Confirmed with Link: Nashville Predators buying out Matt Duchene

[Viqsi]

The jets fans have often posted about their "toxic" locker room, wonder if Wheeler was part of that.

He was the core cause, with Scheifele backing him up. Stay far far far away.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Stillman (I know everyone hates him) read an exchange on the radio from someone inside the organization basically saying they don't want Duchene around this young core, he can fake the mentorship role to a certain degree, but they don't trust him in that role.

Worth every penny if this is reality.

 

[NoNecksCurse]

Stillman (I know everyone hates him) read an exchange on the radio from someone inside the organization basically saying they don't want Duchene around this young core, he can fake the mentorship role to a certain degree, but they don't trust him in that role.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

First thing I thought of. It doesn't feel like a stretch at all.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Stillman (I know everyone hates him) read an exchange on the radio from someone inside the organization basically saying they don't want Duchene around this young core, he can fake the mentorship role to a certain degree, but they don't trust him in that role.

I would have imagined that is kind of ALL the Country Club guys. They aren't "Bad Apples" in any extravagant or overt way. They all seem like nice enough guys. They kind of go through the motions of doing the right things. But that's only because they feel like they're supposed to. So it's not really that sincere (or effective?).

I don't get any different sense for Forsberg or Josi, for that matter. Just the Preds are kind of more stuck with them no matter what, so now they've liquidated the rest of the CC, they are down to hoping those last two core guys really get the message and get on board with this new plan also.

 

[TK]

Figured It out, Cody Glass league max extension incoming.

 

[LCPreds]

Stillman (I know everyone hates him) read an exchange on the radio from someone inside the organization basically saying they don't want Duchene around this young core, he can fake the mentorship role to a certain degree, but they don't trust him in that role.

Stillman actually breaking hockey news now? Sounds more like a guess considering the source. (Yeah I strongly dislike him)

 

[Armourboy]

Lets be honest, whatever the reason was Trotz didn't want Duchene and Joey on this team and we as fans have to accept that. We probably won't ever know the details but we for now just gotta trust it was for good sound reasoning.

Now if it all implodes and we are sitting here with no direction 3-4 years down the road Trotz will get the boot just like he did the players, so it swings both ways.

Whatever he is doing he had to sell it to the owners. They aren't going to pay for this mess without a clear out line of what he is trying to do and why. It's still mostly the same people, they didn't suddenly start letting their GM blow money without knowing why.

Stillman actually breaking hockey news now? Sounds more like a guess considering the source. (Yeah I strongly dislike him)

I heard him on the way home today and he's been having interviews with Trotz and stuff so his information has actually been decent. Now normally his thoughts are complete and total garbage because he doesn't have a flipping clue, but at least in the last couple of days a lot of it has come from Trotz himself.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Whatever he is doing he had to sell it to the owners. They aren't going to pay for this mess without a clear out line of what he is trying to do and why. It's still mostly the same people, they didn't suddenly start letting their GM blow money without knowing why.

I find it interesting that his approach (so far) is so different than Poile's, but... we don't have the New Owner yet. Retention and buyouts seemed a bit anathema for Poile. But Trotz doesn't have that hangup. And if we ever wondered how much of that was Owners and how much GM... I guess now we have the answer?

 

[Armourboy]

I find it interesting that his approach (so far) is so different than Poile's, but... we don't have the New Owner yet. Retention and buyouts seemed a bit anathema for Poile. But Trotz doesn't have that hangup. And if we ever wondered how much of that was Owners and how much GM... I guess now we have the answer?

Yeah we always assumed it was the owners not wanting to waste money but now it kind of looks like it may have been more Poile just not wanting to spend their money. If this has been the case the whole time he has hamstrung himself and the organization for no reason.

 

[Edgework]

I hate to bring up handedness again, but tomasino, evangelista, and kemell all play on the right. Could this be nothing more than: they want to get a real look at all three?

 

[token grinder]

*dusts off keyboard*

This is fine. Duchene had cleaned his act up from Ottawa, but isn't the vet these kids will need around. Expect a boring 4th liner to be added in FA that will block a shot with his face in the preseason. Thats the vet the kids need. How to be a pro. On and more importantly, off the ice. Trotz doesn't screw around with that. History with the idiot russians show us that.

And the big cap hit and money is fine. Young players playing equals low salary. When it comes time to pay a couple of them, that money will be off the books.

Johansen, as far as the kids go was a big addition by subtraction.

Make no bones about it. Trotz has a vision. I don't even know if the preds will take a step back this season.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I hate to bring up handedness again, but tomasino, evangelista, and kemell all play on the right. Could this be nothing more than: they want to get a real look at all three?

Nope. Duchene shoots L and plays "all over the ice". If Kemell was going to make the team, you could put Duchene anywhere and his game doesn't change. This was just about "culture".

 

[Roman Yoshi]

So my source surfaced again. Here is what I was told.

The Preds are making a big push to get JT Compher. I know Friedman also said that on his pod, so that doesn't surprise me. Believes it will be a 1-3 year deal north of $4M but under $6M. Hinted at AAV may be higher to ensure we get him but term will be low. Believes he will be a good mentor for the group and step into a defensive role with Sissons so the kids can play in the offensive zone.

They also said they believe Debrincat is a Pred and that the assets we are giving up are less than we expect. Does not expect Saros to be going the other way.

I similarly heard there was some concern about Duchene being part of a rebuild: see his time on Colorado and the impact it would have on the locker room and the kids.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Was driving all day so way late to the party. Definitely surprising but I can also understand it. We all watched the young guys perform just as well as our big dollar guys did at the end of the year. Makes sense to want to give these young guys the chance to make their own new core. We’ll see if they’re up to the task I suppose. I know some people don’t like the throw them to the wolves development style but personally I don’t mind it. Sheltering them behind vets just delays the inevitable in my opinion.

So my source surfaced again. Here is what I was told.

The Preds are making a big push to get JT Compher. I know Friedman also said that on his pod, so that doesn't surprise me. Believes it will be a 1-3 year deal north of $4M but under $6M.

They also said they believe Debrincate is a Pred and that the assets we are giving up are less than we expect. Does not expect Saros to be going the other way.

I similarly heard there was some concern about Duchene being part of a rebuild: see his time on Colorado and the impact it would have on the locker room and the kids.

I’d be ok with Compher at that term and ultimately it doesn’t matter but that seems like a lot for him. Count me in for Debrincat if the price is right too.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

So my source surfaced again. Here is what I was told.

The Preds are making a big push to get JT Compher. I know Friedman also said that on his pod, so that doesn't surprise me. Believes it will be a 1-3 year deal north of $4M but under $6M. Hinted at AAV may be higher to ensure we get him but term will be low. Believes he will be a good mentor for the group and step into a defensive role with Sissons so the kids can play in the offensive zone.

They also said they believe Debrincate is a Pred and that the assets we are giving up are less than we expect. Does not expect Saros to be going the other way.

I similarly heard there was some concern about Duchene being part of a rebuild: see his time on Colorado and the impact it would have on the locker room and the kids.

Those moves seem reasonable. We'll get laughed at on Compher after just eating as much money as we did on Duchene/Johansen, but...going into the season with only one lock of an NHL center was not going to be a recipe for success (even if we're just talking about the success of developing the kids). He's been a good soldier in Colorado so as long as the term is relatively short, should be ok. Debrincat, I'm not a huge fan of the move, but if he comes cheap enough, so be it.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

So my source surfaced again. Here is what I was told.

The Preds are making a big push to get JT Compher. I know Friedman also said that on his pod, so that doesn't surprise me. Believes it will be a 1-3 year deal north of $4M but under $6M. Hinted at AAV may be higher to ensure we get him but term will be low. Believes he will be a good mentor for the group and step into a defensive role with Sissons so the kids can play in the offensive zone.

