Confirmed with Link: Muzzin to Toronto for 2019 1st, Grundstrom, and rights to Durzi

[deaderhead28]

Maybe it's the system Babcock runs.

 

[Cor]

Don’t listen to @The Winter Soldier

Muzzin has been good. A couple rough games, but overall he’s played well. He’s also playing with Zaitsev which is a tough task and he’s getting the best results out of Zaitsev analytically, since Zaitsev has entered the NHL. He’s also not afraid to be physical, which we needed.

Also, he’s sorta saving us, because both Dermott and Gardiner are week-to-week (I’ve heard Gardiner could be done for the year) and if we didn’t have Muzzin, we’d be royally f***ed.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Don’t listen to @The Winter Soldier

Muzzin has been good. A couple rough games, but overall he’s played well. He’s also playing with Zaitsev which is a tough task and he’s getting the best results out of Zaitsev analytically, since Zaitsev has entered the NHL. He’s also not afraid to be physical, which we needed.

Also, he’s sorta saving us, because both Dermott and Gardiner are week-to-week (I’ve heard Gardiner could be done for the year) and if we didn’t have Muzzin, we’d be royally ****ed.

Then listen to Ray Ferraro. He is the on ice analyst for many Leafs games.
Ray Ferraro on Jake Muzzin's struggles
From 6:30 and om.
https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-10...lers-chances-of-making-the-playoffs-1.1270171

 

[Cor]

Then listen to Ray Ferraro. He is the on ice analyst for many Leafs games.
Ray Ferraro on Jake Muzzin's struggles
From 6:30 and om.
https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-10...lers-chances-of-making-the-playoffs-1.1270171

This would be valid if my argument was “no one thinks Muzzin has struggled”

My argument is “people who think Muzzin has struggled are wrong”

Luckily the results generated side with me, so individual opinions with no statistical evidence means nothing

Also, many is a stretch. He does roughly 1/4 of the games. He covers more non-Leaf games than actual Leaf games, but that’s all besides the point anyway

 

[The Winter Soldier]

This would be valid if my argument was “no one thinks Muzzin has struggled”

My argument is “people who think Muzzin has struggled are wrong”

Luckily the results generated side with me, so individual opinions with no statistical evidence means nothing

Also, many is a stretch. He does roughly 1/4 of the games. He covers more non-Leaf games than actual Leaf games, but that’s all besides the point anyway

Well Ferraro who is an on ice analyst, and a darn good one thinks Muzzin has struggled. For the price the Leafs paid for him. A first rd pick, what is looking like a great prospect in Grundstrom, and Durzi, you should have a player playing more then Hainsey. But he is having a rough time of it. Ferraro says he looks slow, and he is overthinking it. Maybe the Leafs system doesn't suit his style like LA's. 3 Muzzin mistake Ferraro has commented on, when he was on ice. All recent games.
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Bad pinch

Brain Cramp

 

[johnjm22]

I haven't watched many Leaf games, but Muzzin was very good for us this year before being traded.

 

[Cor]

Well Ferraro who is an on ice analyst, and a darn good one thinks Muzzin has struggled. For the price the Leafs paid for him. A first rd pick, what is looking like a great prospect in Grundstrom, and Durzi, you should have a player playing more then Hainsey. But he is having a rough time of it. Ferraro says he looks slow, and he is overthinking it. Maybe the Leafs system doesn't suit his style like LA's. 3 Muzzin mistake Ferraro has commented on, when he was on ice. All recent games.
Bad Read

Bad pinch

Brain Cramp

Yes, Muzzin has not been perfect, no one is. However, his positives have far outweighed his negatives.

Cherry Picking a few plays doesn't change that when you look at his overall play.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Yes, Muzzin has not been perfect, no one is. However, his positives have far outweighed his negatives.

Cherry Picking a few plays doesn't change that when you look at his overall play.

The plays were all from this week. And you decided to make it about me rather than discuss rationally that Muzzzin has struggled. Now that Ferraro has confirmed what I posted, and the clips as well. You concede Muzzin is not perfect. So maybe Kings fans should indeed listen to me, since I watch the games as well as Ferraro does.

The Leafs gave up a very good package to get him. A terrific prospect in Grundstrom who is looking great at the AHL, a first rd pick, and Durzi. No one is saying Muzzin does not have room for improvement, but glossing it over as you are by saying the Leafs would be in trouble without him, when infact Andersen has covered up the Leafs D mistakes, many that are due to the fact the Muzzin has struggled to find his stride with the Leafs is a disingenuous argument.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

The plays were all from this week. And you decided to make it about me rather than discuss rationally that Muzzzin has struggled. Now that Ferraro has confirmed what I posted, and the clips as well. You concede Muzzin is not perfect. So maybe Kings fans should indeed listen to me, since I watch the games as well as Ferraro does.

The Leafs gave up a very good package to get him. A terrific prospect in Grundstrom who is looking great at the AHL, a first rd pick, and Durzi. No one is saying Muzzin does not have room for improvement, but glossing it over as you are by saying the Leafs would be in trouble without him, when infact Andersen has covered up the Leafs D mistakes, many that are due to the fact the Muzzin has struggled to find his stride with the Leafs is a disingenuous argument.

That last goal is on the last guy that Czikas beat...he was weak and Czikas just took it from him...watch a King game...be thankful you don't have Phaneuf, Forbort, Carter and Toffoli. All 3 of those plays you posted - would have been their best plays of a game.

 

[Cor]

The plays were all from this week. And you decided to make it about me rather than discuss rationally that Muzzzin has struggled. Now that Ferraro has confirmed what I posted, and the clips as well. You concede Muzzin is not perfect. So maybe Kings fans should indeed listen to me, since I watch the games as well as Ferraro does.

The Leafs gave up a very good package to get him. A terrific prospect in Grundstrom who is looking great at the AHL, a first rd pick, and Durzi. No one is saying Muzzin does not have room for improvement, but glossing it over as you are by saying the Leafs would be in trouble without him, when infact Andersen has covered up the Leafs D mistakes, many that are due to the fact the Muzzin has struggled to find his stride with the Leafs is a disingenuous argument.

Lmao, When did I make it about you. Because I told people to not listen to you, because you are wrong? Not that I'm surprised at the smugness.

Also, just because Ferraro has a similar opinion, doesn't mean anything is confirmed lmao

Look at the Analytics bud, information is knowledge, and knowledge is power. Muzzin is getting strong results. Some bad games, but those happen. Also, love how I "concede" Muzzin isn't perfect, so people should listen to you that he's been bad. As if anything short of perfect is bad

Also, the Leafs would be in a lot of trouble without Muzzin. Their second pairing without Muzzin would be Marincin-Zaitsev. When you have Muzzin pushing Marincin down PLUS getting results from Zaitsev, (and not just goals for vs goals against, I'm looking at things like xGF vs xGA which is essentially shots against with shot quality worked in.

However, if you want to look at a few plays (and one of which is barely on him) and base your thoughts on a vacuum, go ahead, but it's wrong.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Speaking of the trade....Carl Grundstrom recalled and will debut tonight...on a line with fellow Swede Adrian Kempe and with Toffoli.

Jon Rosen✔@lakingsinsider
#LAKings officially recall Carl Grundstrom from AHL-Ontario. Expected to make NHL debut tonight in Arizona. Opening at yesterday's practice was on a line with Kempe, Toffoli. Toffoli can't skate with them, or win any puck battles, or make plays...so it's up to Kempe to get him the puck.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Like most shiny new toys on the leafs, the worry is that they peak early. Muzzin started off on the top pair. Doesn’t work, ok, so he moves around. Now he’s partnered with a depth guy. Latest is his highlight package from this week of top defensive mistakes in your own zone. The trend is bad, other than his agent and mom, no one with a platform is pumping Jakes tires anymore.

 

[King'sPawn]

Nothing about those bad plays by Muzzin is surprising. Just like reports of him playing strong games isn't surprising, either.

Muzzin was very polarizing where people focused on his bad plays, and he had stupid nicknames like "Muffin" or "Muzzkill" in his time here. But he also shut up those same people when he played strongly.

You won't like Muzzin if you expect mistake-free hockey. You will like him if you can accept the bad with the good.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

That last goal is on the last guy that Czikas beat...he was weak and Czikas just took it from him...watch a King game...be thankful you don't have Phaneuf, Forbort, Carter and Toffoli. All 3 of those plays you posted - would have been their best plays of a game.

There is a replay that is longer. When it happened Ferraro pointed out correctly that Muzzin had a mental laspe. This video is from the Isles feed. Regardless the point is, and should be Muzzin has not truly distinguished himself since the deal. Which doesn't mean he won't. But people claiming he has, simply are not correct.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Nothing about those bad plays by Muzzin is surprising. Just like reports of him playing strong games isn't surprising, either.

Muzzin was very polarizing where people focused on his bad plays, and he had stupid nicknames like "Muffin" or "Muzzkill" in his time here. But he also shut up those same people when he played strongly.

You won't like Muzzin if you expect mistake-free hockey. You will like him if you can accept the bad with the good.

Good post. Thanks!

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Muzzin has been great, and has injected a need that the Leafs sorely lacked. Anyone suggesting otherwise really hasn't watched him play consistently, or is completely agenda driven.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Speaking of the trade....Carl Grundstrom recalled and will debut tonight...on a line with fellow Swede Adrian Kempe and with Toffoli.

Jon Rosen✔@lakingsinsider
#LAKings officially recall Carl Grundstrom from AHL-Ontario. Expected to make NHL debut tonight in Arizona. Opening at yesterday's practice was on a line with Kempe, Toffoli. Toffoli can't skate with them, or win any puck battles, or make plays...so it's up to Kempe to get him the puck.

It wil be interesting to see how Grundstrom and Kempe play off each other. Has the makings of 2/3 rds of a solid line. When the Kings drafted Kempe I thought it was an astoute pick. Getting Grundstrom in the Muzzin trade is looking like a good move by the Kings. Plays a heavy game with some skill.

 

[Schmooley]

Muzzins game is not perfect. Its like hes responsible for one goal for and one goal against every game. His good and bad attributes kinda cancel each other and you have a solid 2nd pair defender. Ive never loved his game to be honest especially earlier in his career. I have to admit he played well for the kings this year though, and in my opinion looked better than golden boy doughty. Everyone rides his jock around here. Im of the opinion he should have gone to toronto before he resigned instead of muzzin though no one here will agree.

 

[Butch 19]

Well Ferraro who is an on ice analyst, and a darn good one thinks Muzzin has struggled. For the price the Leafs paid for him. A first rd pick, what is looking like a great prospect in Grundstrom, and Durzi, you should have a player playing more then Hainsey. But he is having a rough time of it. Ferraro says he looks slow, and he is overthinking it. Maybe the Leafs system doesn't suit his style like LA's. 3 Muzzin mistake Ferraro has commented on, when he was on ice. All recent games.
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oh please. LOL. Ferraro sucks!!

And 2/3 of goals in video should have been stopped by competent goaltending,

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

oh please. LOL. Ferraro sucks!!

And 2/3 of goals in video should have been stopped by competent goaltending,

You mean a goalie who can poke check?

 

[joe dirte]

Yes, Muzzin has not been perfect, no one is. However, his positives have far outweighed his negatives.

Cherry Picking a few plays doesn't change that when you look at his overall play.

Muzzin has been a fantastic pickup by the leafs. The leafs did not need an elite dman, they needed someone to round out their top 4. They already have rielly, who will most likely be a norris finalist.

Muzzin has been a fantastic contributor to the leafs. Hes been a real complement to their exciting, winning brand of hockey.

 

[Butch 19]

You mean a goalie who can poke check?

this is "usually" a correct response to poor goaltending, but not in these cases..

Keep trying though - you'll get it eventually.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Lmao, When did I make it about you. Because I told people to not listen to you, because you are wrong? Not that I'm surprised at the smugness.

Also, just because Ferraro has a similar opinion, doesn't mean anything is confirmed lmao

Look at the Analytics bud, information is knowledge, and knowledge is power. Muzzin is getting strong results. Some bad games, but those happen. Also, love how I "concede" Muzzin isn't perfect, so people should listen to you that he's been bad. As if anything short of perfect is bad

Also, the Leafs would be in a lot of trouble without Muzzin. Their second pairing without Muzzin would be Marincin-Zaitsev. When you have Muzzin pushing Marincin down PLUS getting results from Zaitsev, (and not just goals for vs goals against, I'm looking at things like xGF vs xGA which is essentially shots against with shot quality worked in.

However, if you want to look at a few plays (and one of which is barely on him) and base your thoughts on a vacuum, go ahead, but it's wrong.

The analytics say Muzzin has been on a decline for some time now. It can be argued Kings traded him at the right time. Again you don't have to listen to me. But Ferraro and McCurdy can be listened to.

 

[kovacro]

Muzzin has had a few gaffes, notably in the Islander game but the whole team got taken to the wood shed that night.

He’s been fine since going to Toronto. Certainly has brought a physical element to their blueline which they needed.

He’s also helped out their special teams.

 

[Cook24]

Haha raided by leafs fans jeeze