

[herzausstein]

I do think that the lack of a proper top line center has created a large cascading issue. Every center we have is being forced up a line. If you could push RoR and Sissons down to 2 and 3/4C, it would solve other issues with the forward combinations.

 

[beardawg]

I wonder what kind of ransom NYI would want for Nelson and Dobson?

 

[glenngineer]

Please stop with the top 6 bottom 6 stuff. Our top 9 needs to be more of a top 6 in terms of quality players. Without high end talent, we need more balance offensively. Outside of Fil, we don't have anyone sniffing a PPG. Go out and find 8 other guys that can contribute 50-60 points a year and then we might become something but if we're going to try and go the traditional top/bottom 6 route, we need better players at the top to make it work.

 

[herzausstein]

I think a real 1C would do wonders. Top 9 becomes a mix and match with 1C, Forsberg, RoR, Nyquist, Marchessault, Stamkos, Novak, Evangalista, Sissons. Knocks out Jankowski and puts a good offensive C with Stamkos and puts sissons to the 3rd line where he is more suited (or 4th line if you want to strengthen it)