They also said they believe Debrincate is a Pred and that the assets we are giving up are less than we expect. Does not expect Saros to be going the other way.

I similarly heard there was some concern about Duchene being part of a rebuild: see his time on Colorado and the impact it would have on the locker room and the kids.

Compher seems very "meh" to me. I would take him for 1 year to kind of tide us over. If we give him anything north of $4M, though, that's stupid. He's mediocre. We don't need a C that badly.

DeBrincat for something minor would be fine, now that we don't have Duchene anymore, but Ottawa would have to be kind of stupid if they didn't just take Duchene back for him? Duchene and DeBrincat are pretty equivalent, aside from DeBrincat being younger. Ottawa should have just taken Duchene for 3 years if they aren't getting something more significant.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

I hate to bring up handedness again, but tomasino, evangelista, and kemell all play on the right. Could this be nothing more than: they want to get a real look at all three?

Nope. Duchene shoots L and plays "all over the ice". If Kemell was going to make the team, you could put Duchene anywhere and his game doesn't change. This was just about "culture".

In the modern NHL handedness isn't nearly as important to forwards, many of whom played as centers growing up because they were the best on the team. And, a guy like Kemell wants to shade over to the left side to rip that 1T. I personally put very little concern toward that.

Defense is a different story.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

In the modern NHL handedness isn't nearly as important to forwards, many of whom played as centers growing up because they were the best on the team. And, a guy like Kemell wants to shade over to the left side to rip that 1T. I personally put very little concern toward that.

Defense is a different story.

Neither of those guys is on the ice for any iota of defensive contribution. (alas?) Well, it is what it is. Duchene wants to skate... wherever he thinks (often wrongly) there is an opening. Kemell just wants to find the cushion that he can shoot from. Position hardly matters for either of them.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Neither of those guys is on the ice for any iota of defensive contribution. (alas?) Well, it is what it is. Duchene wants to skate... wherever he thinks (often wrongly) there is an opening. Kemell just wants to find the cushion that he can shoot from. Position hardly matters for either of them.

Agreed, I meant handedness is important to defensmen.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Agreed, I meant handedness is important to defensmen.

As mostly a R-shot RW, I will say I don't even really care which side I play on... it's more the handedness of my C. Which way is easier for him to pass to? Aside from that, the only other consideration is where is the bench... I don't want to be caught on a long shift.

 

[PredsV82]

*dusts off keyboard*

This is fine. Duchene had cleaned his act up from Ottawa, but isn't the vet these kids will need around. Expect a boring 4th liner to be added in FA that will block a shot with his face in the preseason. Thats the vet the kids need. How to be a pro. On and more importantly, off the ice. Trotz doesn't screw around with that. History with the idiot russians show us that.

And the big cap hit and money is fine. Young players playing equals low salary. When it comes time to pay a couple of them, that money will be off the books.

Johansen, as far as the kids go was a big addition by subtraction.

Make no bones about it. Trotz has a vision. I don't even know if the preds will take a step back this season.

Good to hear from you bro! (Holy shit it's been two years )


And speaking of Russians, how old is Alex now??

 

[nine_inch_fang]

As mostly a R-shot RW, I will say I don't even really care which side I play on... it's more the handedness of my C. Which way is easier for him to pass to? Aside from that, the only other consideration is where is the bench... I don't want to be caught on a long shift.

That last part is key in beer league hockey.

 

[herzausstein]

Does debrincat just want a couple year deal as well? If we seriously dont want to do long term deals then a rfa looking for a fat contract doesnt seem like a great idea. Though maybe since he s just 25 he would be good with a 4-5 year contract to make sure he isnt too old when his next one comes up.

With duchene gone, my main objection to getting him is gone (cuts off space for the young guys). I guess if he doesnt cost a large sum, then im ok with it

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Another name my source has heard is Anthony Duclair and Brock Nelson